blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 20, 2007 0:40:14 GMT -5
So its late in the evening and here I am still obsessing on the Green and Hibbert situation (i know, i know..don't say it.. i need to get a life). That said, if you could choose to have either Hibbert or Green comeback for their senior season... who would go with? I think I'd have to go with Hibbs. Even though Green may be one of my favorite Hoyas ever, and while he is also the catalyst of the Princeton Offense... I think Hibbs presents more match up problems, impacts the game to a greater degree on the defensive side of the court, and has more upside potential over the course of of his last year. While Green's progress has been steady and he's developed all the intangibles, his progress has been somewhat on the slow side when you look at his season averages over his career. Hibbert's improvement year after year however may be at a faster rate than any other player in the college game. Any thought?
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 20, 2007 0:59:18 GMT -5
id rather have hibbert come back...hes a killer matchup problem for everybody although i wouldnt mind have both come back and go wire to wire number one either...
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krey23
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Post by krey23 on Apr 20, 2007 1:10:15 GMT -5
If Roy can hone that 18 footer that he sunk against O. St. then I'd say there's no one in the country who can stop him. A sick jumper added to the repertoire of the most efficient offensive player in the nation? How 'bout them apples
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krey23
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Post by krey23 on Apr 20, 2007 1:10:39 GMT -5
Oh...he's also 7' 2" in case no one noticed
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geedell
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Post by geedell on Apr 20, 2007 1:53:42 GMT -5
I'm CONVINCED Roy will be national player of the year if he comes back next season. There's my answer.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 20, 2007 7:04:40 GMT -5
love both want both back to be undeafeated but hibbs the one over jeff want hibbs seven foot and talented and getting better we got alot of 6 8 69 guys who aint jeff and cant replace him but we go alot ot those BOTH COME BACK go to the alamo.. GET THE RING GO HOYAS ;D
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Post by pr20 on Apr 20, 2007 7:16:10 GMT -5
Jeff should not come back without Roy. Having that 7 footer makes it a little easier for Jeff to roam and not have people double as much. Plus Dajuan is going to take more shots next year and that will also affect Jeff statistically. Not that he wouldn't have a fine season, but I think it will give scouts more reasons to cut his game apart. Why doesnt he should more?, why doesnt he avg 20? etc
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 20, 2007 7:38:17 GMT -5
This is moot, they're both coming back. I'll be back, gotta stir my kool-aid...
mmmm, tasty
Ahh, to be honest, with either guy, we retain a front line that will be the envy of all but a handful of teams in the country. Presuming continued development from Macklin, Summers and Ewing, either Jeff or Roy would assure that no team would have a great advantage in the paint. Roy stays, we have the nuclear option down low offensively, as well as true defensive intimidation. If Jeff stays, JT3 and the rest of the guys have their security blankie, Jeff is the glue that stirs the drink. Maybe Dajuan can step into his role, or Pat, or maybe with Austin and Chris, we flat will have the talent not to miss his flow ability.
Either way, even neither way, the Georgetown Hoyas are back at the top of NCAA B-Ball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2007 7:41:48 GMT -5
Green in a landslide.
He makes EVERYONE better, including Roy. I love Roy, but watch what happens when teams don't have to worry about Green and can collapse a zillion defenders on Roy every time down the court. Green's the PERFECT fit for the offense at its most important position, and I don't care what any of you say about another year of development for Summers or Macklin or Ewing or anyone who might fill Green's role, there's ZERO CHANCE IN HELL they provide what Green does.
Losing Roy would hurt bad, but the team would still have its most dynamic player. I've seen the offense (and defense) play well with Roy on the bench. Can't think of many times I've said the same thing with Green out. I mean no disrespect to Roy, who has become one of my favorite Hoyas ever and has easily developed as much (if not more) than any Hoya has over the course of his career on The Hilltop, but Green brings so much to this team its ridiculous.
The real problem is they work so well together in tandem, and one picks up the other (and the team) when the other is down, that losing EITHER of them is going to have a huge impact. The argument could EASILY be made either way. Personal preference, I guess... and I prefer Green.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Apr 20, 2007 7:51:26 GMT -5
If Green returns, and Hibbs stays in the draft, would Macklin start at center? Without very little evidence, I'm convinced Macklin will explode into a great all around player next season. So I'd like to see Green stay, if only one can.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 20, 2007 7:54:56 GMT -5
Green in a landslide. He makes EVERYONE better, including Roy. I love Roy, but watch what happens when teams don't have to worry about Green and can collapse a zillion defenders on Roy every time down the court. Green's the PERFECT fit for the offense at its most important position, and I don't care what any of you say about another year of development for Summers or Macklin or Ewing or anyone who might fill Green's role, there's ZERO CHANCE IN HELL they provide what Green does. Losing Roy would hurt bad, but the team would still have its most dynamic player. I've seen the offense (and defense) play well with Roy on the bench. Can't think of many times I've said the same thing with Green out. I mean no disrespect to Roy, who has become one of my favorite Hoyas ever and has easily developed as much (if not more) than any Hoya has over the course of his career on The Hilltop, but Green brings so much to this team its ridiculous. The real problem is they work so well together in tandem, and one picks up the other (and the team) when the other is down, that losing EITHER of them is going to have a huge impact. The argument could EASILY be made either way. Personal preference, I guess... and I prefer Green. I think the addition of Wright and Freeman would help negate some of the effect on Roy from Green leaving, since teams would have to respect their shooting (along w/ J-Wall and an improved Sapp and Rivers). And it's not like teams didn't collapse a zillion defenders on Roy all year last year (and when they didn't, he DESTROYED them). I'm not so sure that they would be as useful in negating the effect of Roy's loss. Team's ALWAYS had to worry about the fact they had no one who could physically handle Roy by themselves. Jeff did a lot for the offense, but he wasn't the match up problem that Roy was for every team the Hoyas played (except Ohio St./Pitt). In the end, I think there's something to be said for the effect that both players had on the others' game. And Jeff may have been more valuable last year, but I think what Roy did for Jeff was underrated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2007 8:18:26 GMT -5
I think the addition of Wright and Freeman would help negate some of the effect on Roy from Green leaving, Two guys who won't start all season? C'mon now...
