Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 28, 2007 18:09:50 GMT -5
Wait, I caught one possible error and way that we could actually get nailed. If Providence fell back to 8-8 and ended up tied with Nova, then our loss vs. Nova would rear it's ugly head. We would tie the 5-loss teams (with uneven games rule), tie the 7-loss teams (with uneven games rules), and then proceed to 8-loss teams, where it would be: Pitt 2-0 vs. those teams GU 1-1 (and now the games are even) So the nightmare scenario for the weekend (aside from obviously losing to UConn) is:Pitt over Marq WV over Cincy Depaul over USF Cuse over Nova SH over Louisville ND over Rutgers St. John's over ProvidenceWho are the 7 and 10 teams in that scenario, WVU and Providence?
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Post by GULaw on Feb 28, 2007 18:56:29 GMT -5
Boston's scenario depends also on tonight's games. If Providence beats S. Florida and UConn beats Nova, then we clinch the #1 seed with a win on Saturday. In that scenario, Providence and Nova only finish tied if Nova beats Syracuse, which drops Syracuse below Louisville and gives us the advantage against 5 loss teams regardless of what ND does. Also, in that scenario, if Nova loses to Cuse, then UConn, Nova, and SJU would all finish 7-9 (we would be 3-1, Pitt 3-0), which does not decide it in Pitt's favor either. I think there we would end up getting the #1 seed because we were 2-1 against Syracuse, Louisville, and ND, whereas Pitt was 1-1. After no decision the first time through, we win based on our better percentage against 5 loss teams.
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 28, 2007 19:08:35 GMT -5
GU Law is very correct. I assume both Prov and Nova win tonight. If not, there's a whole string of scenarios to replay. (Though at 8-losses, I'm not sure Nova comes into the running for the 8 or 9 seed.)
And though I don’t think the Death Scenario is possible (How is Seton Hall going to run over red-hot Louisville), I decided to explore Madgesdiq’s inquiry because the Big East Seeding Gods would make it come true if I didn’t look into it…
The quick answer: Prov would be 10th. But I haven't the slightest clue who would be 7th. (Marq, Depaul, or WV)
1. Pitt (13-3) 2. HOYAS (13-3) 3. ND (11-5, 2-0) 4. Louisville (11-5, 1-1) 5. Cuse (11-5, 0-2)
6. ? 7. ? 8. ?
9. Nova (8-8, beat Prov head-to-head) 10. Prov (8-8)
11. St. John's (7-9) 12. UConn (6-10 - assumes loss tonight to Nova)
Why is 6-7-8 so hard? (Though I have a theory…) Among WV, Marquette, and Depaul, the teams were all 1-1 in the "miniconference." So you'd then compare records against the Top Teams (GU + Pitt), which would be determined BEFORE you broke the GU-Pitt tie.
WV: 0-3 Depaul 0-2 Marquette: 1-2
Well, what the heck would happen then? Could you apply the uneven games rule? Maybe not, because WV and Marquette did play equal games. But what about Depaul?
My 1st inkling would be that WV would be dropped and then you'd just be left with Marquette and Depaul. (WV would grab 8th)
Comparing records down the line, you’d have vs. 5-loss teams (L’Ville, SH, Cuse) – both were 1-3 vs. 7-loss teams – [that’s them] vs. 8-loss teams (Prov, Nova under this scenario) – Depaul 1-0, Marq 2-1 (uneven games) vs. 9-loss (St. John’s) – Depaul 1-1, Marq DNP (uneven games) and then both teams beat everyone else or DNP (resulting in uneven games)
So you’d return to the top teams and now disregard the uneven games rule. Marquette’s 1-2 would trump Depaul’s 0-2 vs. Pitt+Gtown
Marquette would be #6 Depaul would be #7
You watch: after 100+ replies on this thread, come Sunday afternoon, you’ll have a perfectly segmented, no-ties bracket and we can all rest easy….
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Post by SFOHoya on Feb 28, 2007 20:11:48 GMT -5
So who am I cheering for tonight (2/28) ? or does it not matter
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 28, 2007 20:17:20 GMT -5
Scottie Reynolds has 28 points with 17 minutes left in the second half. I don't want to see him again.
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Post by miamihoya on Feb 28, 2007 21:33:46 GMT -5
not sure if anybody has brought this up, but what happens if Lousville wins and then both we and Pitt lose? If they had a miniconference between the three teams, Louisville would be 1-1, Pitt 1-2, and the Hoyas 2-1. Would Pitt move to the 3rd seed, and then Louisville and us have to tiebreak among each other, in which case we have a win head-to-head? Hopefully it doesnt come to that, but another interesting scenario.
