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Post by FLHoya on Aug 7, 2009 23:32:04 GMT -5
"YOU CAN'T BEAT US, GOD!" Coach Rodney loves a challenge. And he was determined to meet this particular one from the Creator head on. Throughout the second half, the Screamer gesticulated wildly at either a supreme being or the A/C system in McDonough, mad about some call or unfortunate break or what have you. Rodney would make a phenomenal hibachi cook at Bennihana. Just like the popular chain of Japanese steakhouses, at Kenner League the dinner--or in this case the psycho screamer of a coach--IS the show. Sometimes it's all we can do to stay interested on those dull Kenner League Friday nights. TOMBS 71 Bearcats 63It was 11-0 Tombs before anyone sat down, and it didn't get much more interesting after that. Any hope for a compelling finish was jammed away by Austin Freeman, after what I believe Rich Chvotkin calls "the swoop and swat"* gave The Tombs a 52-38 lead with just under 12 minutes to go in the second half. Tombs is finally back to .500 in the Kenner League. (*Also, Dennis Haysbert in an Allstate Car Insurance Commercial.) Jerelle Bennimon didn't suit up tonight--don't know if he's done for the summer or not. Austin Freeman DID suit up, but I hear he may headed for being done for the summer, so The Tombs is fast approaching a nostalgia tour for members of the 2007 Final Four team, as the triumvirate of Green-Wallace-Crawford holds court in the same gym where they had that historic loss to Old Dominion. Austin Freeman: 14 points, 7-9 2pt FG, 0-4 3pt FG, 6A, 0TO, 2STLThis had to have been a much easier game for Austin. He gets to play with some some old GTown running mates in Wallace and Crawford, and who wouldn't want to play alongside Jeff Green. Where Austin had to be the head honcho on the Tombs teams at the beginning of the summer, the addition of some quality vets--and at least another reliable point guard--definitely eased the burden. Austin didn't need the strong drives from the perimeter today--although he went there a little bit (once too aggressively with no direction and he got packed). Actually a lot of it was just cherry picking, a few clever layoffs on fast breaks and some smart decisions on give and go's and finding obvious open players. This game--with a slower, relaxed tempo (in every sense it was a summer league contest), less pressure to create scoring opportunities, and better overall quality of teammates--that dude from Pitt hit a corner three in the first half that had Jon Wallace raising his eyebrows in surprise--Austin just kinda chilled out there today. A few nice mid range jumpers, but nothing to write home about. Certainly much to relax about. [AHEAD: Sometimes 1st gear is just fine]
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 7, 2009 23:52:36 GMT -5
The best shot of the night came from a bench player.
More accurately--the appx 9-10 year old son or relative of Beyond Belief's coach, who spent the game sitting in the second chair on the bench. As the clock wound down the final seconds of the halftime break, and with a huddle of BB players surrounding him counting down the seconds on the scoreboard, the little guy launched one from at most a step in front of the sideline next to the bench.
FTW.
DCX 68 Beyond Belief 58
Maybe they should've suited the kid up.
DCX struggled to find their form in the first half, entering the break down 30-27. But they took the lead quickly upon the start of the second half, and a big run took the suspense out of the game.
Except for this one thing...
Chris Wright: 8 points, 3-9 2pt, 0-3 3pt, 2-2 FT, 7 reb, 4A, 3T, 1STL
...With a couple minutes to go in the first half, Chris Wright appeared to come down awkwardly on his left ankle after a rebounding battle on his defensive end of the floor. He never fell down, but he was clearly hobbling around and audibly cursed at himself at least twice (when there's a smaller KL crowd, McD is a lot like Lauinger Library...without the people getting busy in the stacks).
Chris looked like he was going to take himself out of the game, and he only barely got himself over to the offensive end in time. But he stayed in the game.
Next offensive possession, Chris gets the ball and seems a bit slow. But he gets it to around the perimeter, then throws it into third gear and blows by his defender into a crowd of 2-3 defenders in the paint--we've all seen this Chris Wright drive before...
