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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 7, 2017 9:45:10 GMT -5
I Don't like losing. Who does? I do like the fact that there are some changes with the program. I like the new assistant coaches. I like that our style of play has changed a little bit and we are drawing more fouls. I like that we have a highly rated point guard coming in next year. I was excited about this year. I felt that we were going to have a complete team. We don't. We needed a confident Copeland to complement Prior and Peak. With Copeland not playing well and now gone, we need another player to step up. I had hoped that Mulmore would avg 9-11 points per game. That's not happening. My expectations have been tempered. I am disappointed. Am I disappointed with JTIII? I am disappointed with the whole team. At the same time, he had to coach with what he has to work with. I believe that Peak is the only remaining ESPN top 50 recruit on the team now. I could be wrong, but I believe that we have 7 players that were not even ranked in the top 100 (granted, you really should not include Prior) coming out of high school. Prior and Peak have been playing great. If either one of them struggles, we are in trouble. We are a good free throw shooting team that missed a lot the last 2 games. We have a center that shoots like Curry, but he appears hesitant to shoot most times. Copeland is gone, our point guards don't appear super confident, and we are starting to struggle from the free throw line. Derrickson played great last game. We need more of that from him. Govan needs to be told to shoot the outside shot every chance that is set and gets an open look. The point guards need to be told to drive into the lane more and either draw a foul or kick it out for a wide open 3. With a few tweeks, I think that this team can be better. Defense: We were great defensively a few years ago. Did the new fouling rule crush our defense to where we either play timid or we foul out? Do I blame JTIII for recruiting? He appears to put in the effort. I think that every coach is going to have some good and bad luck with recruits. He missed on Anderson and Noel, but I think that it was tough for Georgetown to land players of their caliber against those schools comparing everything between schools. Now that our facilities have been brought to the 21st century, he might be able to win more recruiting battles. I don't have my torch and pitchfork out. I do have a fear that the grass may not be greener and that we could lose Waters. If next year is more of the same, I will at least get my torch out. The season has a lot left to be played. We just need to win one game at a time. I know you are new here FYI: Hoyafan2014 appears to have joined the board six months before you did.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 7, 2017 9:38:26 GMT -5
I can see us pulling off a w because I think lj and Pryor can get that hot. But unfortunately I expect s 10 pt loss. Not in the area anymore - but I don't think the atmosphere inside vzn will be very good. Just think attendance will be down and those there likely feel similar to how most of us feel. Depressed, dejected etc. Could be a bad day I understand the point about Verizon, although I was expecting exactly what you describe for Xavier last Saturday and was pleasantly surprised by a pretty solid environment/crowd. Of course, two losses doesn't help build excitement. Not to mention the snow.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 29, 2016 14:10:49 GMT -5
It's easy to forget that just two seasons ago we were a 4 seed in the tournament. Yes, last year wasn't good and this year has been shaky but comparing it to Esherick (as others did, not you vv83) era and saying things like "nobody cares" is really just fans being fans. Win a few unexpected games like on a Saturday and suddenly we are back in the discussion. But yes, at some point we need to win. I respect your right to disagree with the comparison I made to the Esherick years. However, please recall that in the 4 full seasons under Esherick, the team won 19 games 3 times and 25 games one time. He was in the Sweet Sixteen once and he was in the championship of the NIT. None of that precluded people from believing that the program was not headed in the right direction. This is not about JT III. JT III has produced better records than Esherick. This is about the overall status of the program today and where it satnds compared to its historical position on the national basketball scene. I think that you would have to agree that the reputation of the program and any buzz surrounding it is lower now than at any time since Esherick left. Also perception is based upon expectations. When Esherick took over the expectations of the program were higher than they are today. The goal these days appears to be finishing in the top half of the BE and making the NCAA tournament. Not long ago it was to reach the second round of the NCAA. Prior to that it was to contend for the final weekend. It is not headed in the right direction. I am not sure quoting Esherick win totals without a caveat regarding the OOC schedule in those years is fair. But you know that. What was the win total in BE games?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 29, 2016 1:34:34 GMT -5
