bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Apr 15, 2007 17:52:50 GMT -5
Back to the point of the thread - McLain or some other late signing center would not get very many minutes next year anyway. Thompson would play Ewing at center before he would play a freshman project, in much the same way that Green moved from forward to center when Hibbert was out. It is very early for fair-weather fans to be falling off the bandwagon. Have a little faith that the coach and the team will put in the work to prepare for next season. Ewing and Macklin know that this is their time and they will respond to the challenge just as Wallace and Sapp disproved all the doubters this season.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 15, 2007 17:54:47 GMT -5
need a good big seven foot center for when roy GRADUATES go hoyas go seven footer somebody out there sure jt3 is working go hoyas ;D
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 17:58:38 GMT -5
you are entitled to your opinion. i am entitled to mine. difference being i dont personally attack you for your opinion. i am happy for you that you will be overjoyed if we make the sweet 16 next year. maybe im too close to thi thing and i realize what a huge positive impact a championship will have on hoops and georgetown univeristy overall if we win a national championship will be versus just making the sweet 16. maybe i realize the financial implications more. maybe i realize that we will be able to more easily afford paying the III and improving the hoops facilities. maybe i realize the impact it will have on recruiting. maybe i realize how hungry III wants a title. maybe i realize the enormous impact it will have on attracting students to georgetown and our selectivity rate when we are heading into poor demographics shortly. maybe i realize the impact it has on alumni giving. maybe i just know more and therefore am more emotional invested. or maybe i am the negative nancy freak you say i am. who knows. your entitled to your opinion. just maybe consider going easy on others when you dont agree with theirs cause you dont know it all. A Nat'l Championship is better for the school and the bball program than a Sweet Sixteen? No **** Sherlock. That doesn't mean a Sweet 16 would be a failure for the program. i never mentioned failure. that was SF who did. im talking about disappointment. kinda like how i felt when we blew the 12 point lead with 4 minutes left against UCONN in the 1996 BET finals. but this time its a much more sad and resigned "oh what could have been" type disappointment than the wretched "why did we go 4 corners" disgust disappointment.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 15, 2007 18:20:36 GMT -5
Seriously Pope, watch out. I once saw him scissor-kick Angela Lansbury.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 15, 2007 19:17:20 GMT -5
Back to the point of the thread - McLain or some other late signing center would not get very many minutes next year anyway. Thompson would play Ewing at center before he would play a freshman project, in much the same way that Green moved from forward to center when Hibbert was out. It is very early for fair-weather fans to be falling off the bandwagon. Have a little faith that the coach and the team will put in the work to prepare for next season. Ewing and Macklin know that this is their time and they will respond to the challenge just as Wallace and Sapp disproved all the doubters this season. Great post. And for all those who are wondering how in the world we could possibly even get by with only 3 big guys, remember that the last 2 seasons pretty much our entire frontcourt was Bowman, Green, and Hibbert. One SF long enough to play PF, one 6'8 forward who was athletic enough to play some center, and one developing but legit big man. Compare that to Summers, Ewing, and Macklin--one SF long enough to play PF, one 6'8 athletic forward capable of playing some center, and one developing but legit big man.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2007 19:59:02 GMT -5
Seriously Pope, watch out. I once saw him scissor-kick Angela Lansbury. Yeah, but that skank deserved it.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 15, 2007 20:10:30 GMT -5
I still do think we'd be a little thin up front in terms of depth. We'd be much like we were in 05-06 in that regards. I feel like there might be little point in picking up a stopgap for a year tho. If we get a couple of the people who's names have been bandied around for 08 (Dunigan, Sims, Samuels, Hamga), along with Braswell, we'll have a lot of bigs. Maybe too many if we go after another person in 07.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 16, 2007 3:10:40 GMT -5
Obviously we are thin up front and just as obviously we could use McLain -- or someone like him. The argument that it takes one year in the program before he (or anyone else) would be ready applies to the 2008/09 season just as much as the 2007/08 season.
Here's another thought... what if DaJuan, Pat or Vernon got hurt? What if they get in foul trouble? We need some depth and some size... and the sooner McLain is ready to play, the better. OK... it was out of necessity... but Jeff and Roy started every game as freshmen. Dajuan started every -- or almost every - this season.
Somehow, I think JT3 has already considered all of these scenarios and already has a game plan for what he wants to do. It's fun to speculate, but does anyone really believe the staff hasn't already been on top of this for quite a while? We'll be fine. We have GREAT talent on the team coming back. And we have a great coach who will also hire some outstanding new assistants.
