PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Mar 15, 2007 22:24:40 GMT -5
now for my second attempt...
smallish team but with guys that can score. play something called the flex offense. looks like a basic motion to me. they have 3 scoring threats. usually its one of these 3 who takes the shot. the other 2 guys rarely shoot. matador type defense so it would be good for our guards to drive the lane, maybe dish to a big guy.
dudley is a small active forward that plays bigger than his size. would be good assignment for ewing. they got a super quick scoring point guard tyrese rice, who is a mortal version of tory jackson. calling on rivers, hibbs would be good to shut down the penetration. finally they got a big senior guard in marshall 6-6, can shoot from outside but not a great penetrator. probably need to put summers/green on him due to height. they also got a 6-10 guy oates that can hit the 3. may need ewing here. bc creating some matchup problems for our defense.
expect to see zone with them doubling up on hibbs. may be a fast paced game, but probably not too fast for hibbs. rivers and ewing should log minutes. we need to be on with our outside shooting. stay out of foul trouble! if so, we win. if not, then nail biter.
their headbands are fricking annoying.
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FewFAC
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Post by FewFAC on Mar 15, 2007 22:37:03 GMT -5
play something called the flex offense. looks like a basic motion to me. UMD anyone? Garyland is all flex, all the time. More cuts and downscreens than the basic motion.
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Post by rihoya on Mar 15, 2007 22:45:29 GMT -5
I once beat their big guy Oates in a pick up game in high school. Needless to say, he's a lot better now.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Mar 15, 2007 23:15:15 GMT -5
I disagree that it could be a fast-paced game. Both teams like a plodding, methodical style and I see little reason why it won't be that was Saturday.
My one caveat: the rap on BC is poor transition defense. If they are going to play zone and double Roy and we have trouble utilizing him, perhaps we will sit him and try to take advantage of that poor transition defense by running on them. That is the only scenario in which I see this game getting out of the 60s.
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Post by pghoya11 on Mar 15, 2007 23:51:00 GMT -5
It absolutely will not be a fast-paced game. The flex is no the basic motion, the way BC runs it involves a lot of screening with what seems like poor spacing, until a baseline screen gets someone open for a layup. Having watched many BC games this year, I agree that they are poor in transition defense. They do not much team speed or lateral quickness overall, and would probably prefer teams to try to shoot over them than to drive by them, thus I have doubts that back-doors will work on them since they will not be applying too much pressure. BC has no depth so if we get them in foul trouble and/or if Dudley/Marshall/Rice don't shoot about 50% combined, Georgetown will roll. Even if those guys play well, I expect Georgetown to win by about 6. As long as we play average offense and tight team defense on them, I look for Georgetown to win something like 70-58.
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Post by HoyaSpirit on Mar 16, 2007 0:26:40 GMT -5
I think Roy is reasonably good when we run the fast-break because he makes it down in time a lot to grab offensive rebounds, and if he doesn't make it down in time, he gives us an imposing presence on D in case we miss and they try to push it back at us. I'd love to see us run on them, and I think our running game is reasonably good even when Roy is in the game. You don't need all 5 guys running most of the time anyway, and the center is the least important part of running - if you're guards and forwards kick butt on that it's sufficient. I agree Roy isn't a great fast break guy, but I think we can run it fine with him in there when the opportunities for it open up.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Mar 16, 2007 0:29:46 GMT -5
We can run it fine with him in there, but he tires faster than others do, and he would end up not playing as much in a run-and-gun situation.
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Post by RDF on Mar 16, 2007 1:00:03 GMT -5
Just run our offense/make the extra pass and we'll have high percentage looks all day and kick their ass. They are very lazy on defense--Rice is quick on quick and fine shooter when open--Dudley and Marshall are two of the ugliest people on the planet--but tough players--this should be a tough game due to BC having heart--but really see Hoyas taking it to them if they just pound them down low, work inside/out for good shot attempts and play GEORGETOWN DEFENSE! THAT'S IT! ;D
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Mar 16, 2007 7:05:16 GMT -5
seems strange to me that people seemed more worried about belmont than bc.
maybe its just me but im worried about bc as im not sure how we matchup on defense versus an ultra-quick pg and a big 6-6 shooting guard in marshall. clearly we should dominate in the front court, even though roy has had problems against smaller opponents ironically. but their penetrating pg could give us foul problems (think 2 fouls by roy/green in first 10 minutes) and we dont really have a stopper on defense other than a fairly decent rivers to handle rice. but that leaves a problem guarding marshall a problem. we dont have a big guard to counter him. he can out muscle and shoot over the smaller wallace and sapp, and if you stick a summers/green/ewing on him, then who does wallace/sapp guard? its like you got to stick wallace/rivers on rice and sapp on marshall, both not ideal for us. this would be a good game to have egerson. maybe crawford/spann will get some run?
