hoyas2006
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Post by hoyas2006 on Apr 14, 2007 17:44:44 GMT -5
i hope JTIII is on the phone with him as we speak! we will have serious height issues next year coming off the bench.
i am assuming the rotation will be sapp wallace summers macklin ewing jr
with rivers, wright and freeman off the bench.
we need more height!!
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 14, 2007 18:35:00 GMT -5
Put Roy in your starting rotation.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 14, 2007 18:45:20 GMT -5
need a seven footer when roy GRADUATES SO GET ONE NOW.. i think id like to sseee roy and jeff stay but almost need roy more alot of 68 and 69 guys not jeff but alot of em and austin is 64like a freaking tight end it seems inside and out sooooooooo jeff and roy both stay but at least roy roy roy please and then get a seven footer now to work in at georgetown the center building mcdonough summer time mouring ewing deke sweets..et.cetc. etc. go hoyas need a sevenfooter for tradition 2008 will be great ;D
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Hordac
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Post by Hordac on Apr 14, 2007 19:02:52 GMT -5
I see the starting 5 (assuming Jeff & Roy are gone) as 1. Wallace 2. Sapp 3. Freeman 4. Summers 5. Macklin with Ewing coming off the bench in the frontcourt. Rivers & Wright would be the primary backcourt depth.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 14, 2007 19:24:59 GMT -5
Sheesh Hordac, that sounds good to me. I mean, I still believe both our boys are coming back (yes, I'm that guy), but if they don't, glory still awaits...
Life is good in Hoyaland
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 14, 2007 19:50:22 GMT -5
We do need a big guy if we lose Roy. It doesn't have to be a great big guy, just a guy who can play defense.
We only have one 4/5 right now in Macklin. I have no problem with him starting at a center if Roy jumps. But his back-up cannot be Ewing.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 14, 2007 20:18:47 GMT -5
if roy and jeff leave, we need 2 big men, not just 1. unless of course you think summers, macklin and ewing will play all 40 minutes and never foul out.
but any way you cut it, i am dreading next year if roy and jeff are both gone. it takes a while to learn this offense. we will play 3-4 guards like nova. how it can go from feast to famine so quickly.
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Apr 14, 2007 20:43:08 GMT -5
"Famine" is completely over the top.
The roster is guard heavy to be sure, but we will still have a ton of talent (Top 4-5 in the Big East) and the best coach in the Northeast at the helm.
Imagine four years ago calling a roster with three Mickey Ds all-americans a bare cupboard. I'm excited to see what our talented 9-man rotation (Wallace, Sapp, Wright, Freeman, Rivers, Crawford, Summers, Ewing, Macklin) can do.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 14, 2007 20:53:20 GMT -5
if roy and jeff leave, we need 2 big men, not just 1. unless of course you think summers, macklin and ewing will play all 40 minutes and never foul out. but any way you cut it, i am dreading next year if roy and jeff are both gone. it takes a while to learn this offense. we will play 3-4 guards like nova. how it can go from feast to famine so quickly. Uh, no I don't think that. But I do think we can play Freeman and Spann at the 3 and Summers and Ewing at the 4 (or 3 for that matter). Plenty of options there without going to 4 guards. Our problem is clearly the 5 spot where Macklin would be the only option.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2007 21:14:13 GMT -5
eweing guarded 5s all year with moderate success. He can do the job especially if he practices that this summer. If we know that jeff and roy are gone then get him to work against zo and deke over the summer and have him practice guarding them. He'd do fine in my opinion.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 14, 2007 21:31:24 GMT -5
McCClain is never coming to Gtown. That relationship is over. Has been for months.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 14, 2007 21:38:31 GMT -5
Does somebody need to talk about McClain EVERY day?? Seriously, we don't NEED anyone.
An additional big guy, either a senior we could dig up from somewhere or somebody from junior college would be nice. But we still definitely don't NEED anything.
There are tons of college teams that play with 3 guards, an NBA style 3 man at the 4, and and an NBA style PF at the 5. Nova was a tournament team last year and not even on the bubble, and their frontcourt was 6'8 Will Sherridan, 6'8 Dante Cunningham, and 6'7 Shane Clark--an NBA SF who is big enough to play some 4 in college..... Tell me, does that front court rotation really seem much different than 6'9 Vernon Macklin, 6'8 Patrick Ewing, and 6'8 DaJuan Summers--an NBA SF who is big enough to play some 4 in college? This doesn't even consider the year before, when they frequently went with the 4 guard lineup, before Clark was eligible and when Cunningham was brand new.
