turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Apr 27, 2012 17:40:33 GMT -5
This Is a stupid question. Any system is bound to be more appealing to some people and less to others. I think what some on this board love to argue is that we don't win because of the recruits we don't get and we I turn don't get those recruits because of the system we play. So really, two questions:
1 can we win with the players we have/get 2 do we lose recruits because of our system
I'll answer them in reverse order 2 yes we do 1 yes we can
I am a georgetown fan, Intelligent basketball is what we play, my coach is JT3 and I like it that way.
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Post by RDF on Apr 27, 2012 22:19:40 GMT -5
Its not like Broadus is on the sex offenders registry, cut the dude a break. He made a mistake at Binghamton and Georgetown has given his an opportunity to reclaim his integrity and contribute to the program. We need to deploy him to suit his strengths which are RECRUITING and developing pipelines. Brennan has done jacksht on the trail, hard to dispute. I don't give a f$@# if he kicked a puppy or not. I didn't come up with the restrictions. I'm just pointing them out. Guess who is out on road with III tonight KC? It's obvious by your comments/responses you don't understand how recruiting works--if you think III can walk into a living room and just get who he wants--you need to quit commenting. The point Alleninxis was making was this: III had to save the recruitments of 2 of the players he credited the inept duo of signing. Trawick didn't care for his visit when it was organized by Hunter. III saved that recruit. Nate Lubick's recruitment was a mess for a few days too. A Head Coach shouldn't have to always do the assistants who are on the road's work-he was able to close the deal when Broadus and Kirby did the work needed. Brennan has less impact then fans do. He's worthless as a recruiter. He has no ties that are valued and he has no impact with kids/coaches/parents. Hunter is Dave Cox 2.0--a whole lot of nothing. He can't land big time talent and has no presence on the trail. Time to upgrade staff to give III/Broadus HELP!!
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 27, 2012 23:09:25 GMT -5
I don't give a f$@# if he kicked a puppy or not. I didn't come up with the restrictions. I'm just pointing them out. Guess who is out on road with III tonight KC? It's obvious by your comments/responses you don't understand how recruiting works--if you think III can walk into a living room and just get who he wants--you need to quit commenting. The point Alleninxis was making was this: III had to save the recruitments of 2 of the players he credited the inept duo of signing. Trawick didn't care for his visit when it was organized by Hunter. III saved that recruit. Nate Lubick's recruitment was a mess for a few days too. A Head Coach shouldn't have to always do the assistants who are on the road's work-he was able to close the deal when Broadus and Kirby did the work needed. Brennan has less impact then fans do. He's worthless as a recruiter. He has no ties that are valued and he has no impact with kids/coaches/parents. Hunter is Dave Cox 2.0--a whole lot of nothing. He can't land big time talent and has no presence on the trail. Time to upgrade staff to give III/Broadus HELP!! If all of these perceptions of Hunter/Brennan are true then it really reflects poorly on JT3's management skills. Is he really that out of touch that he doesn't know how his assistants are being viewed by coaches, players and family members of recruits his program is trying to land? Bottom line is if these guys are that bad JT3 should know it and address it. No one else has the authority to make changes but him.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2012 23:40:27 GMT -5
I don't give a f$@# if he kicked a puppy or not. I didn't come up with the restrictions. I'm just pointing them out. Guess who is out on road with III tonight KC? It's obvious by your comments/responses you don't understand how recruiting works--if you think III can walk into a living room and just get who he wants--you need to quit commenting. The point Alleninxis was making was this: III had to save the recruitments of 2 of the players he credited the inept duo of signing. Trawick didn't care for his visit when it was organized by Hunter. III saved that recruit. Nate Lubick's recruitment was a mess for a few days too. A Head Coach shouldn't have to always do the assistants who are on the road's work-he was able to close the deal when Broadus and Kirby did the work needed. Brennan has less impact then fans do. He's worthless as a recruiter. He has no ties that are valued and he has no impact with kids/coaches/parents. Hunter is Dave Cox 2.0--a whole lot of nothing. He can't land big time talent and has no presence on the trail. Time to upgrade staff to give III/Broadus HELP!! . .
