hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 2, 2007 9:49:14 GMT -5
It's all so complicated, yet it is fun to read. At this point, personally, I don't care whom we play. Beat the best to be the best. Bring 'em on!
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Mar 2, 2007 12:52:09 GMT -5
Hoya Prospecuts also has the issue fairly well covered - the really short version is that there is no set of circumstances under which the Hoyas can not have the number 1 seed in the BET if they win tomorrow - is that right?
Also, is BET seeding the same as determining the regular season conference champion? If we have the same conference record as Pitt after this weekend then we're both conference champions, right?
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FOTP
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Post by FOTP on Mar 2, 2007 15:24:32 GMT -5
We would both be considered champions in the eyes of the Big East.
No worries....the #1 seed is the true champ!!!
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 2, 2007 15:46:08 GMT -5
It's all so complicated, yet it is fun to read. At this point, personally, I don't care whom we play. Beat the best to be the best. Bring 'em on! To be the man, you gotta beat the man. WOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Mar 3, 2007 14:02:07 GMT -5
Following Hoyas win, we are #1 unless the doomsday scenario:
Pitt over Marquette ND over Rutgers Syracuse over Villanova Depaul over USF St. John's over Providence SH over Louisville
UConn is #11 with St. John's loss, #12 if the Johnnies beat Providence.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 3, 2007 15:38:35 GMT -5
I'm sooo confused, can some one please if possible, simply layout what the potential seeding situation will be going into tonights games in order that my 16 yearold daughter can exp;ain it to me.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 3, 2007 15:43:46 GMT -5
OH OH DOES THAT MEAN ITS POSSIBEL THAT WE WONT BE NUMBER ONE SEED I THOUGHT IT WAS A LOCK.. OUCH LET ME KNOW IVE BEEN SPREADING BAD INFORMTATION.. ;D
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Mar 3, 2007 15:50:00 GMT -5
I'm sooo confused, can some one please if possible, simply layout what the potential seeding situation will be going into tonights games in order that my 16 yearold daughter can exp;ain it to me. Sleepy - I'm working some of it out - will try to give scenarios after Cuse-Nova.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 3, 2007 16:08:23 GMT -5
Sleepy, all you have to know is that we're the number 1 seed now that Nova beat Cuse.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 3, 2007 16:08:52 GMT -5
This could be one of the great chokes ever.
Villanova got very lucky there. Sumpter and Cunningham made two of the dumbest plays I have seen all year.
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 3, 2007 16:10:33 GMT -5
Nova just beat Cuse. We are the #1 seed.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 3, 2007 16:11:10 GMT -5
Here's the latest:
4. ND has locked #4 5. Syracuse 10-6 6. Marquette 9-6, plays Pitt Sat. evening ==== 7. WV 8-7, plays Cincinnati Sat. afternoon 8. DePaul 9-7 9. Villanova 9-7 10. PC 9-6, plays St. John's Sunday ====
If PC, WV, and Pitt win, Villanova falls out of the 8-9 game on tiebreaker.
If not, they're the likely opponent Thursday.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2007 16:13:21 GMT -5
What does Pitt winning have to do with it? Won't Marquette be ahead of Nova no matter what? I'm confused.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 3, 2007 16:14:28 GMT -5
Villanova loses all tiebreakers agaisnt these teams. To get Villanova a #10 seed, everyone has to finish 9-7.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 3, 2007 16:16:12 GMT -5
If Marquette loses and Providence and West Virginia win then those 3 and Depaul and Nova all finish at 9-7. Nova loses in that mini conference due to tiebreakers,
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Post by SFOHoya on Mar 3, 2007 16:21:12 GMT -5
Someone answer this for me... if Marquette wins then Nova is automatically in the 8-9 game regardless of other outcomes?
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2007 16:23:01 GMT -5
Nova may be the likely Thursday opponent IF they win on Wednesday. They may play us tough, but they have pretty much struggled against ever other team in the Big East. They were lucky to even beat Syr, at home, on senior day, with everything in the world to play for. Them beating DePaul, WVU or Providence is nothing close to a sure thing.
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Post by mikeylikesit on Mar 3, 2007 16:24:07 GMT -5
no, the pitt-marquette game is irrelevant AS LONG AS wva beats cincy and providence beats st. john's. whether or not marquette is in the mini-conference of 9-7 teams, nova still is behind everyone in tiebreakers.
west virginia is up now, then we need to root for providence tomorrow.
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Mar 3, 2007 16:24:18 GMT -5
The HOYAS have locked up the #1 seed with the Syracuse loss. They will play next at Noon on Thursday.