...and then, yikes. He hits some moisture and slides out verrrrrrrrry awkwardly under the basket. Looked a lot worse than it turned out to be, but he did take a break after that. I thought--okay there champ, why don't you just keep it in first gear out there from now on.
Course, he really didn't. Now, he didn't play the same level of attacking basketball he normally does--actually, he recast himself pretty well as an assist man in the second half, and really excelled involving Greg Monroe in two man games for easy assists. He also put his attention to the glass, where he flew in from out of nowhere on multiple occasions to snare a rebound.
But with about 2 minutes to go and the game not really in doubt, Chris went battling for a loose ball rebound...and came up hobbling AGAIN. This time he made a beeline for the training room, and emerged about 10 minutes later sporting an ice bag on his ankle. He'd lost the ice later on in the evening, but he sure gave us a scare going all Harvey Thomas on the Kenner League.
If he can combine the energy with the decision making, he'll do quite well. Dunno if the ankle tweak prevented him in the second half from being more aggressive going to the hole and turned his focus to involving other teammates, but I rather liked that aspect of the game.
Greg Monroe: 22 points, 9-11 FG, 4-4 FT, 8 RB, 1A, 4TO
You want it, you got it...a mini-running hook from the post with his right hand.
Okay, he banked it home straight on off the glass and it was kinda ugly. But it COUNTS.
Still doesn't exactly look comfortable on that right hand--and yet shockingly people still fall for it when he goes to the basket righty...360 spun someone out of there shoes on that move for an and-one opportunity.
Much more aggressive on the glass than I've seen him in other games this summer, and in the post as well. He may not have the full repertoire on display just yet, but on this night at least you can't fault him for not being aggressive. Can't argue much with 22 points.
Still possesses great vision out of the post--a few Globetrotter like attempts from back to the basket position didn't find their mark--but the fact that he knows his teammates are there is a big plus.
He's the point forward you wanted since 2007.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 8, 2009 0:02:08 GMT -5
GOOD SUMMARY GLAD YOURE BACK are you SURE that was gregs right hand ?? honest engines sure best game ive seen monroe play he was in it all the way on both ends much more hustle and toughtness yup much more meaner tonite
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 8, 2009 0:13:35 GMT -5
A scene from the M Street Five Guys 11:00pm on a cool August evening. A bar stool at what used to be the bar at Au Pied de Cochon, now the storage unit for Five Guys' condiments. A shelve of mayonnaise jars, conspicuously labeled " 8/3". I immediately regret my decision to order that particular condiment on my cheeseburger. At the register, a cougar emphasizes snarkily to the cashier for the third time, she wants here burger without the bun. She's built like Tayshaun Prince. The peanuts are exceptionally salty tonight. A gaggle of obnoxious high schoolers holds court, and I suddenly feel very old. Kinda feel like telling them to get off my lawn. One emerges from the bathroom area and rejoins his friends. Brown V-Neck letterman's sweater covering a skin-tight girl's t-shirt reading "OMG WTF". This appears to be a joke. Appears to be. I suddenly sympathize with everything an older relative has ever lectured to me about "today's youth". Across the street, three folks about my age--two guys in Nantucket red Editeding pink shorts and boat shoes, their female companion in a small sun dress or cocktail napkin or something that's going to blow away in about ten seconds. Stop longingly at the entrance to Smith Point, stare up at the awning for good measure. NUMBER 10!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bellows the cook into the microphone. Except he startles #10, and he crushes his full drink cup in his own hand before dropping it on the floor. Some of it splatters on the cougar. I'm lucky number 13, and if you don't read anything from me tomorrow, I got salmonella from that mayonnaise. WE ARE ONE 72 Aquamarine Hunger Force 68After trading threes and no-calls and lots of screaming, Rodney finally got his way, as Hollis Thompson of all people iced the game for WAO with two FTs in the dying seconds. Good thing he finally got a chance to take a shot. For the record, Rodney called his customary opening Timeout Scream-a-thon at 14:58 with his team down 6-2, and he broke up their fast break to do it. Hollis Thompson: 11 points, 3-4 2pt, 1-4 3pt, 2-2 FT, 2RB, 3AIt's very hard to judge his offensive game because you get the distinct sense he isn't being allowed to actually do