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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 15, 2007 8:49:28 GMT -5
call me negative. but if we go from championship favorites to sweet 16 potential, that is huge disappointment in my book and qualifies as falling sky. You're negative.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 15, 2007 10:05:36 GMT -5
You do know that there is absolutely nobody that he's going to work out against that may damage his stock right? The only person that could would be Oden....but he's not working out for anybody except the top 2 teams. Horford is probably not going to work out against anyone because he's a top 4/5 pick. Meaning the only big men that he could potentially work out against is Noah, Hawes, Thabeet, Aaron Gray, etc. Hardly anyone that would show Roy he needs to improve on something.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2007 11:27:10 GMT -5
ah, yes. the ole personal attacks from the narcissists on the board that can stand other people having an opinion different from theres. I'm not sorry, b/c only a child would be so whiny two weeks after going to the Final Four. The Hoyas don't need fans like you. Go root for Kentucky.
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Post by HealyHoya on Apr 15, 2007 11:30:32 GMT -5
You do know that there is absolutely nobody that he's going to work out against that may damage his stock right? The only person that could would be Oden....but he's not working out for anybody except the top 2 teams. Horford is probably not going to work out against anyone because he's a top 4/5 pick. Meaning the only big men that he could potentially work out against is Noah, Hawes, Thabeet, Aaron Gray, etc. Hardly anyone that would show Roy he needs to improve on something. No, this reasoning is myopic. When Hibbert works out for NBA scouts/personnel guys it's almost totally irrelevant who he's going up against vis-a-vis other college bigs. He isn't being evaluated on how well he handles college players (scouts have 3 years of game tape to see that) he's being evaluated on how well he'll be able to handle NBA centers in 6 months. At this point, the analysis being done by the NBA folks isn't whether Roy can hang with/score on/defend/even dominate Noah, Oden, Thabeet et al. It's whether Roy has the game and/or potential (upside) to play with Shaq, Jermaine O'Neil, Duncan, Garnett, Dwight Howard, Big Z, etc. Thabeet's a project. Hawes is a project. Gray is an end-of-the-bench guy. Noah is a Western Conference 3/4 with limited effectiveness in the halfcourt. Roy's downside is his lack of natural athletic ability. He can't jump. He doesn't dunk often enough. He lacks lateral dexterity. He needs to improve his endurance. These weaknesses aren't in relation to Hawes, Thabeet, et al they are in relation to current NBA players at the center position. Another year in college and Roy can continue his improvement in these areas and, IMO, be the #1 overall selection.
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Post by Locker on Apr 15, 2007 11:32:35 GMT -5
That's exactly right, HoyaAtHeart. Roy can get his shot off, and score, against just about anybody when he gets the ball in the post and doesn't face a double team. There's no way I'd take Noah, Hawes, or Thabeet ahead of Roy, and I'd think long and hard before selecting Horford ahead of him.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 15, 2007 13:20:38 GMT -5
call me negative. but if we go from championship favorites to sweet 16 potential, that is huge disappointment in my book and qualifies as falling sky. That is the most ridiculous statement.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 14:17:08 GMT -5
ah, yes. the ole personal attacks from the narcissists on the board that can stand other people having an opinion different from theres. I'm not sorry, b/c not surprising. narcissists are unable to apologize. they categorically cant deal with the possibility that they may be wrong or allow others to have their opinions. and when confronted, they say stuff like: "only a child would be so whiny two weeks after going to the Final Four. The Hoyas don't need fans like you. Go root for Kentucky." 6,000+ posts = get a life
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 14:18:11 GMT -5
call me negative. but if we go from championship favorites to sweet 16 potential, that is huge disappointment in my book and qualifies as falling sky. That is the most ridiculous statement. i think sfhoya can stick up for himself. do you guys like pm each other for help or something???
