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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 9, 2015 10:32:58 GMT -5
In his home state. Don't forget that. I remember an article online a year or two ago that analyzed the most underseeded and overseeded teams in the past. Davidson was one of those wildly underseeded teams, should have been 4 or 5 spots higher if i remember correctly. Still should have won of course... Yes. We were up 19 very early in the 2nd half.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 16:40:08 GMT -5
This team is not the same as the others from the past. Technically we've lost two games that were complete upsets (Davidson & Ohio) and two games that were upsets only because of seeding (VCU & FGCU). Duke has lost just as many but you don't hear them whining about possible early exits. But the real test is that this years team hasn't lost a game that they should never lose. There is no ODU or Depaul loss on the schedule. As long as DSR plays, I'm confident we will beat the teams we are supposed to beat. I agree with your sentiments generally, but if it is true that Duke fans are nor whining about early exits that may have something to do with what they have done in the years they did not suffer early exits. Slightly different than our history.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 15:40:46 GMT -5
I can't believe this is even a discussion. We should have given them a basket. Jabril should not have dunked at the end of the game. Neither is a big deal, but neither of those was the sportsmanlike or right thing to do. I think the "echo chamber" comments stem from the fact that some posters sense of right and wrong seems to realign itself to whatever III does. Everyone seems to be comfortable with "he is not a perfect coach" in the abstract but any concrete criticism (timeout usage, not returning a gifted basket, etc.) no matter how trivial is met with several posts of strong resistance. If the roles were reversed this thread would be full of posts dumping all over Willard and a search for the phrase "great representative of the university" would return 100 results in this thread. Most mentions in this thread have been in passing as a minor criticism. The backlash against the criticism is insane. In the words of rockhoya... +1000
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 12:58:42 GMT -5
I wonder what Van and DoseofReality would think of this discussion?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 12:53:43 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. Gotta be ready to play. We owe the Blue Demons for keeping us out of the NCAA's last year. Creighton travels well and will have a lot of fans. Let's hope not more than the Hoyas. Either way, it's the BET and the boys better show up if they want to raise the trophy Saturday night. GO HOYAS!!! I will be interested to see to what extent Creighton fans come to NY this year. In my view, for the good of the league the more interested fans in the building the better - even if they are fans of the opposition. We generally are well represented at the BET.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 11:19:25 GMT -5
Do you really mean this or are you just trying to play devil's advocate? I cant believe there is no universal agreement on this. That may have been Jabril's motivation, and it was fun and not that big a deal. But do we not all agree that when a team has a comfortable lead, when the shot clock is off , and when the other team has opted not to continue fouling, that the right thing to do is dribble the clock out? Really, do we not all agree on that? I understand other teams dont always do it, and I fully understand and appreciate that there were other circumstances yesterday (that many have mentioned) that sort of explain what Jabril was thinking. Even if I say it was not "wrong", can we not all agree that it would have been slightly more right to just dribble the clock out? I suspect you were kidding about the Hall's 3. They were losing. I dont believe there are any unwritten rules about the team losing not trying to score in the waning seconds. No we all don't agree on that. I have no problem with what Jabril did. Fair enough. I thought everyone agreed that was the right thing to do but I was wrong.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 11:11:51 GMT -5
Didn't they hit a three after Jabril's dunk? So even if he did sort of pile on an extra two points, SH piled on an extra three. It's not like we succeeded in running up the score. I think it was just Jabril doing something to finish his Verizon career on a memorable note. Do you really mean this or are you just trying to play devil's advocate? I cant believe there is no universal agreement on this. That may have been Jabril's motivation, and it was fun and not that big a deal. But do we not all agree that when a team has a comfortable lead, when the shot clock is off , and when the other team has opted not to continue fouling, that the right thing to do is dribble the clock out? Really, do we not all agree on that? I understand other teams dont always do it, and I fully understand and appreciate that there were other circumstances yesterday (that many have mentioned) that sort of explain what Jabril was thinking. Even if I say it was not "wrong", can we not all agree that it would have been slightly more right to just dribble the clock out? I suspect you were kidding about the Hall's 3. They were losing. I dont believe there are any unwritten rules about the team losing not trying to score in the waning seconds.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 11:00:44 GMT -5
You are "not sure whether this was a concerted effort to take advantage of Willard's kindness?" Really? Again, this is basically something that never happens ever. Yes, you can have an opinion but if you are going to keep saying III was wrong, I'm going to keep saying nope. Ok so what would your reaction have been if we had given SH a free basket? You would have complained about it and said III was wrong, right? Of course not. You would have gushed about it and talked about it being all class. We all would have. And for those of you trying to come up with an explanation for us pressing (we were trying to foul, etc.), that is laughable. We were pressing (or guarding full court if those words matter), and that made the whole situation even that much weirder. I dont think this was part of any great plan on III / Georgetown's part to take advantage of anything - I think we were just not prepared to respond to what happened (a touch surprising in light of the conversation that Willard referred to between he and III before the game). The game plan was probably to press/pressure the first few posessions (it often is). No big deal. I worship III, but in the grand scheme of things, he made a tiny mistake on this. Nobody's perfect or always right. Except for me.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 7, 2015 21:14:53 GMT -5
Where can I find full highlights from the game? If you live in the DC area, c'mon over. I will happily watch the whole thing over again!
