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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 7, 2005 18:13:21 GMT -5
Consolidated Bowman through Pittsburgh:
Games - 74 (all started, I believe) Points - 895 (46) Could jump to 43 versus UConn Rebounds - 464 (37) Could pass Ralph Dalton tomorrow Assists - 128 (UR) Steals - 113 (Just outside Top 20) Blocks - 64
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 9, 2005 15:17:27 GMT -5
Bowman stats:
Games 75
Points 895+14=909
Passed Steve Martin, a Puple Knight from New Orleans St Augustine H. S., my alma mater, for 45th place. Two pts behind Nat Burton and Dwayne Bryant(also from New Orleans), who are tied at 43rd w/ 911 pts. One of the reasons I started following the Hoyas in the '78-'79 season was because I knew I was moving to DC after I finished school, and Steve played for the Hoyas. Steve's brother played for St. Aug when I was in H.S., and set the District scoring which still stands today at 55. I have never regreted becoming a Hoya fan.
Rebounds 464+8=472
One behind Ralph Dalton, who stands in 35th place.
Assists 128+4=132
Steals 113+1=114
One hundred twenty-five will move BB into 20th place. He could claim 20th w/ less than 125, but the history project only lists those w/ min 125. Only 19 players thus far in the history of the program have at least 125 thefts. John Jacques stands 19th w/ 130. My man Braswell leads w/349!
Blocks 64+2=66
CFree stands 11th with 100. Probably next year before BB gets to 100. Has 15 blks in 13 games.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 10, 2005 15:53:37 GMT -5
The combination of BB's skills makes for interesting company. Very shortly (within the month), Brandon will likely reach the 500 rebounds, 125 steals mark.
Only three Hoyas before him have achieved this mark: Patrick Ewing Reggie Williams
and....
.... Boubacar Aw!
Once Bowman hits the 1,000 point mark, Boubs drops out of the "club."
An interesting note is that the strengths of JTIII's offense may make this club less exclusive as the next several seasons unfold. It seems like long forwards who can get out and move while rebounding are well-built for the "Princetown" offense.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 10, 2005 17:10:39 GMT -5
Geez, you guys are taking my thread to another level with this rebounds, steals, blocks, assists information. Interesting stuff but I'm gonna stick to the points because I'm lazy like that. ;D Remember...in case someone gets to this thread before me the day it occurs...when Bowman gets to 1000 points give him the Marquee/Glow treatment when you announce it. Then we move on immediately to the next Hoya who is closest to 1000 (Ashanti Cook). Hoyainspirit, you get points deducted for not putting Bowman's latest total of 907 in boldface (like this: 907).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2005 22:47:14 GMT -5
Brandon had 11 in the Rutgers game, so now he's up to 920 points.
Brandon moves into 43rd place, passing Dwayne Bryant and Nat Burton.
By the way, Ashanti is at 533. Ashanti will need some post-season contests to make 1000 at his current pace.
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Post by 3333Hoya on Jan 13, 2005 21:33:47 GMT -5
Can anyone please tell me how to find a Georgetown stein on ebay? I tried to do a search without luck. My buddy is driving me crazy with his Illinois stein GO HOYAS ;D !!!
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 14, 2005 17:34:18 GMT -5
Because I'm bored: If D.J., Green and Ashanti keep up their current paces of 6.6, 13.3 and 11.2 points per game, and Owens doesn't play next year, Green will pass Owens 10 games into next year and Ashanti 16 games into his junior year for career points. This is assuming a 27 game schedule and that Green's average doesn't go up (which I expect it to in the next two years).
These stats are from after the Rutgers game
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 14, 2005 18:01:17 GMT -5
Interesting analysis -- under this scenario, at what number of points will Jeff overtake Ashanti?
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 14, 2005 20:25:28 GMT -5
Using these numbers, Green will pass Ashanti in the 16th game of his junior year, and he'll finish that game w/ 984 points. Ashantil will have 981 points at the end of his career if he continues scoring at the 11.2 ppg pace.
Green will have 546 points when he passes Owens (so Owens will finish w/ 545 career points, provided he continues scoring 6.6 ppg the rest of this year and this is his last year)
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 14, 2005 20:27:28 GMT -5
Man, is this thread going off track or what?