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 15, 2007 14:32:37 GMT -5
That is the most ridiculous statement. i think sfhoya can stick up for himself. do you guys like pm each other for help or something??? Speaking of narcisistic, paranoid delusionals often develop narcisistic fantasies that there is some sort of conspiracy against them. A sort of persecution complex. I'd say you pretty much fit the bill. Here is my completely independent and original thought process, uninfluenced by SFHoya: We are two weeks out of the most successful season in the last two decades. We are three years removed from the NIT. Prior to this season, the honest expectations were NCAA tournament birth, not the Final Four, not the BET champsionship, etc. We run a fluid, enjoyable offensive structure that allows our talent to feed off each other and only improves each time they take the court. We run an aggressive, effective, fundamental defense that can shut down the most intimidating offenses in the country, Our coach knows how to develop players into complete adults and humanbeings, not to mention first round lottery picks. Our coach has landed some of the top high school players in the country and doesn't seem to be resting on his laurels. In short, to complain about the sky "shattering" because you consider us a Sweet 16 contender, rather than a Title contender comes off as ridiculous. I understand you have high expectations for the program, but yours seem to be outlandish. Just so I've got it clear. Next year, if Roy and Jeff leave, it will be a disappointment if we take a freshman and sophmore driven team to the Sweet 16? We would have Jon, Patrick and Tyler as the only seniors. Jessie as a junior. And a bunch of young cats. And you would be disappointed? I'm sorry, but if Roy and Jeff leave and we make the Sweet 16, I will be overjoyed.
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Post by hoyas2006 on Apr 15, 2007 15:13:55 GMT -5
agree........ sfhoya....... relax!!! everyone has their opinion.
GET MCCLAIN!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2007 15:21:19 GMT -5
agree........ sfhoya....... relax!!! everyone has their opinion. GET MCCLAIN!! The problem I have with people with Pope John is that like it or not, players and coaches read this board. Frankly, these people work too hard to have some ungrateful little snot like him set ridiculous expectations just because they feel some ridiculous sense of entitlement. What have YOU done to deserve a Final Four? A Sweet Sixteen? Do you donate $50,000K plus? $10,000k? Do you volunteer your time to the HHC or Hoyas Unlimited? Do you even organize a game watch in your area? Yes, I know that III likely realizes that this guy is a complete tool -- can you imagine some stranger coming up to you and saying that while they offered nothing to you, they received much enjoyment out of what you did this year, but if you fail to do that again, he'll heckle and yell and call you a loser? But do all the players? Does III even deserve this kind of ridiculous comment, even if he brushes it off? I may need to get a life because I have 6000 posts. Pope John needs to get a life because he's tied his entire happiness apparently to someone else's successes -- and he's bitching about the potential of not reaching his ridiculous goals for someone else. Oh, and as for your comment, MY OPINION is that your opinion, and Pope John's, suck.
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Post by HealyHoya on Apr 15, 2007 15:44:32 GMT -5
agree........ sfhoya....... relax!!! everyone has their opinion. GET MCCLAIN!! The problem I have with people with Pope John is that like it or not, players and coaches read this board. Frankly, these people work too hard to have some ungrateful little snot like him set ridiculous expectations just because they feel some ridiculous sense of entitlement. What have YOU done to deserve a Final Four? A Sweet Sixteen? Do you donate $50,000K plus? $10,000k? Do you volunteer your time to the HHC or Hoyas Unlimited? Do you even organize a game watch in your area? Yes, I know that III likely realizes that this guy is a complete tool -- can you imagine some stranger coming up to you and saying that while they offered nothing to you, they received much enjoyment out of what you did this year, but if you fail to do that again, he'll heckle and yell and call you a loser? But do all the players? Does III even deserve this kind of ridiculous comment, even if he brushes it off? I may need to get a life because I have 6000 posts. Pope John needs to get a life because he's tied his entire happiness apparently to someone else's successes -- and he's bitching about the potential of not reaching his ridiculous goals for someone else. Oh, and as for your comment, MY OPINION is that your opinion, and Pope John's, suck. Oh, damn... Boom Goes The Dynamite!
