One small catholic BE school's practice facility

[kchoya]

At least it's not named after a millionaire murderer... yet:

"Extreme practice-facility makeover"

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Ceilings stand 9-feet throughout, with doorways at 7-10 instead of the customary 6-10.

Why does the Nova practice facility need that?

[lichoya68]

maybe theyre recruting a SEVEN FOOTER HUH??

[sead43]

"...the entire third floor of the IARF is dedicated to the campus community. Stuffed with $370,000 worth of cardiovascular equipment and free weights, it is every bit as posh as the basketball dens beneath it. A window-fronted wall is lined with 14 elliptical machines and 14 more treadmills; there's another iPod docking station, showers and a small aerobics room as well.

"Students and basketball players will enter through a common lobby, but hoopsters will have a key code to enter their private areas.

"Certainly adding the common area made the entire project more palatable to the powers that be who don't want to appear overly indulgent of their basketball programs. But it also is in keeping with a small Catholic campus that, while able to play with the major state-funded big boys, doesn't necessarily want to be confused for one of them."

it'd be nice if our practice facility incorporated something like this, with a portion being open to the general student body.

[DFW HOYA]

The key word is "if" there's a facility. Given Georgetown's track record of getting facilities built and the lack of major donors giving to these facilities, there are still some big question marks that people seem to ignore.

It's not enough to say that [fill in NBA player's name here] is waiting to drop a check and all's well. It's been eight months since the 100th anniv. dinner and no major gift has been announced in the interim. If Georetown won't commit to a start date, neither will the donors.

[MCIGuy]

With all due respect, DFW, do you have anything other than doubts?

Over the last four or so years on this forum I recall these opinions you shared:

-you had doubts over whether Georgetown would fire Esherick (buy him out) after giving him a contract extension.

-you had doubts that the school actually cared about basketball

-you had doubts about the hiring of III (specifically because you wanted a more broad search for candidates first)

-you had doubts if us Hoya fans had realistic expectations concerning what a good coach could do with the Hoya program giving the lack of facilities and lack of funds directed towards the program

-you had doubts if III could successfully keep up with the big state BE schools, including the new ones that were about to join the conference; as a result you had doubts if he could bring in the type of players (in other words out-recruit the big boys) that could return Georgetown to a top 20 program status.

-you had doubts if the administration would actually renegotiate a good enough contract (pony up enough more money) to get III to sign an extension.


Without question many of your doubts have merit. There are a lot of things the school/administration has to prove before people can say the program is in the clear. Obviously you have your finger on the pulse of a lot of things that are going on involving Georgetown and you have a fine understanding of its history in terms of not getting things done. And no one can deny your love for the school and program. But it seems you always seem to be negative concerning any topic regarding the future and possibilities of the program. Is it too much to ask to have some faith every once in awhile and be a bit more positive about things perhaps turning out right?

[HoyaNyr320]

mciguy said:

With all due respect, DFW, do you have anything other than doubts?

Over the last four or so years on this forum I recall these opinions you shared:

-you had doubts over whether Georgetown would fire Esherick (buy him out) after giving him a contract extension.

-you had doubts that the school actually cared about basketball

-you had doubts about the hiring of III (specifically because you wanted a more broad search for candidates first)

-you had doubts if us Hoya fans had realistic expectations concerning what a good coach could do with the Hoya program giving the lack of facilities and lack of funds directed towards the program

-you had doubts if III could successfully keep up with the big state BE schools, including the new ones that were about to join the conference; as a result you had doubts if he could bring in the type of players (in other words out-recruit the big boys) that could return Georgetown to a top 20 program status.

-you had doubts if the administration would actually renegotiate a good enough contract (pony up enough more money) to get III to sign an extension.


Without question many of your doubts have merit. There are a lot of things the school/administration has to prove before people can say the program is in the clear. Obviously you have your finger on the pulse of a lot of things that are going on involving Georgetown and you have a fine understanding of its history in terms of not getting things done. And no one can deny your love for the school and program. But it seems you always seem to be negative concerning any topic regarding the future and possibilities of the program. Is it too much to ask to have some faith every once in awhile and be a bit more positive about things perhaps turning out right?

[Applause] [/Applause]

[DFW HOYA]

mciguy said:

With all due respect, DFW, do you have anything other than doubts?

MCI, I don't engage in insulting fellow posters and I frankly expect better out of a veteran poster like yourself.

Please do not reinterpret history: I did not doubt JTIII's hiring. I was misinformed about the scope of the selection process. Upon hearing Frank Rienzo explain it, I had no problems and said so more than once. Done. Enough said.

