rosslynhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 1, 2012 8:29:17 GMT -5
My guess is that Stan Heath's COY prospects have been minimized (though I've seen his named mentioned on a couple of sites) for the same reason as the Bulls' at-large chances: until last night, they hadn't beaten anybody. If simply keeping a steady hand on the tiller and beating all the teams you're supposed to beat qualifies you for COY, then the award has even less meaning than suggested above.
With that said, he deserves as much recognition and publicity for finally getting USF out of the hell that they've been in for their entire existence. Out of all the BE football schools, I'd like to see them do well in basketball, especially since they're the only school that's guaranteed to stick with the conference for as long as it's around due to the lack of prospects elsewhere.
They might as well be an honorary non-football school.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Mar 1, 2012 9:35:15 GMT -5
My guess is that Stan Heath's COY prospects have been minimized (though I've seen his named mentioned on a couple of sites) for the same reason as the Bulls' at-large chances: until last night, they hadn't beaten anybody. If simply keeping a steady hand on the tiller and beating all the teams you're supposed to beat qualifies you for COY, then the award has even less meaning than suggested above. I don't fully understand this argument. Isn't it a reflection of his coaching that USF can now win 12 games in the Big East beating only teams they are "supposed to beat"? That USF is "supposed to beat" 12 teams is a reflection of the great job he has done. Brey gets a lot of credit for winning with not much talent. I guess I see it as his fault that he is not able to recruit and/or develop talent. Also, I'll throw it out there, I think race plays a factor. I think people continue to be amazed when a team wins with primarily white basketball players, and give more credit to coaching than otherwise. I just think it is impossible to separate what a coach does into discrete segments, and then award coach of the year only on the coach's ability to coach in a game. Being a coach is a year-round process in basketball. From recruiting to player development to being able to run a clean organization. It all falls on the coach and it all translates in some way to performance on the floor. Trying to tease out who did a better job with "what they have" by looking at pre-season projections (based on wild guesses) just seems silly to me. All this said, I think JT3 should be in contention this year, and certainly is one of the top few in the big east since he began his tenure.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 1, 2012 14:29:28 GMT -5
Yeah preseason the only teams USF was "supposed to beat" Were DePaul and Providence.
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Post by grokamok on Mar 4, 2012 18:15:27 GMT -5
Sigh -- not so much of a mockery, after all. JT III has done a very good job, but maybe not a truly great one.
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