EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 1, 2007 13:33:01 GMT -5
"I agree that Scottie should be ROY, but from what I've seen of him is that he wouldn't work as well in our system as say Rivers does."
You gotta be kidding!
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Post by FOTP on Mar 1, 2007 13:36:37 GMT -5
Yeah...I didn't really want to respond to that one.
You can love our players, but having Scottie would have been sweet. I love our team...but let's not get insane here.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Mar 1, 2007 15:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah...I didn't really want to respond to that one. You can love our players, but having Scottie would have been sweet. I love our team...but let's not get insane here. Saying that Rivers works better in our system is not saying that Rivers is a better player than Reynolds. For example, Jonathan Wallace isn't the player Scottie Reynolds is, but he WORKS better in our system. Our system is not meant to handle one person shooting the ball 25 times a game. That said, Reynolds is also probably a product of the system at Nova. He and Sumpter are Nova's guys. If he played along side Roy, Jeff, Jon, et al., things would be different and he could probably fit in just fine.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 1, 2007 15:29:08 GMT -5
Kenny Anderson was a good college player, but for what Georgetown needed, I am glad we got Joey Brown instead.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 1, 2007 15:29:52 GMT -5
Reynolds would fit well in our system, and possibly better than Rivers. For one, Reynolds is a better shooter. Forty percent three point shooters tend to do well for us.
I doubt Scottie would score as much for us, be as aggressive or make as many turnovers. That said, he's a better offensive fit than Rivers is right now.
In the long run I expect Jeremiah to be a better defender and rebounder. And if he improves his jumper, just as good if not a better player. But that's a big if.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 1, 2007 15:36:45 GMT -5
Reynolds could play in this system, or any system, and be quite effective!
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Post by Filo on Mar 1, 2007 15:42:34 GMT -5
Reynolds could play in this system, or any system, and be quite effective! He's got talent, and seems like a good kid with a great attitude, so tough to argue with that statement.
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 1, 2007 15:44:50 GMT -5
Rivers working better in our system than Reyonlds??? You are comparing a guy coming off the bench to the potential BE ROY? Absurd.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 1, 2007 16:03:15 GMT -5
can everyone get off scotty reynolds' jockey strap? He is a good player. But he didn't come here. I would like to have had steve francis too since he wanted to go to gtown, but that didn't work out either. fine.
i doubt we need a whole thread with people EDITED. get over it. reynolds can be shutdown as we showed in the second half of the game at nova...he isnt a player that has me soiling myself in fear.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 1, 2007 17:12:08 GMT -5
can everyone get off scotty reynolds' jockey strap? He is a good player. But he didn't come here. I would like to have had steve francis too since he wanted to go to gtown, but that didn't work out either. fine. i doubt we need a whole thread with people slobbin' his knob. get over it. reynolds can be shutdown as we showed in the second half of the game at nova...he isnt a player that has me soiling myself in fear. Agreed. The kid is good. I like his game. If he were here how good would he be? Tough to say considering he'd be getting 12mpg instead of 25 to 30 for the entire year. We seem to paste Scottie's 40-point effort onto our success and call it a great fit for an amazing team. But that 40 points doesn't happen without a) Being forced to start all year and b) Having the green light to shoot whenever he wants. He wouldn't have either here. So it's hard to say if he'd be a great backup that would give us less dropoff at guard and strong three-point shooting or a gunner player who comes off the bench trying to shoot 14 times in 12 minutes and force the issue or even a freshman coming along slowly as a backup.
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Post by cebuhoya on Mar 1, 2007 17:31:49 GMT -5
Pardon my ignorance but would Chris Wright (or to a lesser extent, Austin Freeman) have committed to GU if we had Scottie? I know there probably is a timing issue here because they may have committed before the whole Oklahoma release issue but I'm just curious if these new studs would have gone ahead if we already had a stable of five guards. (JW, Rivers, Sapp, TC, Reynolds?)
