PE Jr

[calhoya]

I read little about his summer in the Kenner League. Did he continue to work on his three point shot this summer? With his energy, if he can become a consistent scorer from the outside, he offers the team numerous alternatives because he can play at least 3 positions.

[SoCal Hoya85]

I think his three point shot has always been underrated even by Hoya fans. Watching him play and the times I have seen him practice, he can hit 40% in games this season. I think he will be a big time player for us this year, indespensible even.

[MCIGuy]

He shot .444 from three last season. That part of his game is solid which I tried pointing out to folks here during summer of 2005. His energy was reportedly great up until the last week he participated in the KL. His weakness that he has to conquer is probably his decision-making. But for a guy with his tools, experince, skills, athleticism, etc he gets very little pub from the media.

[mrsixer123]

mciguy said:

He shot .444 from three last season. That part of his game is solid which I tried pointing out to folks here during summer of 2005. His energy was reportedly great up until the last week he participated in the KL. His weakness that he has to conquer is probably his decision-making. But for a guy with his tools, experince, skills, athleticism, etc he gets very little pub from the media.

i dont recall him making too many poor decisions last season, especially toward the end of the regulsr season. anything specific you recall?

[ephoya04]

He commits A LOT of silly fouls...especially after he turns the ball over or makes a mistake

[SFHoya99]

mciguy said:

He shot .444 from three last season. That part of his game is solid which I tried pointing out to folks here during summer of 2005. His energy was reportedly great up until the last week he participated in the KL. His weakness that he has to conquer is probably his decision-making. But for a guy with his tools, experince, skills, athleticism, etc he gets very little pub from the media.

I said this in another thread, but Pat's weakness in playing for the four for me are:

1. Defensive rebounding -- but he's already addressed that in the Times and hopefully will on the court.

2. Making shots within the three point line. His shot seems to get worse the closer he gets to the basket. His shots from the FT line are awkward and he's not a great finisher around the rim if he isn't dunking. His passing makes him a good guy to go to the FT line against the zone, but if you can't reliably score from there, it isn't the same.

[mrsixer123]

sfhoya99 said:

mciguy said:

He shot .444 from three last season. That part of his game is solid which I tried pointing out to folks here during summer of 2005. His energy was reportedly great up until the last week he participated in the KL. His weakness that he has to conquer is probably his decision-making. But for a guy with his tools, experince, skills, athleticism, etc he gets very little pub from the media.

I said this in another thread, but Pat's weakness in playing for the four for me are:

1. Defensive rebounding -- but he's already addressed that in the Times and hopefully will on the court.

2. Making shots within the three point line. His shot seems to get worse the closer he gets to the basket. His shots from the FT line are awkward and he's not a great finisher around the rim if he isn't dunking. His passing makes him a good guy to go to the FT line against the zone, but if you can't reliably score from there, it isn't the same.

which is why he doesnt get as much pub as others on the team. he is a key component to our team, but he has holes in his game that others do not have. i think his shot gets worse inside the 3 b/c just about all of his 3s come in the flow of the O. the 15 ft jumper is a lost art. its either a 3 or a dunk now-a-days. thats why guys like rip hamilton are so valauable

[mrsixer123]

ephoya04 said:

He commits A LOT of silly fouls...especially after he turns the ball over or makes a mistake

he is a energy guy, they tend to do that. take the good with the bad

[lichoya68]

patrick is great his energy and d and hustle unbelievable i sorta hope hell play alot as our sixth man if we can to come off th ebench and step it up... also he had one kenner league game in which i believe he had 20 points and one anon commentator told me if the pro scouts were there that nite hed be a very high pick g ohoyas go patrick and good move teaching jerry rice to dance in the middle of mcdonough in front of mr. monroe and about three millioin other potential recruits go hoyas ;D

[lichoya68]

ps lictypo that was 29 yup 29 points inside outside all around go hoyas

[FewFAC]

Count me in as would love to see improvement in finishing from 15 feet in. While I think 3fga's would be gravy, I could live with a weak 3fga shot if PE could hit 60% from 15 in.