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 15, 2007 16:00:21 GMT -5
I'd watch out before taking on SFHoya. We once had a party for him. He ate the entire cake before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 15, 2007 17:07:23 GMT -5
don't forget about Michael Dunigan. A top 30 big whose a bull in a china shop. Isn't Dunigan Class of '08? Seems like we're in a position where we may have to wait until mid-June to sign anyone, given the possibility that both Jeff and Roy will pull out of the draft. If we sign someone before the draft withdrawal date, that looks like an indication that our staff knows there won't be 2 players withdrawing from the draft. If we have to wait, JUCO signing seems more likely. And another good reason for a stopgap signing that gets us another big body for the 07/08 roster to be a JUCO signing is that the scholarship would be freed back up quicker than a HS signee's slot would be.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 15, 2007 17:09:23 GMT -5
don't forget about Michael Dunigan. A top 30 big whose a bull in a china shop. Isn't Dunigan Class of '08? Seems like we're in a position where we may have to wait until mid-June to sign anyone, given the possibility that both Jeff and Roy will pull out of the draft. If we sign someone before the draft withdrawal date, that looks like an indication that our staff knows there won't be 2 players withdrawing from the draft. If we have to wait, JUCO signing seems more likely. And another good reason for a stopgap signing that gets us another big body for the 07/08 roster to be a JUCO signing is that the scholarship would be freed back up quicker than a HS signee's slot would be. Not necessarily. Egerson's schollie is not taken by anyone that we know of. Wattad committed as a walk on, and there is nothing that says he got Egerson's 'ship when it came open.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 17:30:02 GMT -5
agree........ sfhoya....... relax!!! everyone has their opinion. GET MCCLAIN!! The problem I have with people with Pope John is that like it or not, players and coaches read this board. Frankly, these people work too hard to have some ungrateful little snot like him set ridiculous expectations just because they feel some ridiculous sense of entitlement. What have YOU done to deserve a Final Four? A Sweet Sixteen? Do you donate $50,000K plus? $10,000k? Do you volunteer your time to the HHC or Hoyas Unlimited? Do you even organize a game watch in your area? Yes, I know that III likely realizes that this guy is a complete tool -- can you imagine some stranger coming up to you and saying that while they offered nothing to you, they received much enjoyment out of what you did this year, but if you fail to do that again, he'll heckle and yell and call you a loser? But do all the players? Does III even deserve this kind of ridiculous comment, even if he brushes it off? I may need to get a life because I have 6000 posts. Pope John needs to get a life because he's tied his entire happiness apparently to someone else's successes -- and he's bitching about the potential of not reaching his ridiculous goals for someone else. Oh, and as for your comment, MY OPINION is that your opinion, and Pope John's, suck. LMAO. there is your typical narcissistic rant. and for your punk--- information SFHOYA, i do qualify for one of your aforementioned items so therefore i guess i have done my part to deserve a Sweet 16 AND a Final Four and therefore i do get to express my serious disappointment if jeff and roy were to leave. and fyi, JTIII does not think im a tool (at least he has not said so to my face). he is quite appreciative and cordial. unlike you, III welcomes opinions of supportive alumni (or at least does a good job acting like he does). but the difference between you and III, and the thing you seem to need to learn, is tolerance. and yes i know, you are not the only one on this board that lacks this.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2007 17:36:18 GMT -5
Right, Pope. I'll believe that when I see proof.
III seems like a polite guy. Then again, I'm sure you're a lot more polite to him in person than the complete jerk you seem to be on here.
