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Post by nodak89 on Jun 5, 2007 11:14:12 GMT -5
Was it Corey Brewer that Billy Packer was going on and on about his "7 foot wingspan."
According to the chart: wingspan 6' 8.25''
Guess who is really 6'9 with the 7 foot wingspan?
Jeff at 7' 1.25''
EDIT: Maybe it was Horford: 7' 0.75''
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Post by HealyHoya on Jun 5, 2007 11:19:05 GMT -5
No, Packer was talking about Brewer.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 5, 2007 11:24:03 GMT -5
What info were you reading. How is Horford a legit 6/10 when he is listed as standing 6'8.75 without shoes (under '6'9 w/o shoes is what I always thought he was)? How is Noah a legit 7'0 when w/o shoes he is 6'10 1/2 (I knew he wasn't a legit 7 foot because that would ha meant Hibbert was 7'4 or 7'5)? rewer's height doesn't surprise because he was around Brandon's height when the two stood next to each other. And it was obvious Gray was indeed a legit 7 footer.
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 5, 2007 11:48:42 GMT -5
Two words for all of this - Mike Mamula.
And all of this analysis of potential draftees is just creepy. I know it's the nature of the beast, but it just makes me feel more unclean than usual.
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Post by RDF on Jun 5, 2007 11:48:48 GMT -5
I've never understood why players are measured without shoes--unless there is some new Twister League I'm unaware of, wouldn't you measure people in the equipment that will be used in a game--aka SHOES! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) It's kind of like the NFL and their obsession with watching guys run in track outfits or some who run shirtless and in those tight/biker like shorts--don't they play in pads? Guess I'm simplistic-I'd measure players in their shoes only, and watch how they play/workout, get to know about their work ethic and how motivated they are--do they enjoy playing? Do they enjoy playing enough to keep pushing themselves after making money? That type of stuff. Outside of that--it's all about the skill level you have and if you are a fit for the team selecting.
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Post by jacko on Jun 5, 2007 11:51:57 GMT -5
I honestly didn't think Jeff's wingspan and verticals would be that much. Pretty awesome.
I haven't checked all the stats, just read the thread so far.
I'm not going to criticize Durant for not being able to lift 185 - I was at that point once where I was highly skilled but hadn't started lifting weights yet. I think this is a scary prospect - a guy this good - national player of the year - who has probably never lifted a barbell in his life. He's going to start lifting really soon - believe that - with an NBA strength coach. I would be willing to estimate that before the season starts he'll be maxing out just over 200 and before next season it'll be between 250 and 300, if not more.
Another thing I question is the specific height measurement with and without shoes - I don't really know what purpose it serves (and I'd be interested to know how they factor that in the final scores/ranks). You can get people like Hilton Armstrong and Tyler Handsbrough whose necks are about 2 feet long, but the height between your shoulders and the top of your head doesn't really serve you in a basketball game. Beyond your shoulders it's all vertical reach and wingspan that matter.
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Post by jacko on Jun 5, 2007 11:53:50 GMT -5
Guess I'm simplistic-I'd measure players in their shoes only, and watch how they play/workout, get to know about their work ethic and how motivated they are--do they enjoy playing? Do they enjoy playing enough to keep pushing themselves after making money? That type of stuff. Outside of that--it's all about the skill level you have and if you are a fit for the team selecting. No. Motivation/love of the game is nothing. Pick Rudy Gay. Now.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 5, 2007 12:05:55 GMT -5
I've never understood why players are measured without shoes--unless there is some new Twister League I'm unaware of, wouldn't you measure people in the equipment that will be used in a game--aka SHOES! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) It's kind of like the NFL and their obsession with watching guys run in track outfits or some who run shirtless and in those tight/biker like shorts--don't they play in pads? Guess I'm simplistic-I'd measure players in their shoes only, and watch how they play/workout, get to know about their work ethic and how motivated they are--do they enjoy playing? Do they enjoy playing enough to keep pushing themselves after making money? That type of stuff. Outside of that--it's all about the skill level you have and if you are a fit for the team selecting. They measure them without shoes because not all shoes are the same height. Pretty simple, really. You can get the guy with small shoes bigger ones to make up for it. I agree with the silliness of some of the combine numbers, but I also think they are important in some ways. There is a minimum athleticism needed in the NBA, and unless you watch every game, that sometimes doesn't show. People are talking about Durant's strength, but what about his completely awful vertical?
