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Post by dailey247 on Mar 27, 2018 12:01:50 GMT -5
I think a decent (but imperfect) definition for "Blue Blood" is a program where three different coaches went to the final four, and two different coaches won championships. That list is: Indiana, North Carolina, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, and NC State. If Coach K ever retires and his successor wins a title, Duke would be the 8th on that list. Probably, Duke is already a "Blue Blood" and NC state isn't, but still that's pretty close.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 9, 2018 14:39:18 GMT -5
I want Nova to lose asap. No more titles until we're in the hunt... While I agree that I don't want to see a second 'nova title in 3 years, I would love to see 2 BE teams in the Final Four, if for no other reason than to shut up the fans of P5 schools who try to characterize the Big East as a mid-major. I thought the Power 5 were the ACC, Big East, B10, Big XII, and SEC? Because the Pac 12 is terrible.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 9, 2018 13:59:15 GMT -5
If I'm remembering my Thought and Reality class correctly, there is EVIDENCE the ball is round but no PROOF that the ball is round. George Berkeley would tell you that the same ball might appear round to me and flat to you, and therefore its shape can not be an intrinsic quality of the ball itself. People really hated that class.
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Post by dailey247 on Jan 2, 2018 13:05:52 GMT -5
The earlier part of the thread is more interesting because it is bigger than basketball. Agreed (and perhaps that means I think this thread should be moved to another board?) and to throw another random anecdote into the mix: I, my brother, and my 4 sisters are all 4th generation Hoyas, and depending on how loose you want to get with the definition of family, I have upwards of 50 relatives with Georgetown degrees. Needless to say, it's kind of a big part of our shared history. The freaking Jesuit motto is stamped on the headstone of the family burial plot. But, so far, we're 0-for-7 with the next generation even applying to Georgetown, so the appeal does seem to be different. And I recall from my own time as a student thinking that there were a lot of people who enrolled because they didn't get into Harvard or Yale or whatever their #1 choice was. Probably asking too much of admissions to be able to read kids minds and know if they REALLY want to go to Georgetown, but I think it definitely affects student life. But back to basketball - elite athletes are a culture unto themselves, and their experience isn't very reliant on who their classmates are. The most attractive thing to them is probably other elite athletes to be their teammates, so we should recruit some of those and then we can recruit some more of those.
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Post by dailey247 on Apr 19, 2017 14:05:07 GMT -5
We could always play all but 3 of our games in McDonough that year, then we can say Verizon isn't our home court. Nova does this whenever the corestates spectrum or whatever is a venue.
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Post by dailey247 on Apr 14, 2017 15:45:48 GMT -5
Regardless of how long it takes to truly evaluate a coach, we don't have 10 years to find out. It takes more than 10,000 games to truly evaluate a baseball team, but the season is still only going to be 162 games long. Look at the Big East in 2002. 10 years later, 65% of those teams have left or are on their way out one way or another. And if you told me that in 2002, I'd have thought you were insane. So it might sound insane that in 2027, North Carolina schools will be banned from NCAA play because of discriminatory legislation against people whose first and last name start with the same letter, and as a result the ACC steals Villanova, Xavier, Butler, and St. John's because those are the three best programs in the Big East plus a way to steal the Garden for a tournament. But we can't take any chances. Call me not a "real fan" if you want, but I'm not going to give a flying F about this team anymore if it's a glorified division II program. Ask an older Holy Cross basketball fan. Or, ask me how much I care about Georgetown football (sorry, cheap shot).
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Post by dailey247 on Apr 5, 2017 13:29:18 GMT -5
Years 1 - 3: Consistent improvement year over year. At least one NIT berth. Top 40 in the country in offensive efficiency. Fun, watchable basketball. No more than 2 consecutive games featuring a 5 minute scoring drought. Years 4 - 10: At least six NCAA tournament appearances and 3 sweet 16s. Afterwards: Miss consecutive tournaments and you're fired.
That's the MINIMUM standard we should hold our program to, and if it isn't met further changes should be made quickly, without bringing the fan base to/over the brink of revolt.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 23, 2017 22:42:14 GMT -5
We'll make it back to the tournament the same year, and he'll beat us as a double digit seed. Oh, sweet irony!
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 23, 2017 22:34:24 GMT -5
Can we get back to the Becky Hammon discussion someone raised earlier? It would be totally speculative. I don' t see the "cool factor" as being worth the risk at this point in the program's history. If we were a much stronger program whose long-time, successful coach were retiring I think a lot of people in and around the university would love to be the school that breaks down this barrier. Like, if Roy Williams wins a title and hangs it up after this year, that level of institutional strength. Entirely consistent with the Georgetown "culture" some are mentioning. But we need a bullet-proof recruiter and proven head coach to come in here with how bare the cupboard is. We wouldn't offer the job to Chris DeMarco either, and if you're asking "who is that?": QED.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 23, 2017 13:55:42 GMT -5
At least for the next year or two (let's call it the honeymoon period), while expectations of actually winning are low, hire an assistant coach who can teach offense that's exciting to watch. No more clogged toilet, passing the ball around aimlessly for 28 seconds. Make Georgetown basketball watchable again.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 15, 2017 15:58:43 GMT -5
[/quote]Someone mentioned an Argentinian a few pages ago ... maybe 30 or so, it was Saturday ... has Pope Francis been spotted in New Jersey?[/quote]
Is there any evidence that Il Papa has a favorable view of the university? One of my classmates went to Regis in New York, and one day I was with him and we bumped into one his old Jesuit teachers there. When he found out we went to Georgetown he said "Huh. That USED to be a Jesuit school."
