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Post by Elvado on Nov 14, 2016 16:40:47 GMT -5
It is not membership that matters. It is action. Willing supplication to all things Obama for 8 years. And you can't deny it if you are at all honest with yourself.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 14, 2016 16:07:23 GMT -5
As if NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN have not been the DNC and Obama house band for the last 8 years... Please...
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Post by Elvado on Nov 14, 2016 7:32:39 GMT -5
No consequences for Democrat Party officials because the media will not hold them accountable.
Lesley Stahl was very interested in violent acts by Trump supporters but happily oblivious to the ongoing carnage perpetrated by those who opposed his candidacy.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 13, 2016 19:22:31 GMT -5
And all I am saying is judge them by their actions in office not their rhetoric on the trail or your own hyperbolic, fantasy fears.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 13, 2016 18:03:17 GMT -5
You may be 100% right on that point. I simply wonder if people can't wait until they are actually aggrieved before acting out. Trump is clearly a blowhard. He is also, at his essence, a social moderate. Judge him by his actions as President, not his words as a candidate. You're arguing that everyone should ignore the racist rhetoric until he has followed through with legislation? That no one gets hurt until the policies are in place? I am saying that the current level of angst/playacting is disproportionate to the real "offenses". Believe it or not, politicians don't always do what they say. I am still waiting for Mr. Obama to lower the seas...
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Post by Elvado on Nov 13, 2016 16:59:29 GMT -5
No, you asked how many popular votes did Trump win by. That's makes no sense. No one wins anything by getting the most popular votes. Might as well as how many absentee votes Trump won by. GOP has the White House, House, Senate, and a majority of governorships and state houses. Sounds like a mandate to me. I stand corrected I should have phrased it how many more popular votes did he get, I'll go back & correct that.. How many by the way? Sure they have a bully mandate but the majority of folks who voted aren't in line with what they want to do, it may mean little to you or them but it's a fact you can't escape.. You may be 100% right on that point. I simply wonder if people can't wait until they are actually aggrieved before acting out. Trump is clearly a blowhard. He is also, at his essence, a social moderate. Judge him by his actions as President, not his words as a candidate.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 13, 2016 15:49:25 GMT -5
Mixed bag this weekend for Harry. Lost soccer final 3-1 and was sad.
Perked up immeasurably when my GU roommate showed up for a visit and to run the Alex's Lemonade Stand Lemon Run with us today.
Took two minutes off last year's time and sprinted the last 100 like a champion.
Of course, big picture mandates that it was all triumph all weekend for him and so many other little heroes just like him.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 13, 2016 13:38:05 GMT -5
I seem to recall a brilliant orator of recent vintage declaring "I won. Get over it." Sauce for the goose.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 13, 2016 5:36:17 GMT -5
ACA is likely dead in the water. Add to that Roe v. Wade, any progress on climate change and all sorts of things regarding the LGBTQ community, including marriage rights. Pence was, apparently, for conversion therapy though his team has tried to walk that back likely because it's both unpopular and completely moronic. Those idiots always go back to the "it's a choice" argument which isn't an argument at all. I've also heard the "it's an impulse" argument. Any straight people out there have that "impulse" that these people talk about? Didn't think so. Why can't devout Christians differentiate between the social contract of marriage and the sacrament of marriage? Same sex marriage ceremonies don't have to be conducted in a place of worship and most people aren't asking for them to be. Tas: I think you are falling victim to a great deal of the sky is falling rhetoric about what will take place. Obamacare should go and go immediately. From its unholy conception, rammed through before they even read it in a straight party line vote to its exploding costs, it is a loser and we can do better. Roe has always been a poorly worded opinion on a collision course with itself. What was "viable" in 1973 and today are vastly different and the idea that 1973 science guides law is insane. That said, I don't think it is going anywhere very soon. As for same sex marriage, I don't see that going anywhere either. Rights once recognized are very hard to unrecrecognize and the practical implications militate in favor of same sex marriage staying just where it is as it should. However to your point about devout Christian's and their hang ups, which are legion, why must it be called marriage at all? Does the word "civil union" mean less? Just my two cents.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2016 11:23:45 GMT -5
In the quoted paragraphs no. The earlier paragraphs leap to conclusions that are not yet supported by fact. I was profoundly disgusted by the 2008 result , not because Mr Obama is black, but because his resume was devoid of any substantial qualification for the office. My reaction was not violent protest or sky is falling rhetoric. A large component of these protesters are self- indulgent babies throwing a collective temper tantrum, simply because they don't like this result. That behavior is never acceptable. Wait for Trump to do something wrong in office. Actually be aggrieved before you act aggrieved. This would be a novel concept for the snowflake generation. Maybe they should all go to a safe zone and cry. Geez, Elvado. Initially you wanted to lump the remarks with the protesters. Now that I've highlighted some of the actual suggestions that are part of the the commentary, you now have retreated to dismissing his concerns. We should all pray that the worst doesn't come to pass. Not that far removed from wanting compassionate prayer for one's difficulties or situations, no matter their nature. Does that work for you? Deal. We can all pray that the worst does not come to pass. Just as I did 8 years ago minus the hissy fit.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2016 10:29:41 GMT -5
In the quoted paragraphs no. The earlier paragraphs leap to conclusions that are not yet supported by fact.