Another recent team that was really successful with a similar model was Duke 2002... They had 3 stud guards in Williams, Ewing, and Duhon, and their starting frontcourt was Mike Dunleavy--an NBA SF who was big enough (6'8) to play some college 4, and Carlos Boozer (6'8), an NBA PF who was big enough to play the 5 in college. They did have one or two big guys off the bench in Sanders and the other white dude, but the point is that they didn't have any true star at center and they were the best team in the country for the entire year.
You don't need 7 footers to win. There are a ton of teams year in and year out that have success with athletic guys in the 6'8 range manning the frontcourt. I agree that another big man off the bench for depth would be really nice to have. But do we absolutely NEED one? No. And I'm just sick of hearing people constantly say we "NEED" mcclain. I've been as big a fan of the kid as anyone throughout, we all love size. But JTIII is WELL aware of the kids presence, the fact that he's still uncommitted, and the fact that our 2 best players/big guys just declared for the draft (which most saw coming). Yet he hasn't seemed to play much for McClain. I'm pretty sure that JTIII is smart enough to place a call to the uncommitted 4 star center in his backyard IF McClain was a Hoya type guy. If he isn't making that call, I'm gonna trust that judgment.
And words like "dread" and "famine" are simply way over the top, and its always the same negative people throw them out. Yea, were losing our 2 best players, we all know that. But we are still a team coming off a run to the final 4 with an all-conference freshman and 2 all americans coming in. We will be fine. Are we gonna be pre-season top 10? No. Are we gonna be on the cover of SI? No. Is there going to be some early season bumps as the new team gels? Almost definitely, but there were bumps last year too and that was a great team. In the end, we will be FINE. Have a little faith in our players y'all.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 14, 2007 21:51:35 GMT -5
For some strange reason, I don't think the Biggie ship has sailed. I know the stories are out that we were initially interested but seemed to back off during this year (likely due to academics). Some of those problems may still exist.
But, I'd be surprised if our staff was plainly uninterested in McClain at this point in time. First, he's a local, and we seem to have some interest in all prominent local players. I often look at Midnight Madness to see who shows up because I don't think the staff hands out invites liberally. We seemed to have turned down Hickson when he wanted to show up to Midnight Madness. Well, Biggie showed up for the second year running, and his grades were not where they needed to be at that time either.
I also have a feeling that GU is willing to make some exceptions to standard admissions procedure for some athletes. The specific incidents to substantiate the idea need not be repeated in this discussion. In that sense, I think it would be possible to get Biggie in the door as long as he qualifies.
From a basketball point of view, I think it makes a world of sense. I like the idea of being able to stay big if Roy leaves early or being able to stay big when Roy subs out if he stays. It gives us another option and look, and I think our squad/style thrives on being able to throw a bunch of different looks at teams on both sides of the court.
Either way, I just hope that the staff sticks to what has worked for them, which is to say that they shouldn't rush into taking players who won't be useful. We seem to have taken a deliberate approach and ended up with the players we wanted. It didn't seem like we would get Summers, but we stayed on him, and it worked. Our staff stalked Macklin for an entire summer, and it worked. We were on Freeman/Wright in much the same way.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 14, 2007 22:40:57 GMT -5
you have what is called rationalization. and its a normal human tendency. but you are kidding yourself to think that losing hibbert and green does not result in famine for our frontcourt. yeah, we may compare nicely to nova and duke, but those teams lost in the 1st round and in the sweet 16, respectively. and they had people coming off the bench in the frontcourt. we will have zero depth in the frontcourt. zero. foul trouble, fatigue, match ups will be problems. yes, we would be still be competitive and contenders for the sweet 16. no arguments there. but with hibbs and green we are virtual locks for the F4 and heavy favorites to win the national championship.
call me negative. but if we go from championship favorites to sweet 16 potential, that is huge disappointment in my book and qualifies as falling sky.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 14, 2007 22:47:42 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your outlook on our season assuming Jeff/Roy leave, but I won't be disappointed if we miss the Elite 8 given that personnel situation.
Four years ago I wondered whether we'd ever win another tournament game let alone the BET and a regional final.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Apr 15, 2007 0:43:30 GMT -5
Let me break it down so hopefully it will forever stay broke. Biggie won't be a Hoya. Not speculation, rumor or inuendo.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2007 1:17:17 GMT -5
Grow up.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Apr 15, 2007 1:23:41 GMT -5
don't forget about Michael Dunigan. A top 30 big whose a bull in a china shop.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 15, 2007 6:53:53 GMT -5
ah, yes. the ole personal attacks from the narcissists on the board that can stand other people having an opinion different from theres.
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Post by stafford72 on Apr 15, 2007 7:34:12 GMT -5
Hibbert is still probably not leaving. He has always said he will be here for 4 years to get his degree. Some sessions with future pros will most likely reinforce whhere he needs to improve. I would bet on his return. Keep the faith.
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