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Post by jacko on Jun 5, 2007 12:14:24 GMT -5
People are talking about Durant's strength, but what about his completely awful vertical? If you have a 9'2" reach, his vertical should be good enough. Once again, it's probably the result of not hitting the weights very hard. They'll improve that vertical wherever he goes, but he jumped 26 and 33 inches. That's not as glaring as a big fat zero for upper body strength.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jun 5, 2007 12:18:21 GMT -5
vertical, like most every other athletic endeavor, is a function of strength. durant will get more explosive once they get him on an nba weightlifting regime, which makes him that much scarier in terms of his potential impact. he was the best player in college basketball as an 18 year old who's physically frail. his ceiling is ridiculous.
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Post by chep3 on Jun 5, 2007 12:20:01 GMT -5
For example, see Tracy McGrady. The guy came in as a stick, but a few years into the league with a proper regimen, he was benching upwards of 300. Durant will be fine, he's a lanky dude with long arms and that kills your ability to bench.
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Post by jacko on Jun 5, 2007 12:20:47 GMT -5
True, we get spoiled sometimes by 18 year olds like LeBron and Amare who look like they've been in NBA weightrooms for 10 years when they're drafted. I was also very surprised to see that both Wrights were only able to get the bar up twice.
Just noticed that Russell Carter and Dominic James ranked 2nd and 3rd overall. Pretty good for Big East guards, eh?
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Jun 5, 2007 12:27:04 GMT -5
And the Jordan legend grows. You forgot to mention that he would pay the baggage handlers $50 to throw his bags off first so he could take the profits.
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Post by NJHoya95 on Jun 5, 2007 12:30:37 GMT -5
I am pleased to note that Jeff's body fat is the same as mine. Only his contains a decimal point. I am feeling fit.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 5, 2007 12:32:53 GMT -5
People are talking about Durant's strength, but what about his completely awful vertical? If you have a 9'2" reach, his vertical should be good enough. Once again, it's probably the result of not hitting the weights very hard. They'll improve that vertical wherever he goes, but he jumped 26 and 33 inches. That's not as glaring as a big fat zero for upper body strength. I'm not saying Durant will be bad, but bench pressing is completely overrated for a jump shooting perimeter player. Heck, it is overrated for an interior player (since bench press DNE strength). But you're not remotely surprised or concerned if you're drafting Durant that Jeff Green outjumped him by five inches? That Aaron Gray outjumped him?
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Jun 5, 2007 13:02:32 GMT -5
What info were you reading. How is Horford a legit 6/10 when he is listed as standing 6'8.75 without shoes (under '6'9 w/o shoes is what I always thought he was)? How is Noah a legit 7'0 when w/o shoes he is 6'10 1/2 Because people play basketball with shoes... No...because he's better than the both of them.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 5, 2007 13:10:54 GMT -5
What info were you reading. How is Horford a legit 6/10 when he is listed as standing 6'8.75 without shoes (under '6'9 w/o shoes is what I always thought he was)? How is Noah a legit 7'0 when w/o shoes he is 6'10 1/2 Because people play basketball with shoes... No...because he's better than the both of them. Right, Durant is as close to Larry Bird as you can draft...and even if that includes his lack of vertical that still warrants a top pick.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Jun 5, 2007 13:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 5, 2007 13:14:20 GMT -5
So being a "legit" 6'10 guy means having a shoe that gives you the extra two inches to bump you to that height? Makes perfect sense.
Hey, guys, lets start saying Roy is actually 7'4. After all once he puts on the shoes he has to be around that tall.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 5, 2007 13:21:57 GMT -5
I didn't say Durant didn't warrant a top pick, though the Larry Bird comparison is absurd.
Durant is obviously the number two pick, regardless of combine. I find it a bit disturbing though that he's not that athletic. I compared Durant to Rashard Lewis at one time. I think he's got more drive and a better handle than Lewis, but it will be interesting to see how Durant develops as a complete player (i.e. defense).
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