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 1, 2007 17:43:24 GMT -5
Pardon my ignorance but would Chris Wright (or to a lesser extent, Austin Freeman) have committed to GU if we had Scottie? I know there probably is a timing issue here because they may have committed before the whole Oklahoma release issue but I'm just curious if these new studs would have gone ahead if we already had a stable of five guards. (JW, Rivers, Sapp, TC, Reynolds?) Freeman had already committed by the time Reynolds became available to us. And Freeman was our number #1 priority, from what I understand. That, and he's a shooting guard and Reynolds is a point.
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 1, 2007 19:41:58 GMT -5
I remember the debate on this board at the time Scottie became available. There was a general feeling among many people on the board that the staff had the choice between Scottie and Chris but could clearly only take one.
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Post by ilovescruggs on Mar 1, 2007 23:09:43 GMT -5
Since I haven't posted since bringing up the topic, I feel I ought to chime in. First, Dajuan, preach on.
Second, as has been said, Scottie doesn't play 35 minutes in our system or score 40 points a game from time to time. What he does do is penetrate the zone off a high screen, which is nice to have. But that wasn't my initial point either.
In a way I was just pointing out the obvious, that this kid is a hell of a player. But I also think that without him Nova is pulling a UConn and scraping for a seed in the big east tourney. They were borderline pathetic at the start of the season and without him, who knows?
Of course I'm happy with our recruiting classes this year and beyond (understatement), i just wanted to point out this kid's achievements and pass on a few kudos his way. That said, I hope Jesse shuts him down if we face him again this season and Chris Wright breaks his ankles (metaphorically) on a crossover next season ;-)
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Post by JimmyHoya on Mar 2, 2007 10:47:45 GMT -5
Kenny Anderson was a good college player, but for what Georgetown needed, I am glad we got Joey Brown instead. Joey Brown was my favorite player for awhile, but c'mon, are you serious? Say no to Kenny?
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Post by dajuan on Mar 2, 2007 11:59:02 GMT -5
can everyone get off scotty reynolds' jockey strap? He is a good player. But he didn't come here. I would like to have had steve francis too since he wanted to go to gtown, but that didn't work out either. fine. i doubt we need a whole thread with people EDITED. get over it. reynolds can be shutdown as we showed in the second half of the game at nova...he isnt a player that has me soiling myself in fear. I like the use of " EDITED". That's a tremendous expression.
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Post by RDF on Mar 2, 2007 13:30:32 GMT -5
Well, we will likely see how he adjusts to a different role because Nova has Corey Fisher, Corey Stokes, and Malcolm Grant coming in next year--and that means less shots attempts and less opportunities with ball in his hand as Fisher will have ball in his hand--he's more dangerous as a penetrator and can set up teammates better--he's bigger, quicker, and finishes better at rim. Stokes is a fine shooter and similar to Austin Freeman in style of play--but Austin is better at this time--and hopefully in future too.
Wright and Freeman will come into GU with roles to play their initial year--but Freeman can play some SF in spots too--so Hoyas can go 3 guard look a lot and there will be plenty of time between all of the guards. You could see Wallace slide over to 2G, Freeman at SF/3rd guard, and Wright on point or Rivers at PG, Wright at 2G, and Sapp as 3rd Guard. There are plenty of opportunities out there for minutes and best players will play based on performance. It will allow Hoyas to match up better with a team like Nova as well--we can go small with them or go big--assuming Jeff is still around his SR year. If he's gone, I'd almost guarantee we see a Roy, DaJuan, Austin trio upfront, with Wallace, Rivers, Sapp, and Wright fighting for other 2 spots in lineup. PE JR could get in there but he's going to get minutes no matter what as will Vernon. You can go to an uptempo lineup with Wright, Freeman, Summers, PE JR, and Macklin, or play halfcourt. It just makes the team more versatile and deeper.