anything. With the competition for the ball (ahem) on his team, he's put into a lot of situations where it's either catch and shoot or go home. He catches and shoots most of the time. So lots of corner threes--at least we know that's his spot--but not a lot of quality looks, to be honest. Haven't been able to see him flash the slasher moves or athleticism much on offense, because he's basically adrift on his team. Would like to see him compensate for this by being more active on the defensive end, but isn't really happening. Still think he tires from all the fast breaking and pressure defense. Trouble is, at least in summer league guys can take him on the dribble or back him down, and he isn't exactly throwing in hard fouls to check a guy. One thing I DO like--even if he isn't getting the ball, he's making himself available and putting himself in scoring position, whether it's cutting along the baseline on drive and dish chances, or scoping out an open spot on the perimeter. Eventually the pass will come. ---------------------------------------------- Song of the moment when I was sitting at the bar at Five Guys and watched all those stories unfold: Ohio Players: Love Rollercoaster: --------------------------------------------- Three games tomorrow, starting with DCX and Clyde's at 2:10. Come and see who's still left standing of the Georgetown basketball summer students.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 8, 2009 0:16:34 GMT -5
The best shot of the night came from a bench player. More accurately--the appx 9-10 year old son or relative of Beyond Belief's coach, who spent the game sitting in the second chair on the bench. As the clock wound down the final seconds of the halftime break, and with a huddle of BB players surrounding him counting down the seconds on the scoreboard, the little guy launched one from at most a step in front of the sideline next to the bench. FTW. DCX 68 Beyond Belief 58Maybe they should've suited the kid up. DCX struggled to find their form in the first half, entering the break down 30-27. But they took the lead quickly upon the start of the second half, and a big run took the suspense out of the game. Except for this one thing... Chris Wright: 8 points, 3-9 2pt, 0-3 3pt, 2-2 FT, 7 reb, 4A, 3T, 1STL ...With a couple minutes to go in the first half, Chris Wright appeared to come down awkwardly on his left ankle after a rebounding battle on his defensive end of the floor. He never fell down, but he was clearly hobbling around and audibly cursed at himself at least twice (when there's a smaller KL crowd, McD is a lot like Lauinger Library...without the people getting busy in the stacks). Chris looked like he was going to take himself out of the game, and he only barely got himself over to the offensive end in time. But he stayed in the game. Next offensive possession, Chris gets the ball and seems a bit slow. But he gets it to around the perimeter, then throws it into third gear and blows by his defender into a crowd of 2-3 defenders in the paint--we've all seen this Chris Wright drive before... ...and then, yikes. He hits some moisture and slides out verrrrrrrrry awkwardly under the basket. Looked a lot worse than it turned out to be, but he did take a break after that. I thought--okay there champ, why don't you just keep it in first gear out there from now on. Course, he really didn't. Now, he didn't play the same level of attacking basketball he normally does--actually, he recast himself pretty well as an assist man in the second half, and really excelled involving Greg Monroe in two man games for easy assists. He also put his attention to the glass, where he flew in from out of nowhere on multiple occasions to snare a rebound. But with about 2 minutes to go and the game not really in doubt, Chris went battling for a loose ball rebound...and came up hobbling AGAIN. This time he made a beeline for the training room, and emerged about 10 minutes later sporting an ice bag on his ankle. He'd lost the ice later on in the evening, but he sure gave us a scare going all Harvey Thomas on the Kenner League. If he can combine the energy with the decision making, he'll do quite well. Dunno if the ankle tweak prevented him in the second half from being more aggressive going to the hole and turned his focus to involving other teammates, but I rather liked that aspect of the game. Greg Monroe: 22 points, 9-11 FG, 4-4 FT, 8 RB, 1A, 4TOYou want it, you got it...a mini-running hook from the post with his right hand. Okay, he banked it home straight on off the glass and it was kinda ugly. But it COUNTS. Still doesn't exactly look comfortable on that right hand--and yet shockingly people still fall for it when he goes to the basket righty...360 spun someone out of there shoes on that move for an and-one opportunity. Much more aggressive