JPM32
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Post by JPM32 on Mar 24, 2007 1:18:21 GMT -5
I looked it up:
Vandy's last FG of the game was a layup by Byars at the 4:49 mark. Their final 7 points all came from the FT line.
On the other hand, 26 of Georgetown's last 27 points came from the field. The Hoyas attempted all of 1 FT in the final 14:45 of the game! It came on the tail end of a 3 point play by Jeff after an offensive board.
To say the refs gave us this game is a joke. Clearly, these numbers show that the Hoyas overcame the officials to win. I'm done with this.
On to the regional finals!
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Mar 24, 2007 1:22:43 GMT -5
Madam, I may be drunk. But tomorrow I will be sober, and Feinstein will still be a BUM, Clark Kellog will still be a moron, Doug Gottleib will still be a thief, and the Hoyas will still be playing on Sunday.
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rccoleon
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Post by rccoleon on Mar 24, 2007 1:40:38 GMT -5
he walked but calls go both ways boys. big win.
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miamihoya
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Post by miamihoya on Mar 24, 2007 1:47:36 GMT -5
jeff might have traveled, he might not have...i honestly don't know and most importantly I DONT GIVE A ...it was an outstanding play no matter what and at the end of the day we are playing on Sunday....the refs blew all game and honestly there is no way the refs end a game by calling a "possible" travel on a guy that is getting tripled team and pushed
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 24, 2007 4:05:33 GMT -5
What is that I hear? Is it the sweet, sombre wail of shattered dreams? The mating call of sore losers?
I think so. Whatever they think the story is, I know what the true tale is...Jeff Green has onions the size of bowling balls.
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 24, 2007 4:09:29 GMT -5
ok, ok, ok. i have to come clean......................i was too much of a wuss to even stand up and watch the play
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 24, 2007 4:11:38 GMT -5
What is that I hear? Is it the sweet, sombre wail of shattered dreams? The mating call of sore losers? I think so. Whatever they think the story is, I know what the true tale is...Jeff Green has onions the size of bowling balls. where u at the game?
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Mar 24, 2007 7:17:44 GMT -5
Horrendous article on foxsports.com from Keven Hench. msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6604346Again demonstrates lack of understanding of the rules of basketball. And makes the absurd case that all of the higher seeds only won last night because of officiating.
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Mar 24, 2007 7:21:46 GMT -5
From officiating.com: forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=33035The final shot in the Hoya game. I am so tired of these announcers who don't know the rule. They kep talking about how his left foot was the pivot foot and that as soon as he lifted it, he traveled. Why won't these networks just hire an official that knows the rules? Drives me crazy. It was mainly Seth Davis. Interesting read .... wonder if Hess post on the board? Good material ... I wonder if any talking heads will read any of this.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 24, 2007 7:43:14 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't see this tread before I posted the following in another:
I don't know about the "travel." Think about it like a perimeter player setting up in the tripple-threat position, with the right foot as the pivot. The player decides to use the tripple threat to go left, so with the right foot planted he swings his left foot and the ball to the left. His right foot always leaves the floor before his left hand dribbles the ball. How is Jeff's move different, except for the fact that Jeff shot it and did not dribble? The more I think about it, I can't believe basketball experts are questioning this. He didn't double dribble since he lost posession, so what's the problem?
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Gold Hoya
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Post by Gold Hoya on Mar 24, 2007 8:46:58 GMT -5
College gameday is disugusting. Gottdweeb is screaming about how Jeff traveled and it was a criminal action by the refs. He says its blatantly obvious and is referring to the "switch of pivot foot" which has been proven wrong. Majerus goes on to say no gtown player has had a # retired but if we win the tournament we should retire the refs' #s. My ears are bleeding after hearing all this whining from Gottdweeb and misinformation. Mr OAF-ense then proceeded to read the names of "the refs" - except he read the refs from the Carolina game. Tom Lopes would not have stood for a game officiated as tightly as last night's.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 24, 2007 8:53:13 GMT -5
Horrendous article on foxsports.com from Keven Hench. msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6604346Again demonstrates lack of understanding of the rules of basketball. And makes the absurd case that all of the higher seeds only won last night because of officiating. Man, "journalism" like that makes me nauseous. I can see it coming from a local paper or a Vandy fan, but that whole write-up on the Hoyas game was atrocious. Focus in on 2 calls and ignore every questionable call that went against Georgetown, as well as the fact that Vandy hit only 1 bucket in the last 5 minutes of the game -- the rest of their points were at the FT line as a result of some of those questionable call, just to support your thesis. Shoddy, shoddy biased writing. I am will be saying the same thing in an email to foxsports.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2007 8:58:49 GMT -5
he switched his pivot foot. he did travel, they just didn't call it.
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Post by coloradohoya on Mar 24, 2007 9:10:17 GMT -5
"You can argue that Green traveled, if you'd like, although one person I know who has officiated e-mailed me Friday night and said a player is allowed to "alight" on his non-pivot foot to shoot or pass. There could be a debate over whether his right foot slipped a little, causing a violation, but he did make a step-through move, which is a taught move, to complete the play." From Andy Katz's article sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney07/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2810581
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Gold Hoya
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Post by Gold Hoya on Mar 24, 2007 9:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2007 9:15:40 GMT -5
He didn't switch his pivot foot! Great Googly Moogly HoyaFanNY, read the posts in this thread. If there was a travel, it was because his pivot foot was off the ground a microscopic amount during the turn (while he was being simultaneously pushed by the defender and the defender's foot was lifting his pivot foot from the ground).
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Mar 24, 2007 9:25:35 GMT -5
My favorite post from officiating.com is this one from an NCAA official:
"It really favored the "up and under" move that the women use quite a bit that the fans always scream "walk" when i see it. But I think that he pushed off the right, stepped with the left and shot.....I am presently listening to the idiotic announcers on ESPN act like they are experts. once again, "ugly"="travel" in the minds of the uneducated, especially Doug Gottleib. That little snot nose pretty boy doesn't know crap.... __________________ 16 yr HS official 8 yr NCAA "
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Mar 24, 2007 9:26:48 GMT -5
2 things,
anyway to get more mainstream media clarification of this last play. I want someone to look at the rules cited here and definitively establish what the deal is? Second, is there any way to post a video montage of the 5 or 6 fouls on gtown leading up to the jeff green play. I would like someone to analyze those, especially dajuans catch that would have been an easy two for us. I understand being mad if you are vandy, but I just hate having to hear all the blabber when we got 10 horrible foul calls down the stretch and then people are going to examine a play where you have to watch it on slo mo replay 5 times and look at the rule book to understand it and that is the focal point. Its crazy. I really want to be NC now so this play can stop being scrutinized.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2007 9:28:48 GMT -5
please. he pivoted on one foot, then spun to pivot on the other before he jumped to shoot. are you guys that blinded by loyalty that you can't even see the obvious? i saw it right when it happened. it was an nba move. just accept the fact that, for once, we got a break...and we deserved it.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 24, 2007 9:35:38 GMT -5
This is onme of those calls where the rule itself was not broken, but the announcers viewed the appearance of movement as evidence of a foul.
I credit Kevin Stallings for letting this one pass, and by Sunday there will be another strawman to wave.
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