SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 24, 2007 17:00:41 GMT -5
Not to go all MCIGuy on you, but Lundquist yelled "Oh beautiful! Wow!" on that play, before Packer (showing his Duke bias) talked about how Wallace pulled a move on Dockery that Dockery normally uses (I have it on my laptop here at work). You have it on your LAPTOP at work! You know, sometimes I read comments like that, or FHillsNYHoya saying he stayed up for four hours on a summer night watching the UNC game, and replaying in Slo-Mo all the key moments in the game, Or MegaFan flying in from Tokyo to be at the Final Four, or Lic talking about being at a Hoya game in Philly in 1980, and I think: GEEZ! There's a LOT of kooks out there who are simply FANATICAL about Hoya Hoops.I don't know if I am crazy or not, but at least I know (thanks to HoyaTalk) there's a whole bunch of other people who are just as crazy!
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 24, 2007 17:09:24 GMT -5
To be fair - Jon wasn't a true walk on. JT III recruited him to come to princeton, then when JT III made the switch and he tried to get Jon to come with him. And I guess with timing and various other things (probably a scholarship thing) Jon was listed as a walk on at first. I 'm not trying to take anything away from JW - just saying it wasn't like he was playing in Yates one day, tried out for the team and started every game of his career. Joey, I understand your point, but "Walk On" is an official NCAA designation that does not imply someone was in Yates one day and on the team the next. It simply means someone is on the team but not on scholarship. Even without Schollies, there is a limit to how many players can be on a team's roster. I think the max on "walk-ons" (Non-schollie players) is two. Very Very Very rarely is a "walk-on" someone who was not recruited to some degree. As a walk-on, Jon would be responsible for paying his own way as a freshman. Maybe there was some general financial support that he might have access to from GU the same as any other non-athlete student, but essentially he had to pay his own way. That made him a "walk-on" and that qualified him as REALLY dedicated. At some point (probably starting Soph Year) he got a schollie. That was never announced as far as I know. Other "walk-on" players in past years included Brendan Gaughan and Gharan Hester. Hester -- and some other guys -- were recruited from the football team. Guaghan too I think. The point though, is that Jon was considered an IVY level recruit at best, but he had enough confidence in himself and in JT3 to make the switch to GU even though he had to "walk on" and pay his own way his first year. Then he made it to a Final Four, Pre-season BE First team, and a Wooden Candidate. That is truly awesome!
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PDRHoya99
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Oct 24, 2007 17:13:43 GMT -5
Oh, and BTW. Has anyone seen Ignatius lately? Give Ignatius a break. He can't always be right. Yeah, he has to look back on that cannonball in the leg thing as a huge mistake.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Oct 24, 2007 17:40:48 GMT -5
Texas A&M was on him hard and had offered. He was completely overlooked by the SEC powers except for Vandy I believe. He was seen as too slow and not athletic enough.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 24, 2007 20:10:00 GMT -5
Megafan flew from Tokyo for the Final Four? How did I miss that? I am in awe, and will never be critical of Megafanland again.
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Oct 24, 2007 21:01:39 GMT -5
This seems like a good place to recall one of the solid quotes from last season, from one Rick Pitino, in reference to the mighty Hoyas: "We could have played them 10 times and they would have won nine. We would have had to play almost a perfect game to win."scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=270380097Also, the next time a Louisville fan crows about Terrence Williams' super awesome new shooting ability, remind him about "T-Will"'s 3-for-17 night against Dajuan Summers last year. scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=270380097
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Post by RDF on Oct 24, 2007 22:57:34 GMT -5
I don't get the Terrence Williams hate on this site? This board "loves Scottie Reynolds" but hates Terrence Williams who is about 10 times the player that Reynolds is. Williams is the key to Louisville's team--and he can do many things on the court--his shooting needed improvement and if he gets that down--he's unguardable. I hope you all are right when GU plays the Cards that Williams shot will be off--but I think this kid is a wonderful player--he can handle, pass, play defense, rebound, and create offense for teammates. He's someone I think is worthy of the praise--while I see Scottie Reynolds as a gunner who can't do anything else on the court--he can't create offense for teammates due to the fact he's got a shaky handle, he's a terrible defensive player, and yet he's talked about as if he's a guy capable of leaving early and being a Lottery Pick. I'd like to know what some people watch or look for in a player outside of his stats?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 24, 2007 23:11:35 GMT -5
I don't have a lot of love for Scottie, though I do think he'll have worse stats and have a better year now that creation can be handed off to Fisher and he can hit 3s.
I am not a huge Williams fan (though I agree he does more than Scottie) simply because when he's off, he refuses to stop shooting. He's on a team with a tremendous amount of offensive talent but he took his shots regardless of if he was hot. Reynolds did the same -- but he only had Curtis Sumpter and a bunch of people who couldn't score. I think Williams is the better player, but given their contexts, his complete lack of good decision-making hurt UL much more than Reynolds' gunning did.
As for Williams' defense, the games I saw Louisville in, the team was a sieve. He's athletic enough, but I saw nothing to say he currently is a plus defender. I'm no scout, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 8:19:01 GMT -5
Megafan flew from Tokyo for the Final Four? How did I miss that? I am in awe, and will never be critical of Megafanland again. Indeed he did. But SirSaxa doesn't give himself enough credit in that conversation - he flew from Hawaii for the Regional Final!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 9:10:26 GMT -5
To be fair - Jon wasn't a true walk on. JT III recruited him to come to princeton, then when JT III made the switch and he tried to get Jon to come with him. And I guess with timing and various other things (probably a scholarship thing) Jon was listed as a walk on at first. I 'm not trying to take anything away from JW - just saying it wasn't like he was playing in Yates one day, tried out for the team and started every game of his career. I remember the spin move on Duke because I feel like the announcers (pro Duke OBVIOUSLY) were talking about how unathletic Jon was, then he pulled that move and they fell silent. I also remember the UNC shot, and remember thinking that UNLIKE years past we got a shot for our best shooter WITHIN the flow of the offence (unlike Braswell dribbling at the top of the key until there was no time left and then shotting a fade away 30 fter.) I can't wait for this season. No offense, but you're way off here. How was Jon NOT a true walk-on? I'd say the overwhelming majority of walk-ons ARE recruited to the school they play for, or are great athletes already on other teams within the program. The tiny, tiny, tiny minority of walk-ons in D1 are dudes just playing around in the campus gym one day, and practicing with the squad the next. Jon is no different. He was recruited to come to Georgetown without a scholarship. He was, in fact, asked to "walk-on."
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Oct 25, 2007 11:26:59 GMT -5
Same as Wattad, although no one knows for sure his current scholarship status...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 25, 2007 11:33:27 GMT -5
When it comes to louisville all I have to say is this:
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Post by williambraskyiii on Oct 25, 2007 11:42:54 GMT -5
anyone who doesn't think DJS can play hi-lo and has some passing vision needs to take a look at the last dish to hibs at the end of the clip.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 25, 2007 11:50:40 GMT -5
Megafan flew from Tokyo for the Final Four? How did I miss that? I am in awe, and will never be critical of Megafanland again. Indeed he did. But SirSaxa doesn't give himself enough credit in that conversation - he flew from Hawaii for the Regional Final! Thanks Cam. Everyone knows the Wild and Crazy Hawaiian Shirt crew has a visible commitment and passion that is unrivaled by ANYONE!..... unless we consider, maybe, JahidiHoya!!
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