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Apr 28, 2012 1:08:22 GMT -5
Guess who is out on road with III tonight KC? It's obvious by your comments/responses you don't understand how recruiting works--if you think III can walk into a living room and just get who he wants--you need to quit commenting. The point Alleninxis was making was this: III had to save the recruitments of 2 of the players he credited the inept duo of signing. Trawick didn't care for his visit when it was organized by Hunter. III saved that recruit. Nate Lubick's recruitment was a mess for a few days too. A Head Coach shouldn't have to always do the assistants who are on the road's work-he was able to close the deal when Broadus and Kirby did the work needed. Brennan has less impact then fans do. He's worthless as a recruiter. He has no ties that are valued and he has no impact with kids/coaches/parents. Hunter is Dave Cox 2.0--a whole lot of nothing. He can't land big time talent and has no presence on the trail. Time to upgrade staff to give III/Broadus HELP!! If all of these perceptions of Hunter/Brennan are true then it really reflects poorly on JT3's management skills. Is he really that out of touch that he doesn't know how his assistants are being viewed by coaches, players and family members of recruits his program is trying to land? Bottom line is if these guys are that bad JT3 should know it and address it. No one else has the authority to make changes but him. Brennan makes sense if you are willing to admit you run a Princeton offensive system--but he gets all angry with that notion that Georgetown does-so why is Brennan around? He has no presence on recruiting trail--and if you aren't operating the system that you get upset when people say you are-then what's hard about making a decision to rid yourself of a guy like Brennan? He brings you nothing on trail. So X/O wise must be reason. Georgetown can't afford to waste 1 of their 3 assistants who recruit being a "strategist". That should be the Broadus role from this past year, not one of your active recruiting guys. Hunter--all I can say is that people I spoke with last weekend and that are located in his recruiting "region" weren't very excited about Georgetown at all and had issues with the "system". It's an assistant's job to smooth that over and show the strengths, Hunter hasn't done that--at least with these guys. So you have III/Broadus currently at Real Deal event in Arkansas tonight (no issue there since Hoyas will sign a smaller class as of now and Hoyas were at EYBL last weekend--but want to get Broadus wherever you will have your high targets since he's going to have to do the role of Kirby-which is be the main recruiter and until III makes a change--he'll have to do work of not just HC on trail--but 2 assistants--so 2 coaches doing work of 4 while other 2 are out and about doing nothing that makes a difference. Hunter's had time to step up and nothing to show for it. Brennan is at a disadvantage from fact he has no ties that help Georgetown and no presence. Fact he's not made one in 3 years speaks to his ability to adapt and make connections. Knowing talent doesn't matter. Any of us can go watch good players--but can you do something that sells yourself to a player and builds a relationship so he'll take interest and give your boss a good chance of closing the recruit? With disadvantages Georgetown faces in areas, they can't afford to go out shorthanded any longer.
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 28, 2012 9:23:47 GMT -5
Yes it does! Is it a valid reason not to come? NO. Opposing coaches use this to beat us out of recruits. Someone said the best thing III can do is to declare the PO is dead and gone at GU period! Then continue our offense as he sees best and call it anything else. The Georgetown Motion Offense or anything. Get rid of the name and maybe we can get past this nonsense. After all we don't owe Princeton anything.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 28, 2012 9:35:43 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Discussion on this topic can occur without the name calling. In addition, it is clear that some posters have strong opinions about the relative value of certain current members of the coaching staff. Take note of the following:
1. Your opinions have been expressed clearly and repetitively. 2. At some point (and we are there now), such posts become overly repetitive and move into unnecessary bashing of staff. 3. None of us are on the staff and none of us are in the position of making coaching staff composition decisions. 4. Given the above - move on. Note this is not to stifle expression of opinion, but if said opinion is expressed in exactly the same fashion more than 2 or 3 times in a thread, it will be subject to deletion.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 28, 2012 11:49:13 GMT -5
Oh, I see we're all panicking again. Cool.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Apr 28, 2012 13:16:32 GMT -5
Oh, I see we're all panicking again. Cool. Oh, I see we continually think things are fine. Again.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 28, 2012 13:41:28 GMT -5
See? I knew you could do it.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 28, 2012 13:44:09 GMT -5
