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Post by Cambridge on Mar 24, 2007 13:12:17 GMT -5
Reading the officiating thread...there was no travel. The talking heads are retarded. Doug Gottleib should be shot.
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2007 13:15:11 GMT -5
You want to know what is really going on? For the last two weeks sports radio guys, columnists and celebrated casual observers (Sportsguy for example) have been giving the officials a hard time. They have asked repeatedly why the play-by-play, color guys and talking heads haven't taken the NCAA officials to task for their shoddy officiating. This was their chance to respond to all those complaints and the TV crew took it. We have become everything that is wrong with the officiating. Yawn. Simmons took Packer to task for never showing up to a pre-season officiating session in the last ten years and not knowing the rules. He's hardly the enemy.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2007 13:17:39 GMT -5
hopefully, after we win tomorrow this will all be forgotten.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 24, 2007 13:20:19 GMT -5
please. he pivoted on one foot, then spun to pivot on the other before he jumped to shoot. are you guys that blinded by loyalty that you can't even see the obvious? i saw it right when it happened. it was an nba move. just accept the fact that, for once, we got a break...and we deserved it. Wow, i guess all those officials on the officials forum, who don't have anything to do with Georgetown, are also blinded by loyalty. Or maybe they just know the rules better. That's the thing I think we've seen yet again. Traveling is the most misunderstood rule in basketball. See the "He shuffled his feet on the inbounds" tirade losing fans go on.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 24, 2007 13:28:17 GMT -5
Morning fellas.
All i know is this, at 11am tomorrow morning i will be back on the nj turnpike
Why? B/c we survived and advanced........
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 24, 2007 13:31:42 GMT -5
You want to know what is really going on? For the last two weeks sports radio guys, columnists and celebrated casual observers (Sportsguy for example) have been giving the officials a hard time. They have asked repeatedly why the play-by-play, color guys and talking heads haven't taken the NCAA officials to task for their shoddy officiating. This was their chance to respond to all those complaints and the TV crew took it. We have become everything that is wrong with the officiating. Yawn. Simmons took Packer to task for never showing up to a pre-season officiating session in the last ten years and not knowing the rules. He's hardly the enemy. Exactly, Simmons called out a color guy for not questioning the officials more...now the color guys are calling out the officials on the play. My point is over the last two weeks the story under the surface has been "how bad is the officiating in these NCAA games" and that non-call was the perfect opportunity for the color guys, talking heads and others to vent and discuss. I mean where was all the outrage about Oden's non-called flagrant against Xavier? There wasn't any. They didn't turn the highlight reel on that game into an analysis of one blown call did they? Well, to make up for that they've turned all "analysis" of our game into a look at that one play.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 24, 2007 13:34:41 GMT -5
hopefully, after we win tomorrow this will all be forgotten. If dammit, if!!! Didnt we learn anything from last nights buzz beater? The Gods were nice and gave us a scare for all the big talk prior to the game so lets not start this cocky mess again.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 13:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 24, 2007 13:47:10 GMT -5
"What will it take to get fair officiating in NCAA games? We don't know why the officials seem to screw teams like Vanderbilt. It may be because of pressure from the networks to let the glamour teams advance for rating purposes. Money certainly matters to the NCAA. The fact is though; action needs to be taken whether or not it was just an honest mistake by the official. Why should teams like Vanderbilt continue playing if they aren't given a fair shake?" When did we become a "glamour team"? Oh how times have changed!
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 13:48:29 GMT -5
Cambridge - that was my favorite part. The injustice of it all!!!!
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2007 13:51:12 GMT -5
Exactly, Simmons called out a color guy for not questioning the officials more...now the color guys are calling out the officials on the play. Huh? Simmons called Packer out for not knowing the rules and complaining too much. I don't know what your beef with Simmons is, but you need to re-read his Billy Packer article.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 24, 2007 13:53:34 GMT -5
I can't believe a team that scored its final five points on foul shots can cry this much about the officials. Until Gordon's blocked heave Vandy didn't even have to ATTEMPT a shot in the last two minutes but got hand checked and pushed off to 5-6 at the line while Wallace and Green made two clutch shots. But a possible travel (now marked down as a definite travel by Vandy) is somehow more egregious.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 13:55:09 GMT -5
Do not lose sight of the fact that the Vandy coach and players have shown class and taken the high road on this one. It is too bad others cannot follow their lead.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 24, 2007 14:00:30 GMT -5
Exactly, Simmons called out a color guy for not questioning the officials more...now the color guys are calling out the officials on the play. Huh? Simmons called Packer out for not knowing the rules and complaining too much. I don't know what your beef with Simmons is, but you need to re-read his Billy Packer article. TC, My problem isn't with Simmons. My point is that he along with various other media people have been claiming all week that: 1) the officiating is bad and 2) the guys calling the games and commenting on them on TV never talk about it. This has obviously seeped into the heads in CBS and ESPN...they have taken the criticism to heart. Now, they have responded to that criticism (valid as it may be) and focused their attention on the one blown call. PS. You're profile says "Mountain View, CA"...are you making it to the Bus Stop in the city for these games? If you haven't before, definitely make it in for the game on Sunday. We had about 200 people in the bar chanting Hoya Saxa. All 30 TVs in the place were tuned to the game.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2007 14:28:21 GMT -5
this is just like the 'clock issue' in the a&m/memphis game thursday. no one is talking about that 2 days later and our 'walk or no walk' issue will be old news tomorrow. time to concentrate on unc.