I was profoundly disgusted by the 2008 result , not because Mr Obama is black, but because his resume was devoid of any substantial qualification for the office. My reaction was not violent protest or sky is falling rhetoric.
A large component of these protesters are self- indulgent babies throwing a collective temper tantrum, simply because they don't like this result. That behavior is never acceptable. Wait for Trump to do something wrong in office. Actually be aggrieved before you act aggrieved. This would be a novel concept for the snowflake generation.
Maybe they should all go to a safe zone and cry.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2016 7:33:06 GMT -5
But you can design tiers. I work every day with insurance companies.
If you don't believe contraceptive care can be excised from a policy with the right degree of commitment you are crazy.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2016 5:46:07 GMT -5
The problem with that Ed, is that without the mandate (requiring young healthy adults to purchase insurance), the costs of such a system would be astronomical. What it sounds like you are proposing is essentially what we had before Obamacare, but insurance companies could not decline those with pre-existing conditions. What do you do with those who cannot afford the premiums. The mandate is what keeps costs under some control. In addition, why are you against contraceptive counselling?? Would you rather have more unplanned pregnancies which would be much more expensive. Bottom line, Ed, what you are proposing would be prohibitively expensive. Jerry: I think Ed's point is that we shoehorn consumers into policies that provide coverage they will never, ever need. If you are over 55 or so, the need for contraceptive care or counseling is nil. Kind of like selling a fish car insurance. But under the current construct consumers are forced to buy a plan with coverages they will never need or use. We all know that it is designed to get a consumer like Ed to pay for coverages he won't need but someone on a subsidy will. In many ways it resembles cable tv and we all know what a rip-off that is.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 12, 2016 4:58:00 GMT -5
Did you watch the video with sound? Did you listen to the people (generous description) yelling "vote for Trump that''s what you get"?
Whatever started the altercation, the implication and sentiment of the animals on the video was clear. And yes those people were animals.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2016 19:44:38 GMT -5
Doesn't strike me in any way as overly dramatic. Lester puts his points out there very plainly. And his perspective is shared by more than a few African Americans, as well as number of others -- as clearly evidenced by the protesters who've been making their feelings known. To dismiss it as "typical liberal doomsday drama" suggests you really didn't read or absorb brother Lester's conclusion. Rather than simply "yelling" He offers detailed suggestions for coping with the disaster. Having said that, I'm not surprised at who can't wrap their heads around what he shared. So many of your (and the author's) good points ring so hollow when I watch the vile hatred spewed by the protesters or when I watch the video of the man dragged from his car and beaten in Chicago for looking like a Trump supporter. Assassination threats as far as the bird can tweet with vandalism and hate speech do little to advance any noble cause. I trust your intentions are good and your beliefs sincere but nothing justifies violence and hatred on either side.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2016 17:21:20 GMT -5
A lengthy, but thoughtful commentary from Julius Lester, a SNCC veteran and survivor of the Jim Crow years:
Overdramatize much?
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2016 7:10:23 GMT -5
140 character expression is beneath the office and always has been
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2016 6:21:01 GMT -5
So disappointed. After acting presidential and conciliatory I really had hope. Then on Trump's Twitter account he accuses the press of inciting professional protesters, Very unfair." I thought he might actually change. Petulant, yes. Is he wrong?
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2016 5:58:49 GMT -5
As I watch the temper tantrum being thrown by millennials, I can't help but picture Bill Clinton, hand up someone's skirt, laughing his ass off at Hillary's loss, so happy that his carnal carnival can continue unabated without all that messy media attention.
Thoughts?
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2016 14:53:57 GMT -5
Keegan robbed in MLS Rookie of Year voting. Comes in second to Jordan Morris. Guess it helps to have daddy in league management.
Played every minute of every game.
Joke.
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