GPHoya
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Post by GPHoya on Mar 5, 2007 14:24:00 GMT -5
An 11 man first team in basketball with five unanimous selections is an Orwellian Middle School approach to awards.
Picking Mike Brey coach of the year (which is what I expect) is outreach by the fraternity of coaches to try to save the guy's job next year when he regresses to 9th place. Getting Georgetown from 12th to first in three years is clearly the outstanding coaching accomplishment, not to mention that JT III's team is better coached than any other team in the league. Notre Dame still plays horrible defense.
If the Conference is too big and everyone needs a prize, offer rewards for congeniality or have four teams. Giving a one dimensional stationary jump shooter like Falls the same recognition as Jeff Green is nonsense. Would any team in the league rather have Colin Falls than Jon Wallace or Jeff Adrien or Scotty Reynolds.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 5, 2007 14:30:42 GMT -5
Reynolds definitely makes my first team. He's terrific.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 5, 2007 14:32:57 GMT -5
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 5, 2007 14:45:46 GMT -5
11 men on the first team? Is this football? To be fair, the Big East is the size of 2 conferences. Of course, that would lend itself to 10, not 11. Agree. There are sixteen teams, folks, not nine as in the old days. To pick a mere five players from a super-sized conference is a disservice to the players in the league. The only problem is that, by percentage points, its a tad easier to make First & Second Team and be a repeat selection. I'm surprised people here forgot that the BE expanded its All Big East slots last season.
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Post by Jack on Mar 5, 2007 14:57:26 GMT -5
To be fair, the Big East is the size of 2 conferences. Of course, that would lend itself to 10, not 11. Agree. There are sixteen teams, folks, not nine as in the old days. To pick a mere five players from a super-sized conference is a disservice to the players in the league. The only problem is that, by percentage points, its a tad easier to make First & Second Team and be a repeat selection. I'm surprised people here forgot that the BE expanded its All Big East slots last season. I did not forget, I just don't approve. And somehow the NBA, with 30 teams and perhaps a touch more talent than the Big East, manages to name just 5 as first-team All-NBA, but I can see how tough it would be leave off a stud like Colin Falls or Lamont Hamilton.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Mar 5, 2007 15:20:12 GMT -5
Falls is such a dreamboat!
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Post by kchoya on Mar 5, 2007 15:24:47 GMT -5
Picking Mike Brey coach of the year (which is what I expect) is outreach by the fraternity of coaches to try to save the guy's job next year when he regresses to 9th place. And this would be bad for Georgetown how?
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Post by GPHoya on Mar 5, 2007 15:29:28 GMT -5
Along the lines of the sharp reasoning above, I think we should have 20 posts of the year because there are a lot more posts than there used to be and so many of them are so thoughtful. Further, next century I say we have 200 top 100 players.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Mar 5, 2007 16:03:56 GMT -5
I nominate this for post of the year
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Post by hifigator on Mar 5, 2007 16:08:02 GMT -5
GP, I am not sure if that is a barb in my direction or not. In any case, I see your reasoning at least it if is taken to its logical extreme. Still, I think it is reasonable to give more awards when you have more participants. Think of it like a poker tournament. Typically, tournaments pay out something like 2 or 3 spots at a table of 6-10 people. But with multi-table tournaments they will pay out more spots. However, they still probably average a lower percentage of people making it to the money. Something like one in 9 or 10 people make the money in most multi-table tounaments, even though typically 2 or even 3 people win money in a single table tourny.
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Post by hchoya on Mar 5, 2007 16:23:46 GMT -5
So when does the POY come out?
