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Post by HarbinHoya on Feb 28, 2007 11:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 28, 2007 11:19:33 GMT -5
I'm assuming that's the ESPN Gameday location given the 9pm start and the fact that it's on the flagship...?
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 28, 2007 11:41:01 GMT -5
Marq has lost 4 of 5. A loss to Pitt and an early exit in the BET, and they could be done. This is huge game for them - especially if ND, Nova, Depaul, Syr finish strong.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 28, 2007 11:46:10 GMT -5
I'm assuming that's the ESPN Gameday location given the 9pm start and the fact that it's on the flagship...? You would be correct
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 28, 2007 13:35:04 GMT -5
That is an awesome update, Boston.
I think the statistical odds may slightly favor Villanova as a #10.
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Post by HealyHoya on Feb 28, 2007 14:02:40 GMT -5
Apologies for not reading the preceding 4 pages but can someone answer the following:
If we beat UConn and Pitt beats Marquette is there any way we aren't the #1 seed in the BET? A simple yes/no answer is fine.
Thanks.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 28, 2007 14:21:42 GMT -5
Excellent work, Boston. This proves out that the only sure way for us to avoid Nova on Thursday (and by the way, it's not that I fear Nova so much, I would just rather not see them so early in the BET) absent a very unlikely upset is for Providence to win out.
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Post by GULaw on Feb 28, 2007 14:29:13 GMT -5
Healy,
We get the #1 seed if we both win (or both lose) on Saturday. Pitt only gets the #1 seed if we lose and they win on Saturday.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 28, 2007 14:56:47 GMT -5
YES BEAT UCONN AND WRAP IT UP NEED TO BE NUMBER ONE SEED PLEASE YOU DESERVE IT PLAY AGGRESSIVE ROY STRONG JEFF YOU GREAT A GAME BEAT UCONN 69 OR MORE TO WIN STOP DYSON AND HIS THREES RIGHT AWAY DONT LET HIM GET HOT HOT HOT COOL HIM OFF EARLY BEAT UCONN NUMBER ONE WOULD BE FUNN
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Post by HealyHoya on Feb 28, 2007 15:05:01 GMT -5
Healy, We get the #1 seed if we both win (or both lose) on Saturday. Pitt only gets the #1 seed if we lose and they win on Saturday. Thanks, GULaw. Appreciate it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 28, 2007 15:26:20 GMT -5
There must be something we are missing, because i agree with boston, I dont see how it is clear cut. Their must be something in the tiebreakers that are interpreted differently then we think. We lost to Syr and Nova, they lost to Marquette and Lville. i am just not seeing why it is so clear cut.
That said, it is certainly clear cut if the things that are more than likely to happen, happen. (i.e., if L'ville wins, it is a done deal. They lost to them, we beat them. L'ville is the highest ranking team).
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Post by VictorSkyPage on Feb 28, 2007 15:32:42 GMT -5
great work boston...
I agree with GUjook about Marquette... they really, really need this game against Pitt for the reasons outlined (they need a shot in the arm worse than any team in the country).. I think they'll come out fired up and take this game
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Post by FOTP on Feb 28, 2007 15:44:11 GMT -5
The easiest no-brainer tie breaker is with a L-Ville win over SHU. That's easy.
I've read the tie-breaker rules and I'm still a little confused. Say ND and L-Ville (assumes loss to SHU) end up tied for 3rd and Syr. is alone in 5th.
Do they add up ND and L-Ville and see how we do? We would be 2-0 and Pitt would be just 0-1. However, I thought if we didn't play the teams the same amount of times then it goes on to the next team? That would be Cuse and we'd lose out? Or since even if Pitt played one of these teams again the best they could do is 1-1 which wouldn't catch us then we win that tie-breaker (I actually think this is correct)
Or would they look at ND and L_Ville as separate teams and not add them together in which case we would win based on the L_Ville game again?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2007 15:59:28 GMT -5
The easiest no-brainer tie breaker is with a L-Ville win over SHU. That's easy. I've read the tie-breaker rules and I'm still a little confused. Say ND and L-Ville (assumes loss to SHU) end up tied for 3rd and Syr. is alone in 5th. Do they add up ND and L-Ville and see how we do? We would be 2-0 and Pitt would be just 0-1. However, I thought if we didn't play the teams the same amount of times then it goes on to the next team? That would be Cuse and we'd lose out? Or since even if Pitt played one of these teams again the best they could do is 1-1 which wouldn't catch us then we win that tie-breaker (I actually think this is correct) Or would they look at ND and L_Ville as separate teams and not add them together in which case we would win based on the L_Ville game again? The tiebreaker only moves on if the number of games played against the opponent (s) are uneven and the tied team with the least # of games played could equal the other team's record if they got to play more games. So in this case, it DOES NOT move on, b/c we're 2-0 (2 games played) against ND and L'Ville, while Pitt is 0-1 (1 game played) so even if they got that 2nd game and won, we'd finish ahead of them
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Post by FOTP on Feb 28, 2007 16:15:56 GMT -5
OK...thanks. Bear with me for just a second though. I was running some scenarios and what about this one:
Pitt/GU win L-Ville loses Cuse beats Nova Rest win as "expected"
You could have a 3 way tie for 2nd with L-Ville, Cuse and ND Pitt would be 1-1 and we would be 2-1. They would move on then.