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 28, 2007 21:34:36 GMT -5
Simple Version:
- The Top 5 teams are set; no one else can get in the mix. (HOYAS, Pitt, Louisville, ND, Cuse)
- The Bottom two teams are set (St. John's, UConn) - UConn will get the #11 seed with a win or a St. John's loss
- The middle 5 is a mess (Marquette, Depaul, WV, Nova, Providence). Marquette has a one game edge at 9-6, but also has the toughest game among the 5-some. WV (Cincy) and Depaul (USF) have the easiest games, but on the final weekend in the Big East, anything can happen.
More to come, but remember that if it ends in a 5-way tie, it'd be: 6. Depaul (2-1, .667 in miniconference) 7. Marquette (3-2, .600) 8. Prov – (2-2, .500, head-to-head over WV) 9. WV – (2-2, .500) 10. Nova (1-3, .250)
If Marquette managed to beat Pitt and get to 10-6, it'd be: 6. Marquette 7. WV (2-1) 8. Prov/Depaul (1-1) (not sure who would be ahead, but it wouldn’t matter since 8/9 anyway) 9. Prov/Depaul (1-1) 10. Nova (1-2)
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Post by GULaw on Feb 28, 2007 21:56:01 GMT -5
If Nova beats Syracuse, to keep Nova from the 8th or 9th seed, it looks like we need Depaul to beat S. Florida at home (very likely), WVU to beat Cincy at home (very likely), and Providence to beat SJU at SJU (more likely than not). If Nova loses, it looks like they are the 10th seed as long as Providence wins. Go Friars!
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 28, 2007 22:10:21 GMT -5
If Nova beats Syracuse, to keep Nova from the 8th or 9th seed, it looks like we need Depaul to beat S. Florida at home (very likely), WVU to beat Cincy at home (very likely), and Providence to beat SJU at SJU (more likely than not). If Nova loses, it looks like they are the 10th seed as long as Providence wins. Go Friars! Exactly what I've been saying all along. Also, forget a bunch of these what-if's. There is no way the Hall is beating Louisville, short of three Louisville starters getting hurt before game time.
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Post by miamihoya on Feb 28, 2007 22:30:50 GMT -5
If Nova beats Syracuse, to keep Nova from the 8th or 9th seed, it looks like we need Depaul to beat S. Florida at home (very likely), WVU to beat Cincy at home (very likely), and Providence to beat SJU at SJU (more likely than not). If Nova loses, it looks like they are the 10th seed as long as Providence wins. Go Friars! Exactly what I've been saying all along. Also, forget a bunch of these what-if's. There is no way the Hall is beating Louisville, short of three Louisville starters getting hurt before game time. there was no way South Florida was beating Georgetown last year at the end of season, yet it happened. Anything is possible...
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Mar 1, 2007 0:06:23 GMT -5
We haven't won a regular season finale since 2002 vs. Rutgers. I hate the Media Guide.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 1, 2007 0:06:40 GMT -5
This is a great thread. Thanks for the effort breaking it down guys. It is amazing to me that, with one game left for each team, not a single seed is set. Usually at this point you can pencil in one or two teams into the BET bracket. Should make for a fun weekend (lots of fun if the first BE game of the weekend goes well).
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Post by JPM32 on Mar 1, 2007 3:18:57 GMT -5
I don't want to see Villanova in that 8-9 game at all. They seem to have Roy's number and it looks like Jay Wright bought himself one helluva player in Scottie Reynolds.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 1, 2007 8:16:23 GMT -5
SCOTTIE COULDA BEEN A HOYA WISH JOSH THORTON HAD MADE UP HIS MIND EARLIER AH PER CHANCE TO DREAM GOHOYAS BEAT UCONN. ;D
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 1, 2007 11:04:30 GMT -5
lic, i'm with you. the dagger keeps getting driven deeper with reynolds looking better and better
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 1, 2007 11:36:19 GMT -5
I just have a bad feeling that nova is this year's version of Syracuse in the BET. They can play with anyone, are much better than their 8-9 seed shows, and licking their chops to get another chance at the top teams in the Big East. Plus, I think they still need to make some noise to assure themselves of a Tourney spot.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 1, 2007 11:40:47 GMT -5
that's we want them on the other side of the bracket with that no. 10 seed. Let Pitt deal with them. I'd love a path that sees us play DePaul, then Notre Dame, then Louisville in the finals. But we'll see.
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Post by Filo on Mar 1, 2007 13:09:15 GMT -5
The Hoyas just need to get back to playing the ball we were playing during the Louisville, Marquette, West Virginia and 'Nova (2nd time) stretch . If the fellas can get there again, we should fear no one, including 'Nova.
Bring 'em on!
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Post by hoyanick on Mar 1, 2007 15:45:59 GMT -5
What is the recent record of #1 and #2 seeds in the Big East Tournament? When is the last time a #1 or #2 seed won it all?
I've been wondering about this the last few days. I'm sure that I'm missing a post somewhere that deals with this, but if anyone can help me out I'd be obliged.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 2, 2007 9:24:42 GMT -5
I think in 2002/2003, Pitt won both titles - regular season and BET. I am not sure if they were the overall #1 seed, though, because the conference might have been split then.
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