Agree 100%. Rodney cant shoot enough as far as I am concerned. The object of the game is to score points and Rodney shooting is by far our best chance of doing that. While of course it would be great if our offense worked in a manner that got him or others wide open threes and other open looks (like Marquette tonight, and most of our other legitimate opponents the past few years). But it doesn't. At all. So tonight he was forced to take matters into his own hands. I suspect he wants to win and he certainly knows what we can clearly see. As others have said the past few weeks, I will suffer through the handful of bonehead plays and turnovers in exchange for him being really aggressive and attacking and looking to score. He has a really nice stroke. Remember, we are trying to score points and win games. It would really, really help if any of our 3 point guards were in any way threats to score (or even drive and dish), but sadly they are not. It is stunning to me that anyone that watched tonight's game would suggest that we have much more talent and athleticism than Marquette. Really? We are left with Pryor and Peak and the occasional long 3 from Marcus. All this talk over the years about our offense just trying to create the best shot possible has become a joke. For years now against BE and other real teams our offense creates very little in the way of good or easy shots while our opponents whip the ball around for either wide open threes or layups. Tonight we struggled to get any open looks - everything seemed contested - while Marquette took what seemed like dozens of wide open shots. This has happened over and over the past few years. Not sure if it is talent, execution, coaching or what - probably a combination of all of those things. One thing I know for sure, it is painful to watch as a fan. Don't question the comment on talent and athleticism because it's there. We pass the eye test but can't seem to play well which I'll pin on the staff. When it's been years of this with different players time to start pointing the finger in a new direction. If we have so much talent and athleticism why did you feel the need to just start a new thread complaining about our recruiting? You are starting to make me miss DoseofReality.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 29, 2016 1:06:43 GMT -5
No its called moving the ball so you can get an easier shot for yourself, use yoir teammates. It does not mean taking some of the forced shots he does. Sometimes he pounds it for 8 seconds ans then passes it after he cant get a look, hurts just as bad. But to say because he is the savior because he scored the points so I wont criticize is ridiculous and short sighted. You must be watching different Hoyas games then me. This team rarely gets good shots and that has nothing to do with Rodney. Even when they get a great chance around the bucket that's a 50/50 proposition. Rodney was 9-18 tonight the rest of the team shot 39%. The offense sucks and if anyone is going to take the inevitable tough shot is rather it be Rodney. There is a long list of things to criticize about this team, the 2-3 bad shots Rodney takes a game should be at the bottom of that list. Agree 100%. Rodney cant shoot enough as far as I am concerned. The object of the game is to score points and Rodney shooting is by far our best chance of doing that. While of course it would be great if our offense worked in a manner that got him or others wide open threes and other open looks (like Marquette tonight, and most of our other legitimate opponents the past few years). But it doesn't. At all. So tonight he was forced to take matters into his own hands. I suspect he wants to win and he certainly knows what we can clearly see. As others have said the past few weeks, I will suffer through the handful of bonehead plays and turnovers in exchange for him being really aggressive and attacking and looking to score. He has a really nice stroke. Remember, we are trying to score points and win games. It would really, really help if any of our 3 point guards were in any way threats to score (or even drive and dish), but sadly they are not. It is stunning to me that anyone that watched tonight's game would suggest that we have much more talent and athleticism than Marquette. Really? We are left with Pryor and Peak and the occasional long 3 from Marcus. All this talk over the years about our offense just trying to create the best shot possible has become a joke. For years now against BE and other real teams our offense creates very little in the way of good or easy shots while our opponents whip the ball around for either wide open threes or layups. Tonight we struggled to get any open looks - everything seemed contested - while Marquette took what seemed like dozens of wide open shots. This has happened over and over the past few years. Not sure if it is talent, execution, coaching or what - probably a combination of all of those things. One thing I know for sure, it is painful to watch as a fan.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 28, 2016 23:52:33 GMT -5
That is concerning considering how much time everyone had to prep for this one. Not to mention the fact that we have better athletes and talent. At some point we as a fan base may have to acknowledge that Georgetown's talent is average at best in this conference. Peak, Pryor can hold their own, and after that it's a collection of average BE players who are either not well coached or aren't responding to it. Yup.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 27, 2016 23:50:29 GMT -5
I can't stop myself from revisiting that Maryland game over and over again. Just one less turnover and we aren't even having this discussion. Beat Quette!!!! Agree. I was reminded of this again when I saw highlights of a 12-1 UMD manhandling Illinois today. Damn.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 25, 2016 13:02:53 GMT -5
Beautiful sentiments all. I would just like to add 10+ BE wins to the wish list.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 24, 2016 23:51:02 GMT -5
