DaJuan Summers

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Hi Guys!!

I was looking through the mock NBA drafts and found one for 2008. Believe it or not Dajuan Summers was listed #18.

My question to all of you who probably remember better than I do;

How does Dajuan as a freshman compare to Jeff Green when he was a freshman??

I can't wait to see him next year. He's going to be awsome!!

Jerry

[jacko]

DaJaun this year:

Better scorer, but not as polished with the all-around offensive game
Not quite as good defensively, but not seriously lacking
Playing with a lot less pressure to be the star

Compared with Jeff 2 years ago

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

The better question is how was the draft in Jeff's sophmore season compared to the draft in Summers' sophmore season?

[paranoya]

I remember Jeff being much better defensively, rebounding, and with his back to the basket, obviously, Dajuan has a much better shot from outside.

Basically if you are weak at anything Jeff is/was probably better in that area and these are Dajuan's overall weaknesses in my opinion.

[SFHoya99]

stpetersburghoya said:

The better question is how was the draft in Jeff's sophmore season compared to the draft in Summers' sophmore season?

The draft in Jeff's sophomore season was and is considered one of the worst ever.

Structurally, it should be so. All the top high schoolers from the previous years came out, so the college ranks were thinned, but no high schoolers were allowed in. The draft basically lost players like Durant, Oden, Darrell Arthur, Spencer Hawes, etc., but had no freshman to speak of coming out either, like this year will.

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Jeff was a much better player than DaJuan his freshman year. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player more completely ready to play day one than Jeff.

Jeff had the shot, many of his low post moves, the ability to pass, etc. Over time, he's really improved his shot, his handle and his repetiore of moves, but he had a lot to go to in the beginning.

What DaJuan has on Jeff is that he has more of a perimeter game already. Better handle, IMO, and a more natural shot -- Jeff was more of a set shooter and in some ways still is. He's not as effective mostly because he doesn't have Jeff's knowledge of what a good shot is. But that aside, while Jeff will get branded with tweener, DaJuan's skill set screams "3" while his body also says "3". No tweener there.

[miracles87]

Jeff had a dynamite first year. I think its fair to say that it is unfair to compare the two as frosh, being as Jeff was thrust into the fire as a starter who must produce for the team to succeed, whereas Dajuan was always kind of a role player. That said, Dajuan is a bad man, and should our early entrants stay entered, the main reason I feel we will still be one nasty team by February '08.

Still, I will never ever forget the quarters of the BET Jeff's freshman year, when the Hoyas had the ball at the end of the game, down two, with Jeff green wide open at the top of the key, at the ready to stroke the three for the win. The Hoyas had pulled off nothing less than a David Copperfield magic act to be in that position at that point. Ashanti Cook, who was flat brilliant for most of the game, chose to take a contested fadeaway, with the best possible outcome being a five minute OT against a vastly more deep and talented squad. I love Ashanti, but I know the ultra clutch Jeff Green hits that shot, beats UConn and gets us dancing. Based on that moment, which never happened, except in my mind, I would say Jeff was the better frosh.

[mrsixer123]

jeff => heart

dajuan => God given talent

[bubbrubbhoya]

Jeff's hair was better than DaJuan's freshman year.

[FairfaxHoya]

mrsixer123 said:

jeff => heart

dajuan => God given talent

mrsixer ==> strange and totally subjective comparisons

[GIGAFAN99]

sfhoya99 said:

stpetersburghoya said:

The better question is how was the draft in Jeff's sophmore season compared to the draft in Summers' sophmore season?

The draft in Jeff's sophomore season was and is considered one of the worst ever.

Structurally, it should be so. All the top high schoolers from the previous years came out, so the college ranks were thinned, but no high schoolers were allowed in. The draft basically lost players like Durant, Oden, Darrell Arthur, Spencer Hawes, etc., but had no freshman to speak of coming out either, like this year will.

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Jeff was a much better player than DaJuan his freshman year. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player more completely ready to play day one than Jeff.

Jeff had the shot, many of his low post moves, the ability to pass, etc. Over time, he's really improved his shot, his handle and his repetiore of moves, but he had a lot to go to in the beginning.

What DaJuan has on Jeff is that he has more of a perimeter game already. Better handle, IMO, and a more natural shot -- Jeff was more of a set shooter and in some ways still is. He's not as effective mostly because he doesn't have Jeff's knowledge of what a good shot is. But that aside, while Jeff will get branded with tweener, DaJuan's skill set screams "3" while his body also says "3". No tweener there.