You consider when others make the Top 16 a failure and I need to learn tolerance? You're like a six year old.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 17:38:38 GMT -5
i think sfhoya can stick up for himself. do you guys like pm each other for help or something??? Speaking of narcisistic, paranoid delusionals often develop narcisistic fantasies that there is some sort of conspiracy against them. A sort of persecution complex. I'd say you pretty much fit the bill. Here is my completely independent and original thought process, uninfluenced by SFHoya: We are two weeks out of the most successful season in the last two decades. We are three years removed from the NIT. Prior to this season, the honest expectations were NCAA tournament birth, not the Final Four, not the BET champsionship, etc. We run a fluid, enjoyable offensive structure that allows our talent to feed off each other and only improves each time they take the court. We run an aggressive, effective, fundamental defense that can shut down the most intimidating offenses in the country, Our coach knows how to develop players into complete adults and humanbeings, not to mention first round lottery picks. Our coach has landed some of the top high school players in the country and doesn't seem to be resting on his laurels. In short, to complain about the sky "shattering" because you consider us a Sweet 16 contender, rather than a Title contender comes off as ridiculous. I understand you have high expectations for the program, but yours seem to be outlandish. Just so I've got it clear. Next year, if Roy and Jeff leave, it will be a disappointment if we take a freshman and sophmore driven team to the Sweet 16? We would have Jon, Patrick and Tyler as the only seniors. Jessie as a junior. And a bunch of young cats. And you would be disappointed? I'm sorry, but if Roy and Jeff leave and we make the Sweet 16, I will be overjoyed. you are entitled to your opinion. i am entitled to mine. difference being i dont personally attack you for your opinion. i am happy for you that you will be overjoyed if we make the sweet 16 next year. maybe im too close to thi thing and i realize what a huge positive impact a championship will have on hoops and georgetown univeristy overall if we win a national championship will be versus just making the sweet 16. maybe i realize the financial implications more. maybe i realize that we will be able to more easily afford paying the III and improving the hoops facilities. maybe i realize the impact it will have on recruiting. maybe i realize how hungry III wants a title. maybe i realize the enormous impact it will have on attracting students to georgetown and our selectivity rate when we are heading into poor demographics shortly. maybe i realize the impact it has on alumni giving. maybe i just know more and therefore am more emotional invested. or maybe i am the negative nancy freak you say i am. who knows. your entitled to your opinion. just maybe consider going easy on others when you dont agree with theirs cause you dont know it all.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 17:41:09 GMT -5
Right, Pope. I'll believe that when I see proof. III seems like a polite guy. Then again, I'm sure you're a lot more polite to him in person than the complete jerk you seem to be on here. You consider when others make the Top 16 a failure and I need to learn tolerance? You're like a six year old. you want proof? you want proof? you cant handle the proof! (and dont deserve it either) the proof will make you cry and i dont think it will make a difference.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 15, 2007 17:47:42 GMT -5
Speaking of narcisistic, paranoid delusionals often develop narcisistic fantasies that there is some sort of conspiracy against them. A sort of persecution complex. I'd say you pretty much fit the bill. Here is my completely independent and original thought process, uninfluenced by SFHoya: We are two weeks out of the most successful season in the last two decades. We are three years removed from the NIT. Prior to this season, the honest expectations were NCAA tournament birth, not the Final Four, not the BET champsionship, etc. We run a fluid, enjoyable offensive structure that allows our talent to feed off each other and only improves each time they take the court. We run an aggressive, effective, fundamental defense that can shut down the most intimidating offenses in the country, Our coach knows how to develop players into complete adults and humanbeings, not to mention first round lottery picks. Our coach has landed some of the top high school players in the country and doesn't seem to be resting on his laurels. In short, to complain about the sky "shattering" because you consider us a Sweet 16 contender, rather than a Title contender comes off as ridiculous. I understand you have high expectations for the program, but yours seem to be outlandish. Just so I've got it clear. Next year, if Roy and Jeff leave, it will be a disappointment if we take a freshman and sophmore driven team to the Sweet 16? We would have Jon, Patrick and Tyler as the only seniors. Jessie as a junior. And a bunch of young cats. And you would be disappointed? I'm sorry, but if Roy and Jeff leave and we make the Sweet 16, I will be overjoyed. you are entitled to your opinion. i am entitled to mine. difference being i dont personally attack you for your opinion. i am happy for you that you will be overjoyed if we make the sweet 16 next year. maybe im too close to thi thing and i realize what a huge positive impact a championship will have on hoops and georgetown univeristy overall if we win a national championship will be versus just making the sweet 16. maybe i realize the financial implications more. maybe i realize that we will be able to more easily afford paying the III and improving the hoops facilities. maybe i realize the impact it will have on recruiting. maybe i realize how hungry III wants a title. maybe i realize the enormous impact it will have on attracting students to georgetown and our selectivity rate when we are heading into poor demographics shortly. maybe i realize the impact it has on alumni giving. maybe i just know more and therefore am more emotional invested. or maybe i am the negative nancy freak you say i am. who knows. your entitled to your opinion. just maybe consider going easy on others when you dont agree with theirs cause you dont know it all. A Nat'l Championship is better for the school and the bball program than a Sweet Sixteen? No **** Sherlock. That doesn't mean a Sweet 16 would be a failure for the program.
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