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Mar 5, 2007 16:33:27 GMT -5
GP, I am not sure if that is a barb in my direction or not. In any case, I see your reasoning at least it if is taken to its logical extreme. Still, I think it is reasonable to give more awards when you have more participants. Think of it like a poker tournament. Typically, tournaments pay out something like 2 or 3 spots at a table of 6-10 people. But with multi-table tournaments they will pay out more spots. However, they still probably average a lower percentage of people making it to the money. Something like one in 9 or 10 people make the money in most multi-table tounaments, even though typically 2 or even 3 people win money in a single table tourny. I guess I'd never really paid attention to it until this year but I was surprised to know that a team doesn't consist of five guys. It means a lot more to be named first team all conference if there really is only one center, two forwards, and two guards. I thought second- and third-team all big east were ways to honor more than just the top one or two players at each position. I'm glad lots of people get honored as all Big East every year, but this is DI basketball, not tee-ball where everyone gets an award and its certainly not MLB where every team gets an all star.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Mar 5, 2007 16:35:29 GMT -5
So when does the POY come out? There are going to be three this year.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Mar 5, 2007 16:38:26 GMT -5
RDF mailed all recipients lollipops and cupcakes
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 5, 2007 16:49:47 GMT -5
well the problem with the 5 person teams is that you can only take a center 2 forwards and 2 guards. But this yeah i think there are a lot more good big men than there are guards. If you had to make a team who would you take The best players this year seem to be jeff, roy, herbert, nichols, Gray. The 5 are 3-5 not a 1 or 2 amoung them.
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Post by RDF on Mar 5, 2007 16:54:29 GMT -5
RDF mailed all recipients lollipops and cupcakes Don't be a "rube"--it was JUICE BOXES, MILKSHAKES, SANDWICHES, and to anyone from Cuse it was extra "special sauce" on those sandwiches--not saying anything else. Let's just say if Devendork, Rautins, and company have a replay of Bobby Hurley in Final Four circa '91 you know who was responsible.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Mar 5, 2007 17:00:37 GMT -5
Milkshakes don't do too well in the mail.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 5, 2007 17:49:56 GMT -5
Ironically, the Gators may very well not get represented on the all conference team even though they have the highest National ranking and won the conference outright.
As for conference teams, do you think they should go strictly by position or if you have so many guys doing different things, just have the voters choose "x" number of people? You can even take it a step further, do you think you should have to select a specific Point Guard, a specific shooting guard, a small forward, a power forward and a center?
In today's world, I just don't think that is justified. Too many teams have differenet guys handling the point, depending on the situation. We have had everyone of our starters running the team at times other than Al Horford.
Secondly if you used those strict labels then how do you consider teams that run a 3 guard offense? Do they potentially have 3 guys that could be selected as guards but only one potential forward?
In all seriousness, I think you should select a certain number of players. With situational positions, I think you could easily justify 7 spots on the first team. In football teams there is always an "athlete" position which oftentimes goes to a guy who was simply too important but because he was a qb sometimes, a RB sometimes, WR sometimes and also returned punts, he wouldn't be voted in over other dedicated position players, but certainly deserves to be on the team.
Maybe something like this:
1-Center 2-Center/Forwars 2 Guard/Forwards 2-Guards
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 5, 2007 20:56:06 GMT -5
Agree. There are sixteen teams, folks, not nine as in the old days. To pick a mere five players from a super-sized conference is a disservice to the players in the league. The only problem is that, by percentage points, its a tad easier to make First & Second Team and be a repeat selection. I'm surprised people here forgot that the BE expanded its All Big East slots last season. I did not forget, I just don't approve. And somehow the NBA, with 30 teams and perhaps a touch more talent than the Big East, manages to name just 5 as first-team All-NBA, but I can see how tough it would be leave off a stud like Colin Falls or Lamont Hamilton. Oh, we're comparing it to the NBA now? Fine. Well, using your point of view, in that case back in the day when the BE, with only nine teams and relatively poor talent compared to the NBA, were choosing three all conference teams that must have been a bit of an overkill, huh? Its a bit much to make comparisons with how things are done in the NBA.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 5, 2007 21:04:53 GMT -5
CONGRATS TO ALL AND TWO OF THE THREE NONSENIORS WEAR BLUE AND GRAY WOOWOWOW GO HOYAS GO JEFF FOR POY AND BEAT WHOEVER WHENEVER WELL AT HIGH NOON ON THIS THURS.. GO HOYAS
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