list the best starting 5 based on talent alone

[mrsixer123]

Pg-chris

Sg- jwall

C- roy

Pf- summers

Sf-freeman

[jacko]

Haha...

Define "talent"

[hoyastrong]

Text messaging abilities?

haha I'm sorry I couldn't resist

[mrsixer123]

jacko said:

Haha...

Define "talent"

The player with more talent than a fellow teammate even if he is new to the team

[mrsixer123]

hoyastrong said:

Text messaging abilities?

haha I'm sorry I couldn't resist

Was jeff a top 5 pick? If you can read, I clearly stated the entire time the only way jeff would leave was IF he was a top 5 pick

[blueandgray]

mrsixer123 said:

Pg-chris

Sg- jwall

C- roy

Pf- summers

Sf-freeman

I will base my list taking into account both position and current ability:

pg - wallace
sg - freeman
sf - summers - (i think he is a far better in the 3 slot than the 4.)
pf - ewing
c - hibbert

[mrsixer123]

blueandgray said:

mrsixer123 said:

Pg-chris

Sg- jwall

C- roy

Pf- summers

Sf-freeman

I will base my list taking into account both position and current ability:

pg - wallace
sg - freeman
sf - summers - (i think he is a far better in the 3 slot than the 4.)
pf - ewing
c - hibbert

i agree summers is better suited at the 3. i am looking on opinions based on who would be in the started 5 if we based it on pure talent. yes, we may give up some rebounds with freeman and summers at the 3 and 4, but we do have a 7 footer

[Massholya]

mrsixer123 said:

blueandgray said:

I will base my list taking into account both position and current ability:

pg - wallace
sg - freeman
sf - summers - (i think he is a far better in the 3 slot than the 4.)
pf - ewing
c - hibbert

i agree summers is better suited at the 3. i am looking on opinions based on who would be in the started 5 if we based it on pure talent. yes, we may give up some rebounds with freeman and summers at the 3 and 4, but we do have a 7 footer

Perhaps you should rename the thread "List who you think are the 5 most talented players"? Just a suggestion since positions seem to be irrelevant to the discussion as you have posed it.

[mrsixer123]

massholya said:

mrsixer123 said:

i agree summers is better suited at the 3. i am looking on opinions based on who would be in the started 5 if we based it on pure talent. yes, we may give up some rebounds with freeman and summers at the 3 and 4, but we do have a 7 footer

Perhaps you should rename the thread "List who you think are the 5 most talented players"? Just a suggestion since positions seem to be irrelevant to the discussion as you have posed it.

summers is listed at 6'8, 241 via guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/summers_dajuan00.html

if needed he could/should be able to play the 4 spot

[TBird41]

mrsixer123 said:

massholya said:

Perhaps you should rename the thread "List who you think are the 5 most talented players"? Just a suggestion since positions seem to be irrelevant to the discussion as you have posed it.

summers is listed at 6'8, 241 via guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/summers_dajuan00.html

if needed he could/should be able to play the 4 spot

Ok. So 5 best "offensive talents"? Because Freeman and JWall aren't the greatest on defense, and Summers isn't the guy I'd most want defending post guys

[hoyaLS05]

Based on pure talent?
Austin
DaJuan
Chris
Roy
Jessie

I would say pure TALENT it would be those five (in that order), but I sure as hell would never make that my actual starting five.

[aggypryd]

I like Austin. He can do a little of everything.

I feel more comfortable with him coming off the bench right now because there is absolutely no drop-off, and in some ways we're better.

With that said...

Pat, Roy, Dajuan, Wallace, Sapp

[VelvetElvis]

MrSixer123
hoya4eva
baselinejournal
hifigator
YB

I am comfortable with exorcist coming off the bench because there is no drop-off in level of play.

[harlemhoya]

pg- wright
sg- freeman (best player on team)
sf- summers
pf- macklin(best garbage man in country if he started next to hibbert)
c- hibbert (should have went pro)

[strummer8526]

harlemhoya said:

pg- wright
sg- freeman (best player on team)
sf- summers
pf- macklin(best garbage man in country if he started next to hibbert)
c- hibbert (should have went pro)

Stupid opinions (telling kids to leave college) and awful grammar ("should have went"?) aside, I do agree with one thing in this: Why do we NEVER see Roy and Vernon on the court at the same time? Granted we may need them to relieve each other when tired or in foul trouble, but it looked at the end of Memphis like Roy still had a little in his tank. And they could take some of the stress off each other by sharing the typical "big man" load.

I thought of this the other night and forgot to post. It just seems like there could be some potential for a balancing between our:

-- Very talented but soft seven footer who can't jump and sometimes gets lost at the three point line on defense
AND our
-- Much less polished but hard-nose big man who rarely leaves the pain and loves to ram the ball down people's throats.

[hoyalawyer]

I will not even begin to opine as to who the best 5 possible starters are/could/might be. However, I CAN tell you that the reason we rarely see BOTH Roy and Macklin at the same time is that Vern does not have the skill set to play the 4 in our offense, specifically ability to pass from the high post). When we see them out there together, Vern is playing the 5 Roy is playing the 4. DOWNSIDE: Vern lacks the back-to-the-basket game to truly play the 5. This leaves us WITHOUT a true post when Roy is unable to perform up to expectations (see, e.g., Hibbert struggles v. Memphis).

On another note, based on our recruiting and the trend of players we seem to be getting here, I doubt Austin plays the 2 in our system (although I feel it would benefit him on the defensive end, but maybe not due to speed issues (see, e.g., CDR v. Freeman on defense during Memphis).

We are becoming a more versatile team, and I think in the future we will get a lot more 3 guard rotation.

[mrsixer123]

Bump

[hoyastrong]

...por que?

[kchoya]

Jan 1, 2008 1:53:05 GMT -5 @hoyastrong said:

...por que?

Because mrsixer makes a living on this board by telling everyone how smart is he is and how he knows more than everyone else. He wanted to bump the thread he started because Freeman started yesterday. See also the PG discussion from last season.

[SFHoya99]

• Why would anyone play the most physically talented starting five and not the best starting five? I love how Thompson actually makes players earn game PT in practice. That's the way it should be and one of the key reasons why we win. No one gets hurt by having to work for something and prove something and I will never understand the "more PT for someone getting outplayed" argument.
  
  
• While everyone and their mother saw that Freeman would eventually grab a spot, he did so because he was clearly outplaying Ewing right now. (If Ewing was rebounding better, maybe this would have been a tougher choice). However, his placement of Wright over Sapp isn't warranted right now. At some point Wright may be better than Sapp, but he isn't right now. They both commit a ton of turnovers, but Jessie makes more plays, is a more solid defender and knows the offense better. Chris is getting a ton of time as he should (and has most likely earned), but Jessie's better right now.
  
  
• There's a few posters on here -- Sixer, glueandgray (I think), who clearly don't like Sapp at all and I'm trying to figure out why. He wasn't very good versus Memphis, but no one was. However, he's been a very good player over the last year and has improved his biggest weakness from last year: shooting. So one of these posters who think Sapp should be benched please tell me why because I don't understand it.