Next Years Starting Lineup

[mrsixer123]

Imo, who starts is really a non issue. Coach makes changes based on the opponent. Pat, jr wont start, but he will be in the game at the end.

The only players who will be on the floor regardless of the opponent or situation is jwall and dajuan

Imo, The 5 on the floor during the stretch run of the title game will be:

Chris
Jwall
Roy
Pat
Dajuan

[SoCal Hoya85]

As much as I think Vernon would make a good PF I would bet a considerable amount that he doesn't start opposite of Roy. Maybe in JT Jr.'s days but III's Princeton offense seems to value shooters, slashers, and versatility which Pat brings. A lot of people underestimate Pat's stroke but he has the ability to shoot 40% if he makes good decisions.

Can anyone see Vernon at the PF when we are starting to recruiting Centers (Sims) who can shoot? I do still think Vernon will get some good burn however.

[HometownHoya]

Begining of the season:
Jwall
Sapp
Crawford
DaJuan
Roy

End:
Chris
JWall
Sapp
DaJuan
Roy

[GIGAFAN99]

For the first time ever we will get a starting lineup right on this board!

Wallace, Sapp, Summers, Ewing, Hibbert

Almost no doubt. Want some numbers?

Jeff in-conference: 15.1ppg 5.4rpg 3.5apg 50.5%FG 39.3%3-Pt

Pat in-conference scaled for Jeff's minutes: 10.2ppg 4.5rpg 2.5apg 56%FG 50%3-pt

Surprised? Don't be. Pat is a better passer than you think (he had almost as many assists as Summers in half the time). He's not Jeff, but with the rest of the starters returning with more experience including the "jump" Dajuan makes in his second year, he doesn't have to be.

I can see Vernon at the 4 across from Roy, but I can't see a scenario where Pat doesn't start.

[mapei]

Pat replacing Jeff is a big drop IMO. Which is meant much more as a compliment to Jeff than a knock on Pat. Pat has athleticism and instinct but he doesn't have poise, or the great feel for the game that Jeff had. I see big upside in Vernon but you all may be right that he isn't suited to the 4 with Roy as the 5. His minutes last year almost always came with Roy out. But unless Roy gets a lot better with staying out of foul trouble and getting winded, he will get plenty of time next year.

No way that Wallace, Sapp and Summers don't all start. These new guys are good, no doubt, but not that good, and not that experienced in the system. I just watched the UNC game again tonight, and Jessie was amazingly good, with some incredible bullet passes. DaJuan is a big-time offensive talent. It may be harder for Rivers to find minutes, though, which is too bad since he really improved during the season last year. And it's very hard to see any time for Tyler.

[TBird41]

socalhoya85 said:

As much as I think Vernon would make a good PF I would bet a considerable amount that he doesn't start opposite of Roy. Maybe in JT Jr.'s days but III's Princeton offense seems to value shooters, slashers, and versatility which Pat brings. A lot of people underestimate Pat's stroke but he has the ability to shoot 40% if he makes good decisions.

Can anyone see Vernon at the PF when we are starting to recruiting Centers (Sims) who can shoot? I do still think Vernon will get some good burn however.

I bet we see some Vernon and Roy on teh floor toegther , not because of Vernon's perimeter ability, but because of Roy's. If the 7'2 Experience can turn the 18 footer into a consistent weapon and add in a few drives (with that beauuutiful spin move), he has the passing skills to play the Princeton center. I wouldn't advocate doing it to much, but it'd be a good wrinkle for JT3 to add, as it would force coaches to change up their Roy in the post focused defenses and give Macklin a chance for more minutes.

[HoyaChris]

mrsixer123 said:

Imo, who starts is really a non issue. Coach makes changes based on the opponent. Pat, jr wont start, but he will be in the game at the end.

The only players who will be on the floor regardless of the opponent or situation is jwall and dajuan

Imo, The 5 on the floor during the stretch run of the title game will be:

Chris
Jwall
Roy
Pat
Dajuan

I'm not so sure that I would count on Jon being on the floor in key defensive situations. As we got later into the year, Rivers often assumed the defensive stopper role and was clearly better at it than Jon.

[HealyHoya]

Any suggested starting lineup that doesn't include ALL FOUR RETURNING STARTERS FROM OUR FINAL FOUR TEAM is preposterous. Absurd.

Rainmaker
Sapp
Summers
Experience

Stop talking about anyone else starting at either guard spot. Does anyone on this board lack confidence in either Wallace or Sapp? Seriously? What more do these guys have to do before HT freakin' posters get behind them? Good Lord.

The only open spot is the 4. At this point, the best player on the men's basketball team at that position is Patrick. He's a senior. He saw the Final Four. He's been there. He's developed. Learned. If he wants the spot, it's his.

Other Possibilities:

III runs a three-guard line-up. Smallish. Pushes Dajuan to the 4. Patrick on bench.
III goes big. Roy with Vernon at the 4. Dajuan or Patrick at the 3.

[lichoya68]

I AGREE THAT FREEMAN WILL BE STARTING IN THE BIG EASY AND LETS NOT FORGET THE COACH SAID HE WAS STUBBORN AND KINDA BLEW IT NOT USING TYLER SOOOOOO EWING BEST AS THE ENERGIZER BUNNY SIXTH MAN GOHOYAS IS IT NOVEMBER YET WWOWOWOOW AND KENNER LEAGUE YET WWOWOWOOWOO ;D ;D ;D ;D

[nathanhm]

HealyHoya,

Whare you talking about, our backcourt is overrated. You think just because they outperformed almost every guard duo they faced this season including UNC in the final 4 they should start again?

Umm, they were not invited to any burger games and didn't have as many Rival stars as other guys on our team. Everyone knows if you want to win championships you have to play the roster with the most Rivals stars & HS All Star game appearances!

Thats why I propose we play:

Sapp (4 stars) ** weak link of the starting 5, a low 4 star player **
Wright (4 stars)
Freeman (5 stars)
Summers (5 stars)
Macklin (4 stars)

Then we can bring Ewing (3 stars) off as the 6th man, then Rivers (3 stars), and Roy (low 3 star) & Jon (Rivals never heard of him, he must suck) can get cleanup minutes in our blowouts.

[AvantGuardHoya]

nathanhm said:

HealyHoya,

Whare you talking about, our backcourt is overrated. You think just because they outperformed almost every guard duo they faced this season including UNC in the final 4 they should start again?

Umm, they were not invited to any burger games and didn't have as many Rival stars as other guys on our team. Everyone knows if you want to win championships you have to play the roster with the most Rivals stars & HS All Star game appearances!

Thats why I propose we play:

Sapp (4 stars) ** weak link of the starting 5, a low 4 star player **
Wright (4 stars)
Freeman (5 stars)
Summers (5 stars)
Macklin (4 stars)

Then we can bring Ewing (3 stars) off as the 6th man, then Rivers (3 stars), and Roy (low 3 star) & Jon (Rivals never heard of him, he must suck) can get cleanup minutes in our blowouts.

Keep it up, nathanhm, you might develop into a threat to Frank Black....

[kghoya]

i will be interested to see how much time roy and vernon spend on the floor together...

it wasnt very much last season...

i would like ewing to continue to come off of the bench...

hes a good player and provides so much energy...

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

V Mack is going to have to come strong as Roy & PE are foul prone. Get another twenty pounds on him and we roll.