There are a lot of scenarios that have been discussed here. However, I think everyone agrees that if we get 10 Big East wins that we will make the tournament. So, this is how I look at it: - Right now, it looks like Villanova, Butler, Creighton, and Xavier are the best teams in our league. I definitely think we can win some games against them, but it's not inconceivable that we will have a losing record against them (in fact, right now I think it's likely). So, I think at a minimum, we need to go 2-6 or better against these teams. - Depaul and St. John's are clearly the worst teams in the league, and games we really should win. I think we really need to go 4-0 against them. - That leaves Marquette, Seton Hall, and Providence as the teams closest to us - for now. Some of these teams will make the tournament and some won't. We need to be on the right side of this group. I think we need to go 4-2 against this group. Adding it up this yields a 10-8 Big East record which should be enough to make the tournament. Of course, we have wiggle room in the above scenarios, especially if we win games we "shouldn't" win, but the games against Marquette, Seton Hall, and Providence really could make or break us. This makes the game on Wednesday against Marquette hugely important. An away win would be a huge jolt to our tournament chances right off the bat. Agree with this. I spent some time on the Marquette board last night and they feel the exact same way we do for the exact same reasons. This is a big game for both schools.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 17, 2016 22:28:24 GMT -5
While both Creighton and Xavier almost slipped up, it ended up being a pretty impressive 7-0 day for the Big East. Glad we were able to pitch in finally.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 12, 2016 23:37:07 GMT -5
I was suspicious of the "eye injury", but his body language on the bench seemed pretty positive on TV lately, so this really did catch me off guard. Oh well. Best of luck to you, Ike. Thanks for hitting that 3 against Butler at my little boy's first Hoya game. Priceless memory. I noticed the body language as well. And especially agree on the Butler 3. I had a group of 25+ in town for that game over New Years weekend 2 years ago. Same group last year for the solid win over Marquette. Not that optimistic with X this year.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 11, 2016 21:46:31 GMT -5
I have no idea what problems you may have, but my post was not an attack on you. I was just pointing out the lack of realism of your suggestion. I've always been respectful, so don't waste your martyr routine on me. That is good stuff saxa, I liked that one. I apologize if you were not intending to attack me as you are one of the better posters on this site and I've always enjoyed reading your posts. So why not do the on campus arena though, is it only money? That can be solved, just need a vision. How long have you been following Georgetown basketball? Serious question.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 11, 2016 10:22:11 GMT -5
Sour grapes here. How does hoyarad's 86-82 beat my 88-76? Actual score is 93-78. I was off 5 from our score and 2 from LaSalle score. hoyarad was 7 off our score and 4 off LaSalle score. To say he was only 3pts off ignores the fact that he was 11 off actual score and I was 7 off actual score. Using your formula, a score of 170 to 1 would win. Obviously I need a life. Georgetown 78 Cuse 68 I agree 100% - and was going to post the same thing (so talk about getting a life)! My example was going to be a final score of 90-70, 140-20 beats 85-65? Makes no sense. 88-76 has to win's yesterday's game! Hoyas 74 Syracuse 69
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 10, 2016 23:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 10, 2016 23:00:56 GMT -5
Nice win today as I didn't think we could hang with the guard play. We actually used our size and length albeit not as much as we could have at times. I don't know how this will translate against the BE competition but definitely a step in right direction. Was that you on the LaSalle board last night? Impressive.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 10, 2016 11:10:51 GMT -5
There was nothing snarky about the lone Georgetown comment. It was a heck of a lot more hopeful than most of the commentary on this board. I agree. Not snarky at all. In fact, that comment (mysterious / who knows where they will be in a month) is the best we could hope for at this point. The alternative is that we just plain stink and will be in the bottom half/third of the league.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 4, 2016 23:56:04 GMT -5
Just a question....How good would we be if Tremont Waters was on this team this season? Much better offensively, especially with his pick and roll ability and his ability to create off the dribble for himself and others. Just as important, tremont could be a 40 percent shooter from three at the college level. Offensively, he's exactly what this team needs. He's a work in progress defensively so Im not sure how many people he's going to keep in front of him during his first season at least Sounds just like Anthony Perry.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 1, 2016 0:04:16 GMT -5
Were you next to Johnny Jones, who was similarly rewarded? Not sure... the shift in perspective was disorienting. Suddenly the players were huge and the refs and Ronny Thompson's head were in my way. And I had to actually turn my head to follow the ball. Took some time to mentally adjust so I never got my neighbor's names. I really enjoyed the courtside perspective! I particularly liked being able to hear the players and coaches - both on the court and on the benches. I also found the refs to be pretty likable up that close, but that may just have more to do with how the game was going. I wish I had a bit more spare change to be able to sit there every game. Highlight of the game for me was Reggie hitting the 3 at the end of the 1st half. While he may not move the needle on the season, it is just nice to see him out there on the court as a senior. Would love to see him hit a few shots in meaningful games this year.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 26, 2016 18:03:39 GMT -5
I'd say friends and immediate family members. I am bringing 10 people, so at least 10!
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Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 25, 2016 23:49:20 GMT -5
We should not make any changes as long as we are content to become DePaul. I was wondering if you were ever going to post again!
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