it is not uncommon for their 3 to each put up mid teen to low 20 points the same game. they have done it repeatedly including against top defenses, including unc. its almost like you let 2 of them go off for 20 and just shut down the 3rd guy (dudley?).
i agree that we should win this game, but if our outside shooting isnt there i think it will be a challenge. and i am much more worried than vs belmont. anyone with perspective to alleviate my concern?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 16, 2007 7:34:57 GMT -5
we could always go with only one guard 2 sort of 3s in Daujan and eweing and jeff and roy. I Just think we have more struggles against a fully balanced team that has good inside and outside threats. Now you're saying they do have that, and i haven't really seen them play but from what i know duddley is their star and stopping him is very important and i think we can easily do that. Also pope you tend to be fairly negative no offense so i'm just not as concerned as you are. We're a good defensive team and they're not. We'll be fine.
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Post by Locker on Mar 16, 2007 8:18:35 GMT -5
If we stay out of foul trouble, it would be very hard for us to lose this game.
If BC plays man-to-man, then John Oates guards Roy and Jared Dudley guards Jeff. That simply can't work for BC.
If BC goes zone, we should absolutely murder them on the boards. BC is ranked # 301 in the nation in defensive rebounding. We're # 9 in the nation in offensive rebounding.
Of course, if Roy and/or Jeff gets in early foul trouble all bets are off. Will the refs buy into Jared Dudley's incessant flopping act? That's the key to the game right there.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 16, 2007 9:10:08 GMT -5
Thoughts from watching them in person yesterday:
Rice is quick.
They are a reasonably tough team, but they miss some sloppy easy opportunities.
No question about it: the Hoyas are the much more talented team.
BC's best chance to win is to get Jeff and/or Roy into foul trouble and turn it into an ugly, ugly game. If we can avoid that, our chances are pretty good.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Mar 16, 2007 9:12:47 GMT -5
we could always go with only one guard 2 sort of 3s in Daujan and eweing and jeff and roy. I Just think we have more struggles against a fully balanced team that has good inside and outside threats. Now you're saying they do have that, and i haven't really seen them play but from what i know duddley is their star and stopping him is very important and i think we can easily do that. Also pope you tend to be fairly negative no offense so i'm just not as concerned as you are. We're a good defensive team and they're not. We'll be fine. I actually think this is exactly the type of lineup you will see us play this game. Marshall would be a tough matchup for Jon, Jessie or Jeremiah in terms of height, so I think we'll see a 5 of Jon/Jessie, DaJuan, Pat, Jeff and Roy. That is a HUGE 5, and we would dominate BC on the boards. Oates has no shot against Roy. If you think Aaron Gray is bad, wait until you see Oates. He's awful, and in his mind, he thinks he's a 3-pt shooter, except that he's only shooting about 20% on the year. The Jeff-Dudley matchup should be interesting, as Dudley has had all his success this year posting up small forwards down low. He won't be able to do that to Jeff, and Jeff is light-years quicker than Dudley. Its pretty simple - if we play our game (efficient offense, strong D, strong rebounding) we win.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Mar 16, 2007 9:25:32 GMT -5
I'd be pretty shocked if we played for any significant period without 2 guards on the floor. It would be a turnover fest if they even faked pressure.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 16, 2007 9:32:47 GMT -5
but BC doesn't play defense so i don't think it would be a problem. Plus we employed a simillar set agianst ND at points and it didn't hurt us.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 16, 2007 9:43:44 GMT -5
I think Rivers may see significant time on the floor, as he only gives up a couple of inches on Marshall.
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Post by FOTP on Mar 16, 2007 9:53:03 GMT -5
Key to the game - DO NOT let Green try and guard Dudley unless absolutely necessary. I know he can guard him, but they only have a chance if Dudley gets Green in early foul trouble with some questionable calls.
Start Summers on him and bring Ewing in off the bench to guard him too. Then put Green on him in the 2nd half to shut things down.
Dudley is VERY good at driving and getting cheap foul calls on the other team.
Green needs to play 35+ minutes and Hibbert needs 30 minutes. Not the 23 and 22 from yesterday.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 16, 2007 9:58:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure that Summers can guard Dudley. I think it needs to be PE Jr. for most of the game.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Mar 16, 2007 10:33:40 GMT -5
but BC doesn't play defense so i don't think it would be a problem. Plus we employed a simillar set agianst ND at points and it didn't hurt us. I don't remember ever only having one guard out there - unless you aren't counting the few minutes that Crawford was the 2.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Mar 16, 2007 10:49:51 GMT -5
I'd be pretty shocked if we played for any significant period without 2 guards on the floor. It would be a turnover fest if they even faked pressure. Much to the dismay of some posters, Green has proven pretty adept at bringing the ball up. I agree that we'll probably have 2 guards out there for the majority of the game, but not because we don't have any forwards (or "non-guards") who can handle the ball.
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