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Post by Hoya TMF on Dec 3, 2007 12:43:21 GMT -5
of course it's early, but jon's shot has not looked nearly as good so far this year. he's down from nearly 51% to 40% shooting overall. 50% from the line and 43% from three. does anyone think he's changed his shooting mechanism or just finding his form? i can't access his stats from this point last year, but he looks to be in a slump, albeit a small one. hopefully like dajuan on saturday, he will break out on wednesday. we could use a convincing victory since are ooc schedule is not great except for memphis.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 3, 2007 12:45:15 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that Jon has changed his shot, and you said what is probably the answer -- it's a slump. The free throw shooting is probably the result of a small sample and not getting to the line enough.
That said, expecting him to shoot 49% from three like he did last year -- and about 50% in the NCAA tournament -- is unrealistic.
Maybe unrealistic is the wrong word. More like, it would not be all that unexpected to see him shoot 40% from three this year.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 3, 2007 12:46:41 GMT -5
Eh, last year at this time, I don't think too many people were expecting Jon to turn into the player he did. Now, we just have higher expectations. But to be honest, I don't think most of us will remember very clearly what Jon was doing 5 games into last year.
I'm also pretty sure his numbers were helped by the fact that he seemed to shoot 95% for the last month of last year.
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Post by jgalt on Dec 3, 2007 13:30:37 GMT -5
i think this is a case of perspective, the image of jon draining that three against unc is much more fresh in our mind than him missing threes from games in december of 06. you could say the opposite of Jeremiah who has made the same number of threes so far this year (4) than he made all last year.
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Post by HoyaChris on Dec 3, 2007 14:19:07 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that Jon has changed his shot, and you said what is probably the answer -- it's a slump. The free throw shooting is probably the result of a small sample and not getting to the line enough. That said, expecting him to shoot 49% from three like he did last year -- and about 50% in the NCAA tournament -- is unrealistic. Maybe unrealistic is the wrong word. More like, it would not be all that unexpected to see him shoot 40% from three this year. The three point shooting can't qualify for slump status yet either - the sample size is too small. The difference between 43% and 49% over 23 shots is one and a half makes. I would guess that during the course of last year that John would have been at 43% or less over his prior 23 shots at least 30% of the time.
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Post by mrsparkle12 on Dec 3, 2007 16:02:08 GMT -5
Last game he had at least two three-point attempts that were spot-on and just rimmed out. 3-8 isn't bad at all, and if he gets a few bounces or rolls, then he's back in league-leading territory. Certainly wouldn't call that a slump.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 3, 2007 16:20:32 GMT -5
Last game he had at least two three-point attempts that were spot-on and just rimmed out. 3-8 isn't bad at all, and if he gets a few bounces or rolls, then he's back in league-leading territory. Certainly wouldn't call that a slump. Yeah I saw that too. It was like back-to-back possessions he put up a three and they just rattled out. Of course, he airballed, which almost caused my head to explode. But overall, he's looked close to usual form. He'll get there with more playing time and what the lineup settles down a bit too.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 3, 2007 18:05:47 GMT -5
I can remember one shot in the Fairfield game which seemed like he rushed it and wasn't really square with the basket, but for the most part he's been firing on the same type of open looks as he usually does. I'm sure he'll be fine.
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Post by Dhall on Dec 3, 2007 18:06:39 GMT -5
Last year almost all of his shots were wide open with plenty of time to set himself. This year, he is being more aggressive taking shots off the dribble, with defenders closer, etc. and so he is going to miss more of them. One of the consequences of Jeff leaving and Wallace trying to take up some of the scoring. I'm sure JTIII has encouraged him to do this - why not tell a 50% shooter to shoot more 3s? Even if his percentage drops, we'll be better off.
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 3, 2007 18:42:36 GMT -5
I was a little worried about Jon too, until the second half of the Fairfield game. Yes he airballed that one "3", but other than that--he looked like he was back. The 3's only worried me a little.....it has been that shorter pull-up jumper that always seemed to be automatic for him that has been off. Then in the 2nd half for Fairfield, he hit 2 big three's at key times and then drained that little pull-up jumper. I felt a lot better after that and I would think he did too.
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Post by rambis on Dec 3, 2007 22:14:19 GMT -5
Wallace has moved to the two so he's taking shots earlier in the possession and without waiting until he is wide open. I think it's natural that he would shoot a lower percentage at the beginning of the year as he's settling into this new role. The free throws are surprising, but I think that is probably also something that will come around once he has adjusted.
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Post by afalcon10 on Dec 3, 2007 22:16:17 GMT -5
its incredibly early.. Jon will be fine.
The team is still discovering its identity, a job that the point guard is integral too. That is a much more important thing to look at than our 3 point percentage against Fairfield for example. The freshman are transitioning well and much of that must be attributed to Jon.
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Post by lancasterhoyafan on Dec 4, 2007 8:10:01 GMT -5
I was a little worried about Jon too, until the second half of the Fairfield game. Yes he airballed that one "3", but other than that--he looked like he was back. The 3's only worried me a little.....it has been that shorter pull-up jumper that always seemed to be automatic for him that has been off. Then in the 2nd half for Fairfield, he hit 2 big three's at key times and then drained that little pull-up jumper. I felt a lot better after that and I would think he did too. I like your thinking. Look at where we are now compared to last year at this time. As optimistic as I am, Memphis scares the Bejesus out of me!
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Post by jgalt on Dec 4, 2007 8:19:15 GMT -5
memphis doesnt scare me, alabama, jacksonville, radford etc. those teams scare me. the better our opponent the more comfortable the team has seemed to be this year
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 4, 2007 10:52:17 GMT -5
Jon just needs some home cooking. He'll get that when we go down to Birmingham. Interesting quotes from Hendrix in that he and Jon have known each other since grade school and Jon's dad was an assistant coach on their jr high AAU team.
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Post by jacko on Dec 4, 2007 14:27:08 GMT -5
I mentioned this in HoyaChat during the last game. I've only been able to watch the Fairfield game on the CSTV feed, but to me it seemed that he has changed a bit about the way he shoots. I wouldn't call it a complete adjustment of his form or anything - just that he's trying to add a few new weapons to his repertoire. He's good with pullups and floaters/runners around the lane, but I've never known him to take quick shots or release very quickly from 3. I feel like in the past he's always taken time to step into his long shot, while I saw a number of 3 attempts in the Fairfield game where he tried a quicker release than I'm used to seeing from him, which is to say that instead of stepping into every shot off of a catch, he hopped into the shots. Granted, I remember him doing this quite a bit in the past, but it seemed like he was making an effort to release the ball quicker than I'm used to seeing this past Saturday. That kind of adjustment, especially in a game context, may take some time to come around.
Has anybody else noticed this at all? Or am I a lunatic?
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