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 20, 2007 8:22:24 GMT -5
I think the addition of Wright and Freeman would help negate some of the effect on Roy from Green leaving, Two guys who won't start all season? C'mon now... That's a good point. They obviously won't be able to contribute until they get the offense down sometime around the start of Big East play in 2009...
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Post by aggypryd on Apr 20, 2007 8:30:24 GMT -5
Jeff has to go, Roy needs to stay.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 20, 2007 8:45:58 GMT -5
We can sorta replace Jeff's skills, with the exception of his passing. We can't replace Roys shot blocking, post defense, rebounding, or post offense. I'd also expect Roy to improve more over the offseason.
Edit - and if Green leaves, Freeman very well could start at some point.
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 20, 2007 8:52:28 GMT -5
I don't see either Chris or Austin being end of the bench afterthoughts next year. They are both 'players'. Obviously, if both Jeff and Roy return, there will be less minutes to go around. We would find out for sure the maximum rotation III is willing to consider for his team going forward. By February, we could be looking at John Thompson the Third's Flying Circus...
Fear would not be a strong enough word...
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Post by Locker on Apr 20, 2007 8:52:53 GMT -5
This Georgetown team was outstanding in three areas: shooting a high percentage on two-pointers (2nd in the nation), rebounding misses on the offensive end (8th in the nation), and contesting shots on the defensive end (10th in both block percentage and effective FG% against).
Roy led the nation in 2-point shooting percentage, was in the Top 20 in offensive rebounding percentage while no other Hoya made the Top 500, and was in the Top 20 in block percentage.
It was not a coincidence that Roy excelled at what this team did best.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 20, 2007 8:59:07 GMT -5
you can almost imagine hoyaeighties chomping at the bit to respond to Blo drinking the hatorade on Roy...
I would have to say Roy - for the reasons everyone laid out already. He is the type of soft-hands true center that comes around once in a blue moon. I still will never forgive the whistle-happy editeds who ruined the matchup between two true centers in the national semifinal.
jeff has an all-around type game, but i honestly could see young jeezy develop into that mold with hard work in the offseason. there is a reason that he is being projected in the '08 draft. the kid has got skillz.
as for af and cw i think the YB school of "it takes two years to learn the offense" is bogus. if the kids can ball on this level, then they will get every opportunity to be the difference maker. There is no reason freeman, as a top 10 talent, shouldn't be expected to step in by midseason and be a baller...i am not saying it is definitely going to happen, but some recruits get acclimated faster than others...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 20, 2007 9:13:43 GMT -5
I think this discussion is kind of silly, since it isn't like we can only take one back. That said...
Roy's an incredibly efficient scorer. He's our best rebounder. His defense effect, IMO, is huge -- there's nothing like a 7' clogging up the middle.
That said, I'm with Buffalo. Jeff makes this offense run. Everything goes through him and the reason why it runs so well is him.
That doesn't mean that the offense will never be as good or that we need to find a perfect Jeff replacement. But it does mean this team will struggle to find an identity and struggle to find the best new way to run the offense without him. Roy is a finisher. Jeff is a starter. I think the team has a TON of finishers on it -- but we don't really have a lot of starters.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 20, 2007 10:24:19 GMT -5
Well put Buffalo and SFHoya.
All I care about are results and what I saw this year and last is when Green struggles we stink and when Roy struggles we usually find a a way to win. We need look no further than the OSU game, Roy was fantastic but we lost going away because Green had a tough outing. There are several other examples from this past season we could look at with the same results. Also, Green is the man with game on the line, not Roy. When all you look at is results, to me, there is no discussion who our MVP is
Also, about Roy being an impossible match-up --- we are selling Green short. Green actually is every bit the match-up nightmare Roy is. Green is 6'9" and can play any position on the floor at a college level. If that is not the definition of an indefensible match-up, I don't know what is.
Listen, I love Roy and I wish both will come back, but if I had to say who we will miss the most next year, it is not even close - Jeff Green.
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