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 7, 2015 21:04:02 GMT -5
DSR misses the game with an injury. . .Jabril Trawick takes over like a senior should. . .Joshua Smith and Mikael Hopkins dominate at center without getting into foul trouble. . .Tre Campbell emerges as a legitimate point guard. . .the Hoyas don't trail at all during the game. . .Tyler Adams gets one more chance to play. . .and Butler shocks Providence to give GU the #2 seed in the Big East Conference Tournament. And the non-issue of JT3's response, proper or otherwise, to a grand gesture by Seton Hall's coach and players is all that we can discuss? I thought we were better than this, but I'm obviously mistaken. Give me a break. I agree with Guru 100%. I was at the game. As long as DSR is ok, it was just about a perfect day the way our game went (including all of the things you mention above), coupled with the Butler result. But I also thought it was a little weird that we did not reciprocate on the 1st posession. Not a huge deal, but it is too bad that there is even a slight taint/negative out there (even if just one rogue writer in NJ) about what was otherwise an incredible feel good story. What is wrong with bringing that up? This is a message board. Everyone is talking about all of the positives / great things about today - nothing wrong with this issue being discussed. FWIW (and not sure if this has been mentioned), I was also a tiny bit disappointed Jabril went in for that dunk at the end. I am not sure what the right answer is there - but if it were me I would have pulled it out. And to be clear - Jabril was amazing today. His emotion during the ceremony was touching, and he played an incredible game. I have been on cloud nine all day. Not trying to bring anyone down - but posters should be able to raise and discuss these things without getting attacked or their motives questioned.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 6, 2015 14:31:31 GMT -5
Can't we play with 6 like Villanova did? Wasn't it the Hall that had 6? So this is fair.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 15:18:47 GMT -5
I wish GPHoya would weigh in on this. Or on anything for that matter.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 14:57:38 GMT -5
A lot to wasted energy here. How about we just let the teams play their respective games, and let the Big East Tournament begin. This is one of the funniest things I have ever read on a sports team message board.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 12:31:37 GMT -5
I am not sure that DSR isn't the most complete player ever, including during Pops tenure. Now he is nowhere the the player that AI was and may never even play in the NBA. However, he does it all and I don't think we have ever had a player like that at Georgetown. Let's not forget Charles Smith ....especially during his senior season. He was clearly a cut above DSR. In fact, there are very few Hoyas in the modern era who had a better single season than Charles Smith....Reggie Williams for sure and possibly Iverson. I agree with this (and the '88-'89 team is really my sweet spot when it comes to Georgetown basketball). This is also why I and several of my classmates will start on goatees after the game Saturday, not to be shaved off until after our final game of the season. The "Charles Smith Final Four Goatee". Sadly, as everyone here knows well, it has only worked once in 26 years.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 12:25:42 GMT -5
Thanks Johnny Couple things I have from my calculations (I may be totally wrong), Georgetown is the 3 seed if Providence wins, regardless of all other outcomes. Providence can be the 4 seed in a couple of outcomes: If Butler beats Providence, Georgetown beats Seton Hall, and Villanova beats St. John's OR If Butler beats Providence, Seton Hall beats Georgetown, and St. John's beats Villanova I agree on all of those. One thing I have been thinking about is whether I would take right now a PC win, guaranteeing the 3 seed, or do we roll the dice in hopes for the 2 (risking the 4 or even 5). At the moment, I am rolling the dice. I feel very good about our chances for a W, and actually think PC v. Butler is close to a 50/50 game (I am sure PC will be favored but probably by no more than 3 points or so).