Agreed on that last point. Dajuan right now can shoot, and that's from anywhere. His defense, shot selection, and ability to create off the dribble will be what this summer is about. And when that happens he is exactly an NBA three.

I was surprised how well his three skills translated and how poorly his PF skills did. He could play 3 or 4 in college on size alone but he has pretty much no post game for the NBA level and I really don't see him getting one.

But he doesn't need one if he develops his face-up game like he's on track to do.

[mrsixer123]

doogie said:

mrsixer123 said:

jeff => heart

dajuan => God given talent

mrsixer ==> strange and totally subjective comparisons

Hoya talk board = forum for subjective opinions

[AustinHoya03]

miracles87 said:

Jeff had a dynamite first year. I think its fair to say that it is unfair to compare the two as frosh, being as Jeff was thrust into the fire as a starter who must produce for the team to succeed, whereas Dajuan was always kind of a role player. That said, Dajuan is a bad man, and should our early entrants stay entered, the main reason I feel we will still be one nasty team by February '08.

That was my first thought, too. However, I was a little surprised when I looked at the stats. DaJuan shot the ball much more than I thought. However, he was still #5 in shots taken, whereas Jeff was #3 his freshman year. When comparing the stats consider that Summers played in 5 more games his freshman year than Green.

[mrsixer123]

austinhoya03 said:

miracles87 said:

Jeff had a dynamite first year. I think its fair to say that it is unfair to compare the two as frosh, being as Jeff was thrust into the fire as a starter who must produce for the team to succeed, whereas Dajuan was always kind of a role player. That said, Dajuan is a bad man, and should our early entrants stay entered, the main reason I feel we will still be one nasty team by February '08.

That was my first thought, too. However, I was a little surprised when I looked at the stats. DaJuan shot the ball much more than I thought. However, he was still #5 in shots taken, whereas Jeff was #3 his freshman year. When comparing the stats consider that Summers played in 5 more games his freshman year than Green.

Jeff did not play on a FF team his freshman year, dejuan did

The talent on this yrs team was such that a freshman should not be expected to take a significant amt of attempts. Jeff, jwall, roy and jsapp earned the right to take a shot when thought it was needed, dejuan had not.

To his credit, dejuan accepted his role and bailed us out of several close games. IMO he will be better than jeff

As for his 3 pt stroke, he was lethal beyond the arc in HS which is why he was a top priority for unc until his eligibility became a concern

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

mrsixer123 said:

IMO he will be better than jeff

I really hope that you are right about that because I arleady consider Jeff in my top 5 GU players of all-time (its not a ranking and I don't want to get into the best players of all time ranking thing) but if Summers really is better than Jeff - watch out.

[ExcitableBoy]

bubbrubbhoya said:

Jeff's hair was better than DaJuan's freshman year.

Clarification:

Freshman Year Jeff's top of head hair was better than DaJuan's.

DaJuan's moustache/chin beard far outshone Jeff's.

[aggypryd]

If DaJuan keeps on working on his game, we'll be having the same conversations about him after his junior year that we're currently having about Jeff and Roy.

I like Dajuan's fire...he made freshman mistakes, but I expect him to mature and do well for Georgetown.

[mapei]

I think I saw Jeff's first game at Verizon as a freshman. He blocked six shots. No way DaJuan touches Jeff as a defensive player.

[blueandgray]

An interesting question.... although difficult to answer given they play different positions. Jeff was clearly the more well rounded player. That said, DuJuan seemed more willing to step up and take the big shot. If I had to compare DuJuan to another freshman... it would have to Reggie in '84. Although Reggie was a stronger rebouder than DuJuan... they played similar roles, took big shots, and both played solid in the tournament (minus DuJuan's game vs. Ohio St.)
As Far as Dujuan getting drafted after his sophmore season... it really depends on whether he can develop his mid-range game and add a little muscle. If he does, he will be unguardable in college.

[blueandgray]

An interesting question.... although difficult to answer given they play different positions. Jeff was clearly the more well rounded player. That said, DuJuan seemed more willing to step up and take the big shot. If I had to compare DuJuan to another freshman... it would have to Reggie in '84. Although Reggie was a stronger rebouder than DuJuan... they played similar roles, took big shots, and both played solid in the tournament (minus DuJuan's game vs. Ohio St.)
As Far as Dujuan getting drafted after his sophmore season... it really depends on whether he can develop his mid-range game and add a little muscle. If he does, he will be unguardable in college.

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thanks for the feedback guys!!

Jerry