on the glass than I've seen him in other games this summer, and in the post as well. He may not have the full repertoire on display just yet, but on this night at least you can't fault him for not being aggressive. Can't argue much with 22 points. Still possesses great vision out of the post--a few Globetrotter like attempts from back to the basket position didn't find their mark--but the fact that he knows his teammates are there is a big plus. He's the point forward you wanted since 2007. [AHEAD: Scenes from a former French-named restaurant] Thanks again for the recap FL. I don't care if Greg is uncomfortable with the right hand, just start using it every now and then to make himself for difficult to guard. Anyways, looks like hes working on it, which is all we can ask for. And, I hope Chris is ok. Don't want to repeat his freshman year all over again.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 8, 2009 2:49:03 GMT -5
*** THIS IS NOT A KENNER LEAGUE REPORT ***
In Greg's defense when it comes to that right-hand thing, does anyone recall Zo developing a left hand? I don't. Alonzo is my favorite all-time Hoya but he was never any good at going left. I really didn't notice it much when he was at Gtown (perhaps because my understanding of hoops at the time wasn't sophisticated enough), but I became aware of it in the pros because it was brought up quite a few times by the media. For those unaware with Zo's big NBA contract came much scrutiny, especially during the post season. There was a stretch in the mid to late 90s when Alonzo was playing in the playoffs (for both the Hornets and the Heat) and ended up being regularly criticized for three things : 1)shoddy free throw shooting (percentage was worse than during regular season during this stretch), 2)too prone to picking up fouls (maybe overly aggressive -- it seemed at least half the fouls came on the offensive end especially when he was setting screens), and 3)no go-to move on offense.
The last part really led to some in the press dogging Zo a little bit. Unlike Ewing, Olajuwan, David Robinson and Shaq, Mourning wasn't as reliable on the offensive end. Sure at times he would show a sweet post-up move that would end with Zo putting the ball in the basket. But when it came to splendid footwork, great pivot moves, turnaround jumpers, kisses off the glass, hook shots, up and under moves, reverse pivots, etc, Zo didn't have enough in his bag of tricks that a 6-9 1/2 center probably needed. Zo didn't have the face up game and automatic jumper that his idol Ewing had either. Zo was always averaging a little over 20 points before the kidney problems, but he did so almost off of superhuman effort. He ran the court for dunks, from fourteen feet or less from the basket he would drive to the hole, he made himself available for feeds under the basket that would lead to dunks, and , as in college, he got fouled a lot by throwing his body around and into anything moving on the court. But in the playoffs those type of opportunities weren't as available as defenses became more stingy and possessions decreased in numbers. And Zo wound up getting exposed a bit on the offensive end, especially after his first early appearances in the playoffs which suggests NBA teams figured him out after awhile. (* Note --when John Thompson Junior said a few times on his show that Roy Hibbert as a college player had better skills on offense than Alonzo and Dikembe he meant it. Its not that that ended up always showing in the boxscore because obviously Zo put up better offensive numbers than Roy. But JT recognized that in terms of having a back-to-the-basket game and go-to moves to rely on as well as being comfortable facing the basket, Roy was more well rounded on offense than Hoya giants Mutombo and Mourning. Of course Roy doesn't necessarily show the tenacity to take advantage of his height and skills but that's for another discussion).
Anyway no NBA team "figured out" Zo more than the Chicago Bulls. Even with no standout big men the Bulls had enough big bodies (almost all taller than Mourning) to throw at him and keep him contained. And the Bulls didn't really trap or double-team Mourning much unless they were trying to force turnovers.. Other than that the Bulls seemed more than willing to cover Mourning with a single defender because of Zo's height and most of all because Zo did not have a left (you see how I eventually got back to the point? ;D ). The Bulls in fact were very brazen about discussing to the press how Mourning wasn't good at going to his left so they decided to concentrate on taking away his right hand. Now that I think about it that same mastermind running the Bulls, Phil Jackson, also exposed another talented big man with no true go-to move and over-reliant on one hand, Dwight Howard, in the recent NBA Finals.