All we need to do as fans is to be a little patient and have some faith.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 16, 2007 5:53:58 GMT -5
our rebounding was horrendous at times with roy and jeff...i can't imagine what it would be without them.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 16, 2007 7:22:34 GMT -5
our rebounding was horrendous at times with roy and jeff...i can't imagine what it would be without them. That's a little oversold. I mean our offensive boarding was somewhere between "great" and "best in the country" most of the time and our defensive rebounding was pretty good and really good considering the number of blocks we got. Sure there were lapses, but there always are. And yes, it's a concern if they both leave who mans the boards but we'd probably fall from "great" to "pretty good" overall not mediocre to bad.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 16, 2007 7:30:04 GMT -5
The McClain ship has sailed. He's pretty much 90% certain to go to Cincinatti and is waiting to see what Thabeet does only because the school is close to home and his family would be able to see him play. He was always interested in us obviously but he's been "brainwashed" by people around to resent the fact that he's been expressing interest in us for so long yet we tendered offers to other players before him.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Apr 16, 2007 8:53:09 GMT -5
Trust the coaches. If both guys go, they will get a big body to play post defense and rebound to steal a few minutes in cases of foul trouble, but unless the new guy is much better than expected, the front line rotation will be Macklin, Ewing, and Summers, with Freeman in the Darrel Owens role when one of those guys is out of the game. If Spann works on his defense, he could earn 5-10 minutes and contribute a couple of fouls per game. Ewing, Summers, Freeman may be a smallish front line when Macklin is out of the game, but they will more than make up for that on the offensive end. We will force the opponents to take out their stiffs and go small.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2007 9:18:43 GMT -5
The offense was already very, very good. Can it get that much better? For this kind of lineup to ever reach the kind of success our big lineup had last year, the smaller, quicker lineup is going to have to make it up with turnovers as well.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Apr 16, 2007 9:31:14 GMT -5
Yes, the offense might be better. They should be at least as good. With more shooters and guards, this team will be harder to zone and harder to press. If opponents play man, the offense will shred them with dunks and open threes. We may not have the individual matchup advantages inside without Roy and Jeff, but we will have very good shooters, penetrators, cutters, and passers.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 17, 2007 0:02:45 GMT -5
Yes, the offense might be better. They should be at least as good. With more shooters and guards, this team will be harder to zone and harder to press. If opponents play man, the offense will shred them with dunks and open threes. We may not have the individual matchup advantages inside without Roy and Jeff, but we will have very good shooters, penetrators, cutters, and passers. Note that just as good means matching the 3rd most efficient offense of the past 4 college seasons. Losing your two best offensive players, only post scorers, and lots of offensive rebounding will be a challenge.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 17, 2007 11:53:03 GMT -5
The offense should be more fluid and provide more open shot opportunities, but I agree our rebounding will be lacking. I am not sold we will make up for that with better shooting and more penetration, but I also seriously doubt a freshman big man fixes that gap.
I am confident JT3 will adapt his offense to the personnel. Less posting up by the big guy (which is not a critical part of a motion offense) and more movement without the ball. I look forward to seeing how scrappy Ewing and Summers can be on the weakside glass off errant jumpshots and I especially look forward to seeing Macklin become our next great big man. He has all the tools, now he needs to build his game.
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Post by hoyas2006 on Apr 17, 2007 12:12:07 GMT -5
IF, and that is a big IF...... mackling, ewing and summers all start, we don't have a guy to come off the bench taller than 6'5" or so
BRING ON BIGGIE!!
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 17, 2007 12:16:48 GMT -5
IF, and that is a big IF...... mackling, ewing and summers all start, we don't have a guy to come off the bench taller than 6'5" or so BRING ON BIGGIE!! Biggie is not coming. The Hoyas stopped recruiting him, and it's too late to start again. You have a better chance of success by continually demanding a new facility on the boards than you do of demanding the Hoyas sign Biggie.
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Post by dajuan on Apr 17, 2007 12:42:28 GMT -5
I wish SFHoya, Cambridge and PopeJohn would have their slap fights on a different thread.
Although I do think it's funny when three people accuse each other of the same negative attribute. Could it be that you're all right?
And by the way SFHoya, there's not much more self-important than chastising a fellow poster because 'like it or not, coaches read this board'. IF they do read this board, it's because they want to see how fans feel about the team. They don't log on for you.
Also, the coaches aren't so fragile as to run out and go get a recruit just because a poster asked them to do so. You do not have the responsibility of protecting the players and coaches from their fans. Get real man, and lighten the eff up.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 17, 2007 12:49:43 GMT -5
I wish SFHoya, Cambridge and PopeJohn would have their slap fights on a different thread. Although I do think it's funny when three people accuse each other of the same negative attribute. Could it be that you're all right? And by the way SFHoya, there's not much more self-important than chastising a fellow poster because 'like it or not, coaches read this board'. IF they do read this board, it's because they want to see how fans feel about the team. They don't log on for you. Also, the coaches aren't so fragile as to run out and go get a recruit just because a poster asked them to do so. You do not have the responsibility of protecting the players and coaches from their fans. Get real man, and lighten the eff up. Why don't you lighten up, since you thought this was so important to get involved in something that's a day old? I don't have the responsibility of anything. Like you, I have an opinion and I can write what I please. I thought Pope John said something ridiculous and said so. You thought I said something ridiculous and said so. So when are you going to chastise yourself for "protecting" Pope John or taking comments on a message board too seriously? These circles always happen on a message board. Fun, huh? Anyhoo, I'm done with the discussion. Feel free to have the last word.
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