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Post by HealyHoya on Mar 24, 2007 14:36:22 GMT -5
Not that this matters as far as the outcome of the game, but it has bothered me since I didn't see it as a travel, but all the "talking heads" seemed to be saying it was. Maybe they should do what I did and actually check the NCAA travelling rules. Here they are below--pay special attention to Article 4. Rule 4, Section 66. Travel:
Art. 1. Traveling occurs when a player holding the ball moves a foot or both feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits described in this Rule. Art. 2. A player who catches the ball with both feet on the playing court may pivot, using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot. Art. 3. A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows: a. When both feet are off the playing court and the player lands: 1. Simultaneously on both feet, either may be the pivot foot; 2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the pivot foot; 3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultane- ously land on both; neither foot can be the pivot foot. b. When one foot is on the playing court: 1. That foot shall be the pivot foot when the other foot touches in a step; 2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both; neither foot can then be the pivot foot. Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot: a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal; b. The pivot foot shall not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble. Art. 5. After coming to a stop when neither foot can be the pivot foot: a. One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the play- ing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal; b. Neither foot shall be lifted, before the ball is released, to start a drib- ble.Jeff lifted his pivot foot and then jumped off the other foot to take the shot. His pivot foot never came back down until the shot was taken. The comments by Seth Davis and others that as soon as he lifted his pivot foot, a travel should have been called, are completely wrong. I don't have the play on tape, but I have watched it enough to think that I have interpreted this correctly. If someone has it to watch and sees Jeff did something differently, please add that to the thread. Otherwise, based on NCAA rules, the travelling call is a complete non-issue. GO HOYAS!!! JEFF IS THE MAN!!!! That wasn't the issue. He picked up the pivot foot. Technically, he travelled...but I don't want that called (ummm...yeah, i know, obviously) because it didn't allow him to get the shot off and I don't want the refs to call the bumping body contact etc. by the Vandy players. Just like hockey, refs should, within reason, swallow the whistles for those plays and let the players determine the outcome of the game... Hoya. Saxa.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 24, 2007 14:41:03 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned, it doesn't matter whether or not Green traveled on that play. I was at the game and even with that potentially missed call, the UNC fans sitting around me who wanted Vandy to win were saying that the game was called in favor of Vanderbilt. My buddy's boss, a Vanderbilt Alum, came over to our seats after the game. We asked him if he felt the officials were calling the game Vandy's way and he said the the officiating was pathetic. Maybe it seemed worse because I was there and obviously biased towards the Hoyas, but it seemed there were different rules on each side of the court. Because Vandy was smaller, they were allowed to make more contact to make up for the lack of size. So I really don't care about this call because the only reason Vandy was even in the game at the end was because of terrible officiating. If I'm wrong here, which I may be considering I was in the upper level and didn't have as good a view as your would have on tv or the benefit of replays, let me know and maybe I'll stop being so damn Editeded about the whole thing. I was 18 rows off the floor and the officiating was pathetic
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2007 14:42:13 GMT -5
CBS has dropped it. On the pre-game just now they showed highlights (with Rich's call) and did not even mention it. Of course, Seth Davis picked UNC to win. Clark Kellogg did not pick anyone, but said Hansbrough would have his hands full with Roy.
Spoke too soon - they brought it up again, complete with the Zapruder footage, while interviewing Coach Thompson and Jeff Green just now. Green gave a great answer - "the ref did not call it and I played through." Then they moved on.
Of course, CBS is now using the last play as advertising for tomorrow.
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Post by mapei on Mar 24, 2007 14:57:36 GMT -5
Packer doesn't have a pro-ACC bias. I watch a lot of ACC games, and he is every bit as curmudgeonly with ACC teams as he is with us. It's just his nature to be unpleasant.
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Post by mapei on Mar 24, 2007 15:00:51 GMT -5
I mean where was all the outrage about Oden's non-called flagrant against Xavier? There wasn't any. They didn't turn the highlight reel on that game into an analysis of one blown call did they? Well, to make up for that they've turned all "analysis" of our game into a look at that one play. Actually, there was tons of hand-wringing and criticism of the no-call on Oden. Much more than there has been so far on Jeff's play, though maybe not as quick.
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