LBPop
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Post by LBPop on Feb 11, 2005 16:28:07 GMT -5
You know, the more I'm reading the more it seems that Georgetown has had a very successful recruiting season. Of course, all these kids sound good on paper--that's why they were recruited.
Quite naturally I am totally biased toward last year's class, but I'm sensing that The Hoyas are improving their overall talent level. I think that I will go now and clean off these rose colored glasses that I always seem to be wearing. ;D
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Post by Frank Black on Feb 14, 2005 21:16:31 GMT -5
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Post by showcase on Feb 16, 2005 9:45:12 GMT -5
Rivals puts the Hoyas' incoming recruiting class at 121st, thanks to Hutton and Tomlinson, two two-star signees. GU finished right behind Villanova and UMass. I didn't see and of the Patriot programs listed above us...
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Post by reformation on Feb 16, 2005 11:14:16 GMT -5
How do the ivies fare in these types of rankings
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Post by showcase on Feb 16, 2005 13:43:52 GMT -5
Well, there were no Ivies ranked this year, and by and large, I don't think they tend to go after guys who appear on a recruiting service's radar. I think the Ivies' recruiting pool is pretty self-selecting, in that they know they are Ivy caliber academically and athletically.
That said, Tomlinson's page on Rivals indicated he drew interest from Harvard and Brown.
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Post by thebin on Feb 16, 2005 18:52:11 GMT -5
Wait showcase- 121st in all of division 1? I have a tough time believing the Ivies, a few of them anyway, are not pulling in better recruiting classes than we are still. I also don't see any reason to think these services stopped ranking the players who go to Penn, etc, as surely they did in my day. Are we really ranked ahead of Penn on that service's recruiting class? Because I promise you Ivy league players are heavily recruited and people like Rivals don't ignore them as long as they are covering the Patriot League.
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Post by showcase on Feb 16, 2005 19:14:45 GMT -5
I think you don't appreciate the Rivals rankings posted above. It's not a comprehensive thing - they didn't undertake an analysis of each school's class. Heck, there's only like five teams ranked under GU. Plus, GU's total of signees is two, so they're clearly not picking up the majority of recruits at this level.
So here's the facts as I understand them: Yes, it's theoretically all of D-I. As noted above, however, its based solely on the kids in the Rivals system. None of the Ivies or Patriot league schools were listed other than GU, either because they didn't draw any kids listed with Rivals or because Rivals hasn't updated those kids' profiles.
I don't know how kids get into the Rivals's system: it's probably a combination of scouting, participating in camps, and maybe self-reporting. It's most definitely NOT all of the kids who actually end up signing.
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Post by thebin on Feb 16, 2005 22:24:48 GMT -5
So its really a IA ranking and a couple of IAA programs slip into there if they happen to bag two presumed IA level recruits or something? Maybe in that way we have a "better" recruiting class than say a Penn because we have two IA guys, but its possible they still have on the whole a much better class? I am just trying to figure this out, because its hard to believe a bottom tier PL program with no stadium could out-recruit all the Ivy programs. How many IAA programs are on the list total?
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 17, 2005 0:01:19 GMT -5
Rivals doesn't really make an effort to rank players who aren't HIGH major players, let alone non-D-IA. It's a nice sign that one or two of our guys have stars, but I think it's more an accident than anything else. Going to the right camp, or having a coach/father who's aggressive about promoting your name makes the difference.
Our class could be great, but our Rivals (or another major scouting service) ranking doesn't really mean much of anything. I mean, only two of our 15-20 signees are even listed by Rivals, and that's pretty typical for the Patriot/Ivy teams.
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Post by showcase on Feb 17, 2005 9:50:55 GMT -5
Agreed. This is even more apparent if you go check out football recruiting at TheInsiders, as non D-IA schools aren't even listed. Clicking on Hutton and Tomlinson's profiles reveals that Georgetown isn't even listed as a school of interest.
I was pleased that the Hoyas netted some kids that people evaluated as possible D-IA prospects, and it is literally true that the Hoyas' incoming class was "ranked" at 121st according to Rivals, but I offered it up more as a tongue in cheek kind of thing. As was the case last year, popping up at the end of the list of ranked schools doesn't mean all that much, but it makes for nice spin fodder/'bragging' rights (e.g.: "The Hoyas last two recruiting classes were ranked in the top 150 by Rivals...").
As with the recruit rankings themselves, this "class ranking" from Rivals needs to be taken with a large grain of salt.
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Post by LBPop on Feb 17, 2005 17:47:40 GMT -5
I agree with much of what has been said about the Rivals rankings. If they don't rate a kid with at least one star, that player does not count as they rank a recruiting class. When comparing top I-A programs, their rankings have some value, however at I-AA it is virtually meaningless. As some have implied, Georgetown could recruit two players that are ranked with Rivals and 20 more kids who have never played football (of course, I'm being facetious). As I understand it, their class would still rank as high as it has.
The real test is how many kids Georgetown got that were highly recruited by other I-AA programs. On that basis, Gunner Coil, the QB, might have been their biggest "get" this year.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 18, 2005 17:10:23 GMT -5
The real test is how many kids Georgetown got that were highly recruited by other I-AA programs. On that basis, Gunner Coil, the QB, might have been their biggest "get" this year. He definately has one of the best names. I mean, what could possibly be better than having a QB named Gunner? "And Gunner guns the ball between two defenders for the TOUCHDOWN!" "Wow, Gunner's got a GUN" I think that if he plays, I'll spend the entire game making jokes like that ;D
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Post by IAARob on Feb 19, 2005 1:19:57 GMT -5
The Rivals team rankings are not at all updated. For a more accurate, but still outdated, look at rankings according to Rivals (for what they're worth): 1. Go to rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp. That should bring you to Alabama's 2006 list. 2. Click the year 2005. 3. Click on the dropdown box that says Alabama and you can look at commitments for all D-I schools. You will note that most of the Ivies are listed. Princeton has seven players listed, five of which are two stars. As someone mentioned, Rivals is a I-A recruiting site and you can't get an accurate picture of how well a I-AA did, but it's something to talk about.
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Post by IAARob on Feb 19, 2005 1:24:32 GMT -5
For a good example of why you can't put too much emphasis on Rivals, check Eastern Illinois' list on there. For I-AA, your best bet is probably www.showingblitz.com.
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Post by FormerHoya on Mar 23, 2005 10:11:28 GMT -5
Anyone know anything about the new kid listed on the front football page?
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Post by 7out on Mar 23, 2005 14:31:06 GMT -5
does anyone know where the complete list of recruits can be found? I know they initially listed 21 or so on showingblitz.com but the coaches must have added to that
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