[SirSaxa]

ephoya04 said:

He commits A LOT of silly fouls...especially after he turns the ball over or makes a mistake

I thought he made a lot fewer as the season went on -- and as he had foul trouble.
In the UNC game, I think he had three in the first half, did pick up a fourth in the second half, but played a lot of minutes after half time without fouling out.

He needs to be more careful, more controlled, but with the same energy level.
I love this kid to tell you the truth.
And I do think he has a shot at the league.
He's athletic enough.
Maybe a tweener.
But he has a strong motor.

[strummer8526]

Anyone named "Patrick Ewing" who can hold his own in a dunk contest, knock down a three, has explosive energy, and can dance will get a shot to play NBA basketball. Call me crazy, but I'd say he's a step up for the Knicks right now.

I'll put money on Jon getting serious league consideration if he has a season like last year. What about him DOESN'T scream SG off the bench for an NBA team (and a quality, intelligent guy to have on your team)?

[chep3]

sirsaxa said:

ephoya04 said:

He commits A LOT of silly fouls...especially after he turns the ball over or makes a mistake

I thought he made a lot fewer as the season went on -- and as he had foul trouble.
In the UNC game, I think he had three in the first half, did pick up a fourth in the second half, but played a lot of minutes after half time without fouling out.

The UNC game's a bad example. I think I picked up 3 fouls in that game.

[Coast2CoastHoya]

Or a Derek Fisher type, albeit a little smaller. Fisher's spot-up threes were the most underrated part of the Kobe-Shaq Lakers teams (case-in-point: the .5 secs miracle three against San Antonio). I could see Jon filling a role like that based on his shooting ability, bball IQ, and poise.

If PE II tightens up his game a little, he's going to be a beast this season.

Only three weeks till tip off.

strummer85 said:

I'll put money on Jon getting serious league consideration if he has a season like last year. What about him DOESN'T scream SG off the bench for an NBA team (and a quality, intelligent guy to have on your team)?

[SFHoya99]

I'll put money on Jon getting serious league consideration if he has a season like last year. What about him DOESN'T scream SG off the bench for an NBA team (and a quality, intelligent guy to have on your team)?

I love Jon, but there's a lot about him that doesn't scream NBA SG. Size, handle, quickness, defense. I know you can't underestimate him, but he's nowhere near a prototypical NBA 2.

[aggypryd]

Only thing that worries me about PE Jr. is his decision-making ability.

I think the difference between Jeff's and Pat's physical skills are negligible. If Pat just 'plays' and doesn't worry about trying to be Jeff, he'll be just fine.

[FewFAC]

sfhoya99 said:

I love Jon, but there's a lot about him that doesn't scream NBA SG. Size, handle, quickness, defense. I know you can't underestimate him, but he's nowhere near a prototypical NBA 2.

This is way offtopic, but if Juan Dixon can succeed at the next level, I have few qualms about Jon if continues to improve his game.

[DudeSlade]

Coast2Coast, I love the mention of D-FISH! Btw, he's back with the Lake show this year! Hell yeah! Not to be nitpicky, but that shot against San Antonio was .4, not .5 -- they made up a bunch of shirts and signs with .4 written on it at the time! Just pointing out that D-Fish is awesome! And I love the comparison with Jon -- fits perfectly.

As far as PEJr., the knock on his defensive rebounding, I don't really get. Did he dedicate himself to it? No. Could he have done more on the glass all year? Yes. But his play in the NCAA tourney on the glass was invaluable. His rebound against Tyler Hansborough on the final shot in regulation by Ellington is one of the most underrated plays in that game. He has the best read of the direction of the ball coming off the rim of any of our players and that played showed it in combination with his strength and will. His greatest asset is pure and simply his desire and passion -- hopefully it gets him a shot in the league next year.

[SFHoya99]

The knock on Pat's defensive rebounding last year is that he didn't get many, especially for playing so many minutes at PF. He admitted as muh himself in the Washington Times article. There's no doubt the ability is there -- his years at Indiana he was a rebounding beast -- but last year he was a surprisingly unproductive rebounder. One rebound does not a good defensive rebounder make.

As for Jon, I'm not going to argue much because I don't like saying negatives about our players, but comparing him to Fisher isn't a great comp. When he was younger, Fisher was considered a plus defender. Offensively, I suppose Jon could be an asset as a shooter.