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 10:56:32 GMT -5
I am copying this brilliant work by DFW from the front page (I was going to do this last night, but it was too much work so just did the Hoya seed scenarios):
Want some more details on tiebreakers?
Villanova: has clinched the 1 seed.
Providence: A 2 seed with a win over Butler A 3 seed with loss to Butler and a Georgetown loss to Seton Hall A 5 seed with loss to Butler, Georgetown over Seton Hall, and St. John's over Villanova
Georgetown: A 2 seed with a win over Seton Hall and a PC loss to Butler A 3 seed with a win over Seton Hall and a Providence win over Butler, or a loss to Seton Hall and a PC win over Butler A 4 seed with a loss to Seton Hall a Butler win over PC and Villanova win over St. John's A 5 seed with a loss to Seton Hall, Butler win over PC, and St. John's win over Villanova
Butler: A 2 seed with a win over PC and a Georgetown loss to Seton Hall A 3 seed with a win over PC and a Georgetown win over Seton Hall A 4 seed with a loss to PC, A GU win over Seton hall, and Villanova over St. John's A 5 seed with a loss to PC, A GU win over Seton hall, and St. John's over Villanova
St. John's: A 3 seed with a win over Villanova and losses by GU and Providence A 4 seed with a win over Villanova and losses by either GU or Providence A 5 seed with all other scenarios
Xavier: has clinched the 6 seed.
DePaul: A 7 seed with a win over Marquette or a Georgetown win over Seton Hall An 8 seed with a loss to Marquette and a Seton Hall win over Georgetown
Seton Hall: A 7 seed with a win over Georgetown and a Marquette win over DePaul An 8 seed with a loss to Georgetown or a DePaul win over Marquette
Creighton: A 9 seed with a win over Xavier, or a DePaul win over Marquette A 10 seed with a loss to Xavier, a DePaul win over Marquette, and St. John's finishes higher than PC
Marquette: A 9 seed with a win over DePaul, a Creighton win over Xavier, and PC finishes higher than St. John's A 10 seed with a loss to Xavier.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 1:21:25 GMT -5
The Butler Way. In fairness, there were some atrocious calls on the Butler defensive end as all, not the least of which was the call that put JS on the line with 10s left. But this and the uncalled travel on Dunham spotted them 4pts. I'd call it a draw. No offense holic - but Spaz raked both hands down across Josh's arms. His whiny incredulous reaction was ridiculous.[/quote] No offense taken. We'll just have to disagree I watched it several times last night and again just now when I got home from work. On the initial replay angle, I still see Chrabiscz cleanly poke the ball away from Josh with two hands. Whatever contact occured was after the ball was loose. I am pretty sure Hoyatalk would agree if the jerseys were reversed. [/quote] Contact even after the ball comes loose is still a foul. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 4, 2015 23:54:02 GMT -5
So I think this is where we are for BET seeding:
Hoyas Win
2 seed if Butler wins @ PC 3 seed if PC beats Butler
[Makes no difference what SJU does if we win]
Hoyas Loss
3 seed if PC beats Butler [regardless of SJU outcome] 4 seed if Butler wins @ PC AND SJU loses @ Nova 5 seed if Butler wins @ PC AND SJU wins @ Nova
Please let me know if anyone thinks this is not right.
Side note: I think the front page is wrong in saying SJU can be no higher than 4. I think in the situation where we are the 5, then PC is the 4 and SJU is the 3.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 4, 2015 21:36:04 GMT -5
I think 1st team is 6 players
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 4, 2015 15:05:32 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think there's an argument for anybody besides DSR. Wallace would be the only person I'd consider in the same ballpark, only because of his role on the most successful JT3 teams. I agree with boya. It'll be a pleasure to watch senior DSR. I am excited abour Sr DSR as well, especially next to Soph Tre C
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