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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 25, 2007 16:23:52 GMT -5
Cut the nets down for a regular season championship? That's something Jay Wright would do (except he has never won a regular season championship outright or a postseason championship).
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 25, 2007 18:29:31 GMT -5
I think WVU has a great chance to upset Pitt. If not upset Pitt at least cover.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 25, 2007 18:35:20 GMT -5
Thanks Boston. That answered a lot of questions I had.
One question for the board, my recollection is that the #1 seed has traditionally opened the Thursday day session with the noon game against the 8-9 winner. Is that right?
And have the seed schedule for the Wednesday games been set. (e.g. last year #8 vs #9 was at noon and we played ND in the #5 vs #12 game that followed).
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 25, 2007 18:39:06 GMT -5
Thursday Quarters:
Noon - 1 v. 8/9 2pm - 4 v. 5/12
7pm - 2 v. 7/10 9pm - 3 v. 6/11
Friday Semis:
7pm 1/8/9 v. 4/5/12 9pm 2/7/10 v. 3/6/11
Saturday Final is at 9pm
The entire tournament is on ESPN
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 25, 2007 18:44:07 GMT -5
I think WVU has a great chance to upset Pitt. If not upset Pitt at least cover. If WVU covers, how does