To the issue at hand, the longer this facility issue drags out without a defined timeline, the more the possibility of institutional delay inevitably follows. Any one of us out there who gave money in the Multi-Sport Facility fundraising can speak from experience on that one.

So if you have a specific dispute with me, the e-mail box is always open, but keep me out of the larger discussion.

[jerseyhoya34]

This thread has potential. MCI raises good points that should not be overlooked. I don't believe he is the first to raise them.

Given the follow-up, what do you propose that alums/students do in these circumstances? Trust the administration? Donate more to the HHC with the hope that this would compel the administration to act? Cry "woe is me?" Something else?

Personally, I am surprised that the administration's efforts thus far on the McDonough issue have been met with such sour commentary. I think most are aware of the problems and potential pitfalls, but can we also applaud the fact that there is a dialogue about an actual plan? I am sure an announcement on fundraising will be made in due course.

[hoyatables]

I think the skepticism that quite a few on this board have expressed is a little unwarranted. The University has demonstrated a committment to its recent projects. It got the SW Quad approved and built it. It got the Performing Arts Center approved and built it. It got the MSB approved and built it. The only project not constructed is MSF, and I think the reason is clear -- shortly after it was approved, the circumstances changed. Following a re-evaluation of the program, it was decided that it made more sense to design a facility that would benefit all sports, and not just those that would use the MSF. Hence, the current plan. Am I missing something? This seems pretty logical to me.

[strummer8526]

1. I don't think MCI's post was insulting or disrespectful at all. It was just pointing out a trend in another poster's opinions. Once I'm on here long enough, someone will probably say the same about me b/c I tend to be in the cynical camp as well. No real harm done with a post like that, especially worded respectfully as it was.

2. The University causes the cynicism through its unwillingness to be even the remotest been transparent with anyone. When projects don't start on time, no one finds out why, and so between the original start date and the actual start date, everyone just sits around campus being cynical because it's based on our lack of knowledge about the situations. Looking at the big picture, yes, the projects eventually get done. The buildings get built. For students still on campus or recent alums who are in touch with the University every day, each delay in building and each small-scale failure seems to speak to a general incompetence in certain areas. I think when things like secure campus-wide wireless can't even get done as planned, when a building doesn't start on time, it tells students that there's something major at fault with the school.

3. For some reason, I'm actually not that cynical of the athletic facility project. I was impressed by the speed with which OGB rejected it and the University turned around a new plan. Hopefully that shows some dedication to moving on it. I can only hope they let us know when to send money, what the status of the project is, and why there are delays if they come up.

[MCIGuy]

dfw said:

mciguy said:

With all due respect, DFW, do you have anything other than doubts?

MCI, I don't engage in insulting fellow posters and I frankly expect better out of a veteran poster like yourself.

My mistake. I didn't see my sentence as being a form of insult. I pointed out that in the past you had been on, shall we say, the more cynical side conerning the debate of the health of the Hoya program. I also pointed out though that you did and do have reason to have doubt concerning the administration. Ultimately though I felt that you tend to be too pessmisitic concerning the state of affairs and I merely suggested that every once in awhile its okay to have a little optimism or at least hope for the best. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now if I may be a bit presumptious let me say that I feel that I'm kind of a historian of this board even though I participate less and less in conversing with others here. I have printed out copies of posts and threads from this forum as well as many more copies of posts and threads on disks and CDs going back nearly ten years (back to the days of the original, more primitive forum). In fact I have a whole lot of copies, if I may be specific, of the various discussions people have had on these forums. Its been kinda of a "no-life" hobby of mine. I don't have to re-read those posts again nor print them out to know that what I wrote concerning your skepticism is at least partially correct. So respect where I'm coming from and respect my time on this site to know that I don't have a history of attacking posters (especially ones as respected as you) unless I feel I'm attacked. So you can trust me when I say I meant no disrespect and I wasn't trying to attack you. If my original post felt like a personal insult all I can tell you is that that was not my intent. It was meant to be more like a friendly nudge with me essentially saying "hey, pal, cheer up and try to look on a more bright side". Obviously its now clear you didn't feel that that is how it came across. I'll take the blame for that. Next time I will try to word it better.

Peace and love.

[tal1286]

That practice facility is pretty sweet though. I had thought it was a parking garage since they built one across the street.

Anyway, I hope 2 things happen...

1. Our facility actually gets built and that it is as well done.

2. We can sneak onto the courts over Christmas Break to play ball.

[SFHoya99]

Anyone seen the detailed designs for our facility?

[Elvado]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Nova didn't take the name off the Ski lodge because Dupont was a nutbag murderer. He had stiffed them on the donation.

[RDF]

Did they outline the "Pablo Escobar Recreational Medicine" part of the facility?