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Post by quickplay on Jan 17, 2016 12:01:46 GMT -5
Well yeah, it's a bigoted, racist, hateful movement. The fact that they don't like when that's pointed out doesn't make it untrue.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 16, 2016 9:16:59 GMT -5
In today's lesson on whataboutism...
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Post by quickplay on Jan 15, 2016 16:10:25 GMT -5
It's a little insane to me how casually the candidates on the stage dismissed requiring a warrant for police/gov't to intercept and record our personal communications (something that I know Hillary is aligned with the Republicans on). I understand that every issue is a big issue, but when did the dismissal of our fundamental rights become so simple? I am confused (again). My whole understanding is that the NSA only collected the phone calls, but to listen to them, they had to go to the FISA court to get a warrant. This has been done about 150 times. I don't understand how there is any dismissal of our fundamental rights. I also don't understand why people are upset. Google records all of our searches and Verizon, AT&T, etc., collect all our calls. Furthermore, we send the government all of our financial records every year at income tax time. I just went to a new doctor and they asked for all sorts of information including my social security number, date of birth, address, etc. I didn't even know the lady at the front desk. She had enough information to easily steal my identity. Maybe I didn't hear the same thing at the debate that you did. Two things. 1 - You're free to provide your information to whoever you want. 2 - There is a massive collection of any and all possible data. They're lying (yes, the Obama administration) about what they're collecting and what they're doing with it - they've adjusted their claims of what they do every time more information reveals they've been lying. Send me naked pictures of yourself. I won't open them, I just want to collect them.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 15, 2016 10:26:21 GMT -5
It's a little insane to me how casually the candidates on the stage dismissed requiring a warrant for police/gov't to intercept and record our personal communications (something that I know Hillary is aligned with the Republicans on). I understand that every issue is a big issue, but when did the dismissal of our fundamental rights become so simple?
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Post by quickplay on Jan 14, 2016 10:08:35 GMT -5
Now that is intelligent!! Someone who has a history of poor judgment in the past and probably made poor judgement again. You want to send him to jail for 40 years. My beef is with his superiors who didn't suspend him a long time ago. If you think I am wrong, make your argument. You're not serious with this, are you? Multiple people, myself included, have made arguments about the officer's actions and you've dismissed them all. For some reason you've decided that unless an individual admits to a crime, nobody knows anything and there's no way for us to pass judgment - I mean, we can't get into his brain! Also, your efforts to refocus on hypotheticals instead of reality reflect the indefensible position you've taken. All you've done is hand-wave other people's claims away, change the subject, and tell us what your police officer friends told you you're allowed to be concerned over. Don't pretend like you've done anything but blow smoke.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 14, 2016 9:58:50 GMT -5
This thread is hilarious. The stated political goal of the Republicans was to stop Obama from implementing any of his policies. They did not wait until they "won" the midterm elections - which, if you want to use the democracy argument is a red herring anyway. The Republicans lost the popular vote but have so effectively gerrymandered that they won more seats. So no, they weren't representing democracy, quite the opposite.
There is so much projecting in this thread it's incredible.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 12, 2016 13:20:43 GMT -5
I applaud your commitment to b.s.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 10, 2016 10:40:31 GMT -5
"Raise your kids not to play with fake guns." As if that hasn't been the core toy for American boys forever.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 8, 2016 13:39:38 GMT -5
"I don't believe that I reference fear. I think concern would be a better term to use." Deepest levels of pedantry there. Way to completely ignore the issue!
As much as I agree that we should ignore reality and instead play along with your much easier to digest hypotheticals, I have one of my own. What if instead of a 12 year old boy with a toy gun in an open carry state, he was a 50 foot tall dinosaur with laser guns for arms.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 8, 2016 9:38:02 GMT -5
We need to get over the idea that police officers being in fear is a legitimate justification for any and all actions.
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Post by quickplay on Jan 7, 2016 16:15:05 GMT -5
Real courage of conviction there... "I just realized nobody knows anything, no details matter, hypotheticals control, and large children are scary!"
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Post by quickplay on Dec 30, 2015 19:18:50 GMT -5
Hmm, are there any similarities between the victims in the two incidents? None that I can see. If you want to say something, just say it. Sure. If these boys were white they'd still be alive.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 30, 2015 18:03:42 GMT -5
Also unclear is how the conduct of the officers makes sense particularly in a state with open carry... Also last year in Ohio on Aug. 5, 2014, you have the shooting of John Crawford III in Walmart It is pretty weird that these shootings keep happening in a state with an open to carry fire arm law... Video of John Crawford III's shooting is below: No charges were filed Hmm, are there any similarities between the victims in the two incidents? None that I can see.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 30, 2015 15:27:08 GMT -5
Also unclear is how the conduct of the officers makes sense particularly in a state with open carry...
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Post by quickplay on Dec 18, 2015 10:06:46 GMT -5
So I guess the big takeaway from last night's debate is that as long as you're really really really scared, the constitution is irrelevant and your rights don't count anymore. Unfortunately, that's a sentiment shared by both sides of the aisle (save for libertarians like Rand "Get a Warrant" Paul). For example, guns are scary, so the Second Amendment is irrelevant and outdated. The same applies to Democrats in favor of more "security" and police power. While they don't occupy the same space as each other, Sanders and Paul are the only two I see who are least reasonably on the correct side of the issue. It's bizarre to watch the others argue about the proper balance between privacy and security. Pretty sure that debate should be about amending the constitution, not passing legislation that ignores it.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 16, 2015 10:23:22 GMT -5
So I guess the big takeaway from last night's debate is that as long as you're really really really scared, the constitution is irrelevant and your rights don't count anymore.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 11, 2015 18:06:45 GMT -5
Of course, this country once had a President who rounded up and interned people based upon their ethnicity, and then had another who banned all immigration from a particular country and cancelled all visas from that country. Guess which party both came from... One is now known as one of the more shameful events in this country's history. The other is based on a country, not a religion.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 7, 2015 13:34:08 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.htmlEliminating encryption would mean that literally every single form of communication outside of person-to-person discussions (and sometimes even then) would be available for surveillance and cataloging by the government. It is the absolute end of privacy and renders our Constitutional protections meaningless. Regardless of party/ideology, it is an unacceptable position to take. Name a major party candidate who is/was an enthusiastic supporter of strong encryption. Sanders hasn't been clear on his stance. Clinton and the Republicans have been clear on theirs.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 7, 2015 11:09:41 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.htmlEliminating encryption would mean that literally every single form of communication outside of person-to-person discussions (and sometimes even then) would be available for surveillance and cataloging by the government. It is the absolute end of privacy and renders our Constitutional protections meaningless. Regardless of party/ideology, it is an unacceptable position to take.
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Post by quickplay on Dec 1, 2015 15:46:04 GMT -5
Except that lots of conservatives and libertarians believe that the police have too much power and have become over-militarized. Just like there are a good number of people on the right who are in favor of prison/sentencing reform, like the Kochs. I wholeheartedly agree. I think that unfortunately much of the debate (at least on a national level) surrounding this issue falls along standard Right/Left lines, whereas the issue itself doesn't necessarily fall along those lines.
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