Guess who is out on road with III tonight KC? It's obvious by your comments/responses you don't understand how recruiting works--if you think III can walk into a living room and just get who he wants--you need to quit commenting. The point Alleninxis was making was this: III had to save the recruitments of 2 of the players he credited the inept duo of signing. Trawick didn't care for his visit when it was organized by Hunter. III saved that recruit. Nate Lubick's recruitment was a mess for a few days too. A Head Coach shouldn't have to always do the assistants who are on the road's work-he was able to close the deal when Broadus and Kirby did the work needed. Brennan has less impact then fans do. He's worthless as a recruiter. He has no ties that are valued and he has no impact with kids/coaches/parents. Hunter is Dave Cox 2.0--a whole lot of nothing. He can't land big time talent and has no presence on the trail. Time to upgrade staff to give III/Broadus HELP!! If all of these perceptions of Hunter/Brennan are true then it really reflects poorly on JT3's management skills. Is he really that out of touch that he doesn't know how his assistants are being viewed by coaches, players and family members of recruits his program is trying to land? Bottom line is if these guys are that bad JT3 should know it and address it. No one else has the authority to make changes but him. Who cares what posters say about those 2.. Until JTIII decides to let them walk, I am going to assume JTIII is happy with them.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 28, 2012 14:49:56 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Discussion on this topic can occur without the name calling. In addition, it is clear that some posters have strong opinions about the relative value of certain current members of the coaching staff. Take note of the following:
1. Your opinions have been expressed clearly and repetitively. 2. At some point (and we are there now), such posts become overly repetitive and move into unnecessary bashing of staff. 3. None of us are on the staff and none of us are in the position of making coaching staff composition decisions. 4. Given the above - move on. Note this is not to stifle expression of opinion, but if said opinion is expressed in exactly the same fashion more than 2 or 3 times in a thread, it will be subject to deletion. Thank you Dan. Hopefully, this improves the level of discourse on the recruiting form and decreases the number of posts by the one note johnnys.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Apr 28, 2012 14:54:57 GMT -5
Why do folks connect pointing out the areas the program lacks and needs to improve on with not being a fan? Everyone here wants the program to succeed.
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 28, 2012 19:09:55 GMT -5
I think Brennan is instrumental to implementing the offense
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on May 23, 2012 7:17:45 GMT -5
so why is Brennan around? He has no presence on recruiting trail--and if you aren't operating the system that you get upset when people say you are-then what's hard about making a decision to rid yourself of a guy like Brennan? He brings you nothing on trail.. Congratulations and thanks to Mike Brennan on helping land Stephen Domingo.
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Post by Huntsville Hoya on May 23, 2012 8:46:13 GMT -5
Scrapping the Princeton offense, would me a mistake because a good portion of the NBA runs a form of it in their sets. I know for sure that Sacramento, San Antonio, Philadelphia, Denver, and any Adelman team run forms of the offense.
Fact is the offense is based on motion, passing and moving without the ball. That attracts players that know how to play basketball both physically and mentally. At G'town, you gotta have smart players that do 2 or 3 things well
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Post by hoyatmf02 on May 23, 2012 9:13:33 GMT -5
This thread is ridiculous. The only real difficulty we've had in the last few years has been in a one and done tournament. In fact, most year's we've exceeded expectations. Last year, we started unranked and no one thought we'd make the tournament. We fell just one game short of our projected seed (3), which was arguably undeserved, in a close loss to NC State. What has skewed things have been the early losses in 2008 and 2010. Even though we ran into the Steph Curry buzzsaw, our defense should have been better in that game. The team I thought had the best chance to return to a final four was 2010 with starters Wright, Freeman, Clark, Vaughn and Monroe, with Sims and Thompson off the bench. That was the game and the team that got away. An Elite Eight in either of those years was likely, and a reasonable expectation. An expected performance from either of those two teams (especially 2010) would end this silly debate before it even started.
The offense we've run under JTIII has been great and effective agaisnt supposedly smarter and more athletic teams. Fans and recruits over-value tournament wins, which I understand, but
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Post by hoyatmf02 on May 23, 2012 9:14:47 GMT -5
I think 2010 would have made all the difference in the world, and it was the defense, not the offense that failed.
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Post by hsb on May 23, 2012 9:25:20 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more munch. Run when you got it, pull it out and run a half court set when you dont. . . that's just smart winning basketball.
Since almost every NBA team uses parts of the "Georgetown" offense in their half court sets (pick and roll, give and go, back door cuts, motion, in and out, weak side swing, etc...) recruits w/ visions of the NBA should be tripping over each other to play at Georgetown.
Unfortunately, some kids just want to play AAU/high school all star game 1 on 5 ball and "break down" defenders on the dribble. Most of them would be better off rounding out their game with the additional skills/knowledge that JTIII and his "Georgetown" offense can teach.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on May 23, 2012 10:13:06 GMT -5
Great post, HSB. WISH recruits would see this....T. Williams?
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