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 15, 2017 15:37:06 GMT -5
I am still scratching my head about how in the heck we stole one from Oregon. In retrospect, that was quite possibly the highlight of the season. Dillon Brooks was a non-entity for the game (first game back from injury), so that was a large part of it. Still, Oregon is really good and it's hard to see the February version of our team beating Oregon even without Brooks. It's also aggravating because had we beat St. John's and DePaul, plus taken the OT games from Butler and Seton Hall, we would have been a tournament team. As bad as we were, we weren't that far off - which is why I had hope that with Waters, we could do something next year. Oh well. And if Syracuse had beaten us, they would have been a tournament team. I think that's got to be the highlight of this garbage season.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 10, 2017 15:02:47 GMT -5
Maybe we can have 2 basketball teams. JTIII can be awarded a lifetime tenure to coach the Georgetown "A" team. Then we can get a new coach and start the Georgetown "B" team. The two teams would play a full Big East schedule, but never play each other. One conference win would go to the team with the highest GPA. Another conference win would go to the team that demonstrated the most "class" during the season.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 10, 2017 14:57:30 GMT -5
Random hypothetical - would it be ever possible for the Big East to get all 10 teams in the tournament? Essentially, if we and St. Johns were good enough for an at large, and Depaul won the Big East tournment. Or would 9 tournament-caliber teams beat each other up too much during the season, so that someone like Xavier losing in the BET would knock them out? If this were to happen, how high could the best team's seed be? You couldn't have a Villanova type dominant team, need to spread those wins around the conference more.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 1, 2017 17:39:45 GMT -5
Though experiment, since after 220 pages we're more or less having the same arguments over and over: If, from 2008-2013, we "played to seed" so to speak in the tournament, instead of all the upsets - say, something like 9-5 record with 2 sweet 16s and an elite 8 - but the last 4 years went exactly the same, how differently is JTIII perceived? Is there still this much support for making a change, within the Georgetown community and nationally?
My personal feelings would be the same, I think - that's how bad the last 4 years have been. On their own, enough to seriously look at going in a new direction. But, coming on the back of a period where we were notorious, nationally, for early round upsets, this current period of sub-mediocrity has amplified the malaise, I think, felt by many fans. I'm guessing many more people would look at this like a temporary slump that could be turned around, if it came after several years of being a 2nd weekend staple.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 1, 2017 13:19:19 GMT -5
Jay Bilas was on the Tony Kornheiser podcast yesterday, and they talked about Georgetown for a few minutes. Recommended listen. In short, Bilas thinks JT3 is a good coach, the Princeton principles we run can be highly effective, and are run by several NBA teams, but that it is used against us in recruiting because most high school kids don't know that and "don't know what they want." Also, he thinks our current players aren't right for the system, aren't talented enough, and don't play hard enough.
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Post by dailey247 on Feb 23, 2017 14:10:43 GMT -5
I guess I should have known. "The answer to all your questions is money" as Don Ohlmeyer said. So, if we axe III, then Pops can pressure Nike to drop us and we have to sign a smaller deal with Under Armor. We all must be eternally grateful to Pops for everything he's done for Georgetown, but if this minor-key extortion situation is preventing the basketball program from achieving the highest possible level of success, that's only staining his legacy. Not Under Armour given the backlash Plank has received for his support for Trump. Even criticism from his top player, Steph Curry. This isn't football, this is basketball. Addidas would be our only option. Still a good brand. You're probably right. Maybe, since Adidas owns the Reebok brand, a resurrection of the Answer?
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Post by dailey247 on Feb 23, 2017 13:54:52 GMT -5
I guess I should have known. "The answer to all your questions is money" as Don Ohlmeyer said. So, if we axe III, then Pops can pressure Nike to drop us and we have to sign a smaller deal with Under Armor. We all must be eternally grateful to Pops for everything he's done for Georgetown, but if this minor-key extortion situation is preventing the basketball program from achieving the highest possible level of success, that's only staining his legacy.
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Post by dailey247 on Feb 23, 2017 12:42:03 GMT -5
Can someone quantify for me what the "fallout" with Pops and the Thompson family would be if we made a change, and why the administration would need to be so afraid of that? Is Pops going to go on the radio and trash the university? Is he going to talk to recruits and tell them not to come? Burn down the library?
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Post by dailey247 on Feb 18, 2017 17:06:24 GMT -5
Don't tell any Nova fans, but I'm rooting hard for them to win the title again. When Gonzaga got the #1 ranking, I read an article about how seldom a team not in the Power 5 or Big East gets ranked number one. It's critical for the Georgetown program - critical for the next 30 years - that the Big East remain on equal footing with the football conferences. If we're ever going to get back to where we want to be, our league needs to be taken seriously. How long did the old Big East dine out on getting 3 teams in a single Final Four? Back to back titles in the conference would be a similar prestige bump that can buoy the whole conference for a while. Part of the failure of the old Big East was not having the foresight to see the football-driven conference realignment coming. Not many people did, obviously, but you need to learn from that and keep your eyes down the road on what the next big disruption might be. If concussions drive college football out of the mainstream, or player pay sinks the NCAA, it's crucial that when the powers that be decide what happens next, Big East basketball has a seat at the table. We can't become the A10 or Mountain West in the meantime. So, V's for Victory I guess. V's also for Vomit, which is what I'm going to go do now that I've said that.
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