Then you very well could have a 4 way tie for 5th with Marquette, Providence, DePaul and WV. In that mini-conference it would be Pitt at 5-1 and GU would be 3-0. Again very uneven and you'd have to move on.
Next would be Nova at the 10 seed and we'd be 1-1 and Pitt would be 1-0. Again you would have to move on since it's uneven.
After than we would each have beaten everyone else and the tie would still be there.
What happens next?
Maybe I'm insane and am missing something here, but...
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 28, 2007 16:46:45 GMT -5
Dead on, FOTP. That is exactly what I was considering (and, I think bostonhoya05, as well). That is why I think there is either something in the rules we are missing, or it just goes to the 17th tiebreaker, which we someone how win because Georgetown starts with a "G" and Pittsburgh starts with a "P"
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 28, 2007 16:55:49 GMT -5
FOTP, we don't have it wrapped up, and I'm also pretty sure the BE tiebreaker rules are not foolproof.
Basically, I think the BE office is hoping that Louisville takes care of business with Seton Hall and makes all these lines moot.
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Post by FOTP on Feb 28, 2007 17:53:44 GMT -5
Thanks guys. That's what I thought. A lot of strange things would have to happen, but I didn't think it was as absolutely rock solid that we win we get the #1.
The unbalanced schedule is rearing its ugly head...
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 28, 2007 17:57:37 GMT -5
OK...thanks. Bear with me for just a second though. I was running some scenarios and what about this one: Pitt/GU win L-Ville loses Cuse beats Nova Rest win as "expected" You could have a 3 way tie for 2nd with L-Ville, Cuse and ND Pitt would be 1-1 and we would be 2-1. They would move on then. Then you very well could have a 4 way tie for 5th with Marquette, Providence, DePaul and WV. In that mini-conference it would be Pitt at 5-1 and GU would be 3-0. Again very uneven and you'd have to move on. Next would be Nova at the 10 seed and we'd be 1-1 and Pitt would be 1-0. Again you would have to move on since it's uneven. After than we would each have beaten everyone else and the tie would still be there. What happens next? Maybe I'm insane and am missing something here, but... FOTP, that's a great pull. I guess I'm putting too much stock in Pitino and his boys... You're right though. Under that scenario: Records against 5-loss teams (L'Ville, Cuse, ND): GU 2-1 Pitt 1-1 (wouldn't settle - uneven games) 7-loss teams (WV, Marq, Depaul, maybe Prov): GU 3-0 Pitt 5-1 (loss to Marquette) (wouldn't settle - uneven games) 8-loss team (Nova) GU 1-1 Pitt 1-0 (wouldn't settle - uneven games) Then both teams would be undefeated (and therefore tied against everyone else). THE KICKER FOR US is that we'd then go to the language at the end of Page 1: "If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there a comparison of unequal games." So we'd go BACK to the records against the 3 5-loss teams. GU is 2-1 (.750) and Pitt is 1-1 (.500) because they didn't play ND and split with the other two. So we'd get the #1.
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 28, 2007 18:05:56 GMT -5
Wait, I caught one possible error and way that we could actually get nailed. If Providence fell back to 8-8 and ended up tied with Nova, then our loss vs. Nova would rear it's ugly head.
We would tie the 5-loss teams (with uneven games rule), tie the 7-loss teams (with uneven games rules), and then proceed to 8-loss teams, where it would be:
Pitt 2-0 vs. those teams GU 1-1 (and now the games are even)
So the nightmare scenario for the weekend (aside from obviously losing to UConn) is: Pitt over Marq WV over Cincy Depaul over USF Cuse over Nova SH over Louisville ND over Rutgers St. John's over Providence
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