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 14, 2005 20:34:55 GMT -5
It's not off track so much, as I was just thinking that Green, since he was dominating so much, had to be close to overtaking Ashanti for the 2nd most career points among current players. For somereason I didn't think Ashanti had scored that much-so I crunched some numbers, and figured it out (aka, I was stuck behind a desk w/ a calculator, a computer and nothing better to do) So, what we've found out is that unless Ashanti picks it up, he's not getting to 1000 (though he doesn't need to pick up his ppg that much) and provided Green doesn't start scoring more, Green will get his 1000th point in his 18th game of his junior year, which would be 2 games faster than Bowman, who at his current pace won't get to 1000 til the 20th game of his junior year (against Seton Hall, at MCI-if he does it in the game before, it'll be at BC)
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 14, 2005 21:40:01 GMT -5
Tbird - Ashanti will make 1,000 if we can get him some post-season games.
At least 1 this year in BET plus at least 1 in the post-season. Next year, I am hopeful we can avoid the bottom four to get him again, at least 1 in the BET and another in the post-season.
Also, while we went to an exempt tournament this year, we didn't take advantage of it. We could go to one next year, and that'd be two more games.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 15, 2005 2:11:57 GMT -5
Don't worry, SF, I understand how unreliable my projections are-what are the odds that Green's ppg don't go up? What are the odds that Ashanti's ppg don't go up, even by 1 ppg (which would easily give him 1000 before he graduated)? And, I wasn't really sure if postseason counted toward career stats-I'm pretty sure it doesn't in football (bowl games) so I assumed that it didn't count in basketball either.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 15, 2005 10:31:19 GMT -5
I haven't been paying much attention to your methodology. One thing I may point out is that Ashanti was injured for most of his frosh year. Does that affect your calculations, or is it strictly PPG without an adjustment for his injuries?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 15, 2005 13:37:36 GMT -5
Don't worry, SF, I understand how unreliable my projections are-what are the odds that Green's ppg don't go up? What are the odds that Ashanti's ppg don't go up, even by 1 ppg (which would easily give him 1000 before he graduated)? And, I wasn't really sure if postseason counted toward career stats-I'm pretty sure it doesn't in football (bowl games) so I assumed that it didn't count in basketball either. They do count towards the career totals, and in college football, they've counted for about the last five years (rule change), which partially explains many of the broken records.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 15, 2005 13:46:39 GMT -5
My methodology was very simple (I'm a govt major after all)-I added up ashanti's career points so far and then added in his ppg (11.2) multiplied by the amount of games left in his career (I figured 13 left this season, 27 next season). Then in order to figure out when Green would pass him, I took his career points, subtracted them from Ashanti's projected point total and then divided by 13.3 (his ppg so far). Nothing beyond algebra. Obviously, it's not really good for predicting reality, but just something to think about while waiting for the Nova game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 15, 2005 17:24:16 GMT -5
Brandon had 11 more in the win versus Nova, so he's up to 931.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2005 21:57:02 GMT -5
Nineteen versus the Cuse brings Brandon to an even 950. Probably four more games until Bobo hits 1000. He ties Anthony Perry for 37th place and passes Dikembe.
Rebounds stand at 497. That's good for 26th, tied with Joey Brown. He passed Wingate and Braswell.
Assists at 138. Blocks at 70. Steals at 117.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 18, 2005 22:50:26 GMT -5
Nineteen versus the Cuse brings Brandon to an even 950. Probably four more games until Bobo hits 1000. He ties Anthony Perry for 37th place and passes Dikembe. I'm thinking two or three. Go Good BB!!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 19, 2005 3:17:41 GMT -5
Interesting thing about Brandon. He's averaging about 2.2 apg this year, which, if he keeps it up and we play 30 games this year and next (1 post-season win), will give him 234 assists for his career. DFW only lists players with 250 assists or more, but if that gets him to Top 20 in assists, Brandon may be the only Hoya to place in the Top 20 is pts, rebs, asts, blcks and steals.
Reggie Williams is close, but 66 blocks probably won't make Top 20. Especially when three members of the current Hoya squad will likely finish their career above that.
Then again, with the Princeton in place, I don't expect a 4 year/30 mpg starter to end their career with under 240 assists if they stay healthy.
(Final note: Yes, I realize the advent of the shot clock and scoring changes make many records uncomparable across eras. I don't care -- it is still cool.)
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