If the internet had been around during Zo's college days would we too be picking apart his inability to go to his unnatural hand as we do with regard to Greg? Possibly. But in my years on this message board I have rarely ever seen anyone criticize Zo's for his underdeveloped offensive game or his almost exclusive reliance on his right hand. Why is that? Revisionism? Is it perhaps that because the vast majority of us are right-handed ourselves so we, in the back of our minds, are less able to accept any guy not having at least somewhat a reliable right hand? Or maybe it was because at least Zo exerted so much effort on the court (on both ends) that one could excuse his deficiencies.? Whatever the reason again I stress we need some perspective when bringing up this issue when it comes to Greg. Without a doubt for Greg (and the Hoyas) to realize his true potential he needs to develop that right hand. But we also need to remember that other successful Hoya big men were also not as ambidextrous as we may have hoped or (re)imagined.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Aug 8, 2009 9:06:28 GMT -5
One difference with Zo is that he was much more explosive than Greg, so he could get away with being more predictable.
If Greg becomes a great player, it's going to be mostly because of skill, not athleticism or a non-stop motor. And that means he'll need a right hand.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 8, 2009 9:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 8, 2009 9:37:58 GMT -5
oops forgot ryan daugheerty but havent seen much of him wish hollis was with some starter but heck were almost done NICE FOUL SHOTS TO ICE THE GAME a player here a PLAYER YES
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Post by Thomas on Aug 8, 2009 10:28:38 GMT -5
Rodney calls his "customary opening timeout scream-a-thon's" no matter what the score is. I'm assuming he does that as part of his ACT, there is no way he could be serious with that. Every year Rodney picks out one player to scream at the most, this year it is #3 Mike Creppy.
DCX had West Virginia forward John Flowers(#40) playing with them yesterday.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 8, 2009 11:05:39 GMT -5
One difference with Zo is that he was much more explosive than Greg, so he could get away with being more predictable. If Greg becomes a great player, it's going to be mostly because of skill, not athleticism or a non-stop motor. And that means he'll need a right hand. Well, we are in total agreement because nothing I wrote clashes with your points. That being said if I was a fan of the Heat during the 90s and my team was paying Zo $100 million wouldn't I want (expect) Zo to develop that left hand despite how explosive he was? And to be honest Zo wasn't exactly as explosive as Shaq, Dwight Howard or a pre-surgery Amare. Because of his height disadvantage in the post he really needed to develop a left hand, a better jumpshot and a more steady handle with either hand. He would have been unstoppable. And I hate to keep getting off topic but the one thing I hated about those frequently reported summertime pickup games involving Pat, Zo and Deke is that none of them ever seemed to bring anything new to their offensive arsenal the following season for their teams after spending all those summer days beating up on each other. So what was the point of those sessions other than exercise and conditioning?
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Post by richfame on Aug 8, 2009 11:46:17 GMT -5
ZO is also my favorite hoya player and actually its because of him and Mutombo that I became a hoya fan in the first place. When everyone was starting to jump on the uconn ban wagon here in ct i chose the hoyas. Your totally right back then who cared about zos left hand your right maybe we were young and didnt realize it. We saw Zo's passion for the game and how he had to carry the team his last few years. I never seen anyone with a bigger will to win, something this current group outside of CW at times might lack.
