MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on May 24, 2007 20:51:19 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 24, 2007 20:59:24 GMT -5
Wow. Its like a re-cap of selected posts on this board in the last 72 hours. Shocking.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 24, 2007 21:00:48 GMT -5
Wow. Its like a re-cap of selected posts on this board in the last 72 hours. Shocking. Barker continues to have the outside scoop. Sweet. |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 24, 2007 21:03:46 GMT -5
I'm personally waiting for the front of the Times sports section to have an in depth article on minivans.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on May 24, 2007 21:15:09 GMT -5
Well, in fairness Barker did make many of these points (such as the Hoyas being able to contend for the national title if Roy only returned) immediately after the loss to Ohio State.
Plus while many fans here were belittling him all season long concerning his stated and repeated stance (sometimes sly hints) that Jeff was likely to leave GU after the season, guess who ended up being right? All the folks on this forum who kept countering with stuff such as "Jeff's mom says he's coming back" and all that other nonsense were dead wrong. And with a possible exception of a few posters, no one has stated as bluntly (either because they didn't believe it or have the stones to say so) that Roy's ceiling is much higher than Jeff.
Last of all....noone that I can think of called out Jeff for giving a bs answer about the possibility of his return. For some reason quite a few got overly excited about Jeff's "70% chance he'll return" line instead of seeing it for the typical smokescreen or typical polite-thing-to-say soundbite that college players give all the time. Its not that Barker has anything against Jeff (no one was a bigger rooter for Jeff in the media than Barker and he clearly favored Jeff over Roy). However he apparently knew deep down that Jeff was always going to (understandably) take his agme to the NBA rather than complete his senior season. If Barker had strictly been going by the hunches on this board he would have really looked like an idiot.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on May 24, 2007 22:33:32 GMT -5
And with a possible exception of a few posters, no one has stated as bluntly (either because they didn't believe it or have the stones to say so) that Roy's ceiling is much higher than Jeff. No kidding, dummy...Roy is 7' 2"...duh!  |
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Post by hoyaboy1 on May 24, 2007 22:35:36 GMT -5
Bubbrubb - the new av is sick. I wish i had photoshop skillz.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 24, 2007 22:50:04 GMT -5
Then again, Barker did publish an unsubstantiated rumor that Jeff wasn't going to class at all. Most of us thought Jeff was going. I'm not going to give Barker a medal.
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Post by strummer8526 on May 25, 2007 0:02:48 GMT -5
Exactly. I think people called him out more for his speculation that could be (and was) easily proven wrong than they did for his hunches about Jeff's departure. A lot of people said Jeff was going to the NBA. Only one commentator said that Jeff wasn't attending classes on the same day that he was observed walking into his morning class. He could have made his case without that untruth.
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Post by VelvetElvis on May 25, 2007 0:11:47 GMT -5
Bubbrubb - the new av is sick. I wish i had photoshop skillz. why would you want photoshop skillz, Stringer? |
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Post by MCIGuy on May 25, 2007 3:43:41 GMT -5
Only one commentator said that Jeff wasn't attending classes on the same day that he was observed walking into his morning class. He could have made his case without that untruth. Observed by whom exactly? If I had a dollar for every poster on a message board who swears up and down that a student athlete is still going to class or isn't going to class and turns out to be flat out wrong I'd be rich. Now maybe Barker did get his "facts" wrong on that point and if so I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff would never give another interview to him again (nor coud I blame Jeff for doing so). That being said it seems a tad revisionist to say now that "most" people" had Jeff going pro when at certain points of the year (beginning of season, middle of season and after Jeff's last game against Ohio State) most folks here appeared to be leaning towards him returning. However I never did an official count or anything so I could be way off. |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 25, 2007 4:06:22 GMT -5
I thought that there were people with him in class the same day Barker published the story.
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Post by guru on May 25, 2007 8:16:54 GMT -5
Only one commentator said that Jeff wasn't attending classes on the same day that he was observed walking into his morning class. He could have made his case without that untruth. Observed by whom exactly? If I had a dollar for every poster on a message board who swears up and down that a student athlete is still going to class or isn't going to class and turns out to be flat out wrong I'd be rich. Now maybe Barker did get his "facts" wrong on that point and if so I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff would never give another interview to him again (nor coud I blame Jeff for doing so). That being said it seems a tad revisionist to say now that "most" people" had Jeff going pro when at certain points of the year (beginning of season, middle of season and after Jeff's last game against Ohio State) most folks here appeared to be leaning towards him returning. However I never did an official count or anything so I could be way off. Jeez. MCI, just ask him out on a date already. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I think it was clear to most people who watched this team this season that Jeff Green was likely going pro. Barker gets no credit for his insinuations on such an obvious point, sly as they may have been. And his publication of the message board rumor that Jeff wasn't going to class regularly was pure journalistic hackery. There's a reason he's been at the Wash Times so long - I appreciate that he covered the team closely during the down years, and often scooped the Post, but he lost a lot of his credibility with that one. And he got OWNED on this story - the biggest breaking news regarding the program in years - pure and simple. |
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Post by williambraskyiii on May 25, 2007 8:42:02 GMT -5
while there are some clear lifts from the Board, I think it is a very insightful piece. everyone needs to get off barker's back, but MCI has to get off Barker's junk.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 25, 2007 8:56:16 GMT -5
A good piece by Barker. My only complaint with him was the gratuitous "Green has stopped going to class" bit in that earlier article - clearly not true based on multiple student eyewitness reports and a disservice to Jeff Green and the program notwithstanding Barker's contention that "privately, he had made his decision long before the Hoyas took the floor in the Final Four."
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Post by casualhoya on May 25, 2007 10:24:58 GMT -5
i think this is a great write-up with sharp analysis of next year's rotation and roy's value to the team...though i will say i was a bit miffed that he didn't mention wallace as an end-of-game option.
camille could never write something like this, because she simply does not know hoops.
she may know sources at georgetown who give her leads, but she doesn't know hoops.
casually.
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Post by Hoya50 on May 25, 2007 11:29:52 GMT -5
I'm personally waiting for the front of the Times sports section to have an in depth article on minivans. did someone say minivan? i'll be glad to provide barker with some minivan minutiae. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2007 12:50:40 GMT -5
Camille is a hampster, and Barker smells of elderberries.
Let's be honest, people... they both suck. The Times AND Post could both stand to up their Hoya coverage quite a bit.
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Post by MCIGuy on May 25, 2007 13:23:25 GMT -5
Jeez. MCI, just ask him out on a date already. I guess I'm still gathering the courage. Seriously, do you think Jeff staying in the draft and Roy returning to GU is the biggest breaking news at Gtown in years? You have to be kidding, guru. I'll admit that Barker, who was on another assignment at the time, did get beat to the scoop by Camille (a great job by her by the way), but that was bound to happen eventually. Especially considering the WPost's resources in comparison to the Times. Plus the pure and simple- truth is that Barker has broken more stories and provided more insight for the Hoyas these past few years than Camille (who nonetheless is doing an increasingly excellent job herself). However I too can't deny he appears to have been off his game this past month. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 25, 2007 14:41:56 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what makes MCI say we all thought Jeff was staying for his senior year. I know that the feeling on campus seemed to be that he would be gone after this year, going all the way back to Midnight Madness. I don't think very many people expected to see him back for his senior year, although I haven't gone through the archives reading old posts, so maybe the opinions on this board were a little more optimistic than the student body.
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