If Jeff Green returns, this will be the deepest, most talented team GU has had since 1989 and maybe even more talented then that team.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Mar 2, 2007 13:59:15 GMT -5
Well, we will likely see how he adjusts to a different role because Nova has Corey Fisher, Corey Stokes, and Malcolm Grant coming in next year--and that means less shots attempts and less opportunities with ball in his hand as Fisher will have ball in his hand--he's more dangerous as a penetrator and can set up teammates better--he's bigger, quicker, and finishes better at rim. Stokes is a fine shooter and similar to Austin Freeman in style of play--but Austin is better at this time--and hopefully in future too. Wright and Freeman will come into GU with roles to play their initial year--but Freeman can play some SF in spots too--so Hoyas can go 3 guard look a lot and there will be plenty of time between all of the guards. You could see Wallace slide over to 2G, Freeman at SF/3rd guard, and Wright on point or Rivers at PG, Wright at 2G, and Sapp as 3rd Guard. There are plenty of opportunities out there for minutes and best players will play based on performance. It will allow Hoyas to match up better with a team like Nova as well--we can go small with them or go big--assuming Jeff is still around his SR year. If he's gone, I'd almost guarantee we see a Roy, DaJuan, Austin trio upfront, with Wallace, Rivers, Sapp, and Wright fighting for other 2 spots in lineup. PE JR could get in there but he's going to get minutes no matter what as will Vernon. You can go to an uptempo lineup with Wright, Freeman, Summers, PE JR, and Macklin, or play halfcourt. It just makes the team more versatile and deeper. If Jeff Green returns, this will be the deepest, most talented team GU has had since 1989 and maybe even more talented then that team. I am pretty sure we won't be having the "is depth our problem" debate next year. Reynolds may have been very useful for us this year as he certainly has the skills to contribute given the opportunity. But I don't think we will be searching for guys to give minutes to next year and we certainly won't have to worry about any one person getting too tired or having an off night and 'ruining things' for us (what Sapp is accused of doing against SUcks)
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 2, 2007 14:07:36 GMT -5
If Jeff goes, it will be interesting to see how it settles out. We'll almost certainly see Austin at the 3 at times, but will it be the primary lineup?
You've got several options at the 4:
1) Vern. This seems unlikely to me for several reasons. One, it puts 2 non-shooters on the floor at the same time in Roy and Vern. Two, Vern is Roy's backup -- with both of them playing at the same time, it isn't optimal.
2) PE, Jr. Junior can hit the three and defend the four. While he's not the perfect replacement for Jeff, DaJuan can take on more of the playmaking responsibilities while Jr. plays his own game. One huge advantage is that it keeps the lineup big, but keep in mind that either Vern is both the C and PF backup or we're still seeing a lot of three guard when Jr. goes out.
3) Summers. He's got the size and ability to step in where Jeff leaves. The upside is that we can keep a four man rotation down low like this year. The downside is that our wings with size -- Freeman, Wattad, Crawford and Spann are highly inexperienced. And the most experienced (Crawford) is the shortest.
If Rivers steps up his shooting, this may not be as bad (making it feasible to always have a 6'5" guy out on the wing at least). I still don't like the generic lack of size a three guard lineup gives us. We're Georgetown; we're big.
Either way, without Jeff, provided that Chris and Austin can play, we really have a ten man rotation of capable players at minimum. At that doesn't count Spann or Wattad.
Without Jeff, the rotation may simply dictate three guard, just to get people time. (Though Thompson hardly seems like a "get people time" guy.)
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2007 14:20:26 GMT -5
If Jeff goes, it will be interesting to see how it settles out. We'll almost certainly see Austin at the 3 at times, but will it be the primary lineup? You've got several options at the 4: 1) Vern. This seems unlikely to me for several reasons. One, it puts 2 non-shooters on the floor at the same time in Roy and Vern. Two, Vern is Roy's backup -- with both of them playing at the same time, it isn't optimal. I wouldn't be surprised if Roy started taking more jump shots next year, especially if his defender tries to sag off of him. He's taken a few this year, and I would bet he'll spend a lot of time developing it during the summer .
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