They will play the winner of the 8/9 game (Noon on Wedneday), but it's a mystery still as to who that will be. - If Providence wins tomorrow, it will be Providence against either Depaul or WV - (If Marquette wins tonight, it would be Prov-Depaul; If Pitt wins tonight, it would be Prov-WV) - If Providence loses tomorrow, it will be Nova against either Depaul or WV - (If Marquette wins tonight, it would be Nova-WV; If Pitt wins tonight, it would be Nova-Depaul) - I don't think there's any way Marquette could fall to the 8/9 game
That leaves 3 games: Pitt-Marquette (tonight, 9pm) SH-Louisville (tomorrow, noon) Providence-St. John's (tomorrow, 2pm)
2 x 2 x 2 = 8 scenarios
And here they are and the standings that would result from each:
Pitt over Marquette Louisville over SH Providence over St. J's 1 HOYAS 2 Pitt (GU wins tiebreak because Louisville is 3rd alone) 3 Louisville 4 ND (11-5) 5 Cuse (10-6) 6 Depaul (9-7) 7 Marquette (9-7) 8 Prov (9-7) 9 WV (9-7) 10 Nova (9-7) 11 Uconn (6-10 - wins tiebreak over St. John's) 12 St. John's * 5-way tie scenario - look to miniconference records: 6. Depaul (2-1, .667 in miniconference) 7. Marquette (3-2, .600) 8. Prov – (2-2, .500, head-to-head over WV) 9. WV – (2-2, .500) 10. Nova (1-3, .250)
Pitt over Marquette Louisville over SH St. J's over Providence 1 HOYAS 2 Pitt 3 Louisville 4 ND 5 Cuse 6 Marq/Depaul - (not sure how BE would break this) 7 Marq/Depaul 8 WV (I think) 9 Nova 10 Prov (8-8) 11 St. John's (7-9) 12 Uconn (6-10) * 4-way tie w/o Providence: 6. Marq or Depaul – (I really don’t think anyone would know how/why between the 2) 7. Marq or Depaul 8. WV (believe me) 9. Nova (0-3 in original miniconference)
Pitt over Marquette SH over Louis Providence over St. J's 1 HOYAS 2 Pitt 3 ND (tiebreak over Louisville at 11-5) 4 Louisville (11-5) 5 Cuse (10-6) 6 Depaul (9-7) 7 Marquette (9-7) 8 Prov (9-7) 9 WV (9-7) 10 Nova (9-7) 11 Uconn 12 St. John's * 5-way tie - (see above) Pitt over Marquette SH over Louis St. J's over Providence 1 HOYAS (13-3) 2 Pitt (13-3) 3 ND (11-5; head-to-head over Louisville) 4 Louisville (11-5) 5 Cuse (10-6) 6 Marq/Depaul - (tough to determine) 7 Marq/Depaul 8 WV (I think) 9 Nova 10 Prov (8-8) 11 St. John's (7-9) 12 Uconn (6-10) *4-way tie: 6. Marq or Depaul – (I really don’t think anyone would know how/why between the 2) 7. Marq or Depaul 8. WV (believe me) 9. Nova (0-3 in original miniconference)
Marquette over Pitt Louisville over SH Providence over St. J's 1 HOYAS 2 Louisville (12-4; head-to-head over Pitt) 3 Pitt 4 ND 5 Cuse (10-6; head-to-head over Marquette) 6 Marquette (10-6) 7 WV 8 Prov/Depaul - (wouldn't matter because 8/9) 9 Prov/Depaul 10 Nova 11 Uconn 12 St. John's *4-way tie: 7. WV (2-1) 8. Prov/Depaul (1-1) (not sure who would be ahead, but it wouldn’t matter since 8/9 anyway) 9. Prov/Depaul (1-1) 10. Nova (1-2)
Marquette over Pitt Louisville over SH St. J's over Providence 1 HOYAS 2 Louisville (12-4, head-to-head over Pitt) 3 Pitt 4 ND (11-5) 5 Cuse (10-6; head-to-head over Marq) 6 Marquette (10-6) 7 WV 8 Depaul 9 Nova 10 Prov (8-8) 11 St. John's (7-9) 12 Uconn (6-10) *3-way tie at 9-7: 7. WV (2-0 vs. Depaul/Nova) 8. Depaul (1-1 vs. WV/Nova) 9. Nova (0-2 vs. WV/Depaul)
Marquette over Pitt SH over Louis Providence over St. J's 1 HOYAS (13-3) 2 Pitt (12-4) 3 ND (11-5; head-to-head over L'ville) 4 Louisville 5 Cuse (10-6, but beat Marq) 6 Marquette (10-6) 7 WV 8 Prov/Depaul - (wouldn't matter because 8/9) 9 Prov/Depaul 10 Nova 11 Uconn 12 St. John's *4-way tie at 9-7: 7. WV (2-1) 8. Prov/Depaul (1-1) (not sure who would be ahead, but it wouldn’t matter since 8/9 anyway) 9. Prov/Depaul (1-1) 10. Nova (1-2)
Marquette over Pitt SH over Louis St. J's over Providence 1 HOYAS (13-3) 2 Pitt (12-4) 3 ND (11-5) 4 L'Ville (11-5) 5 Cuse (10-6) 6 Marquette (10-6, lost to Cuse) 7 WV 8 Depaul 9 Nova 10 Prov (8-8) 11 St. John's (7-9) 12 Uconn (6-10) *3-way tie at 9-7: 7. WV (2-0 vs. Depaul/Nova) 8. Depaul (1-1 vs. WV/Nova) 9. Nova (0-2 vs. WV/Depaul)
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Mar 3, 2007 16:25:49 GMT -5
We can't play Nova unless Providence loses (or WV loses, but...)
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