Actually as far as rookies mourning had a better year than shaq and should have been rookie of the year.. Maybe i was biased though!! go hoyas
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Post by hifigator on Aug 8, 2009 11:46:41 GMT -5
GOOD SUMMARY GLAD YOURE BACK are you SURE that was gregs right hand ?? honest engines sure best game ive seen monroe play he was in it all the way on both ends much more hustle and toughtness yup much more meaner tonite No, actually that was my right hand. I let Mr. Monroe borrow it because he was having trouble with his.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 8, 2009 12:48:02 GMT -5
Hey, if Monroe started playing defense like Alonzo, you would here zippo complaining out of me. The reason people complain so much about Monroe's right hand is that if he had one, not even a reliable one, he would be so much more difficult to guard. Its his biggest weakness, just like people critize Chris decision making, Clarks handle, Austins weight etc etc.
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Post by robbyt on Aug 8, 2009 12:53:19 GMT -5
Monroe looks like he bulked up but I think he looks wobbly and topheavy just as DaJuan did last year before the NBA guys revamped his body (see the photo posted on earlier thread about the twitter thing). Have to work on legs at least as much as just upper body.
BTW Birdsong for George Mason had a nice game in the final game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 8, 2009 12:57:58 GMT -5
I think we are all aware why people complain about Monroe's lack of a right hand (and I'm in agreement with his really needing one). My point is lets put this in perspective because other big men at GU didn't develop their off hand either. And, no, playing great defense is not an excuse to overlook that inability. I not only want the Hoyas to win I want its former players to go on to the NBA and have champioship-level success. Tim Duncan played great defense too. He also developed his off hand and he learned how to make the correct passes out of the post (something that Pat, Zo and Deke also were never great at). Perhaps that's a main reason why Duncan has four championship rings. He certainly didn't have more athletic ability than Ewing or Mourning....or even Mutombo.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 8, 2009 13:22:27 GMT -5
I think we are all aware why people complain about Monroe's lack of a right hand (and I'm in agreement with his really needing one). My point is lets put this in perspective because other big men at GU didn't develop their off hand either. And, no, playing great defense is not an excuse to overlook that inability. I not only want the Hoyas to win I want its former players to go on to the NBA and have champioship-level success. Tim Duncan played great defense too. He also developed his off hand and he learned how to make the correct passes out of the post (something that Pat, Zo and Deke also were never great at). Perhaps that's a main reason why Duncan has four championship rings. He certainly didn't have more athletic ability than Ewing or Mourning....or even Mutombo. I am not saying Greg shouldn't develop is right hand if he did play great defense, but I would be perfectly happy as a Gtown fan this season if he was a great defender with a lousy right hand. Overtime there is no excuse for him not to develop a right hand, but if for this year I had to choose between great defense and a right hand, I would choose defense every single time. Which is all I was saying. Not that Greg should never develop a right hand if he plays great defense, just that I wouldn't complain about it THIS year, if he plays great defense. Because you can't fix everything in one offseason so if he decided to focus on something else and became great at it, how could you complain? For the NBA he needs a right hand more than he does in college, and its another main reason I want him to develop one. Probably the biggest because I really want to see him go top 5. But if he has to stay and extra year or two at Gtown to really get it down, I guess I will suffer through it.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 8, 2009 13:24:07 GMT -5
Greg needs a right hand because he's a finesse player. If Monroe brings pain to opposing centers, forwards, spectators, janitors (anyone who might be in the way of the basket essentially) like Zo did, nobody will mention his right hand again.
But that doesn't seem to be Greg.
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 8, 2009 13:31:40 GMT -5
FLHoya, or anyone else who has followed the Kenner so far - without studying the numbers but merely recalling what I had seen from the RECAPs, am I correct in saying that no one on the current team has done well in three pointers? For the Princetown offense to be effective, it's imperative to have someone(s) who can hit the three (like Summers did last year).
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 8, 2009 13:44:25 GMT -5
Hollis looks like he was shooting well for awhile from three. I'm hoping Austin regains his form. I think Jason and possibly Vee are capable based upon what I've read and seen. Hopefully Nikita will get the kinks out and be a threat from there also. Perhaps one of our three big men will be respectable from out there if needed. The only guy that worries me is Chris Wright. He was never a great three point shooter in high school and he doesn't seem to have develop it as I thought he would have by now under III. If he had a three point shot he would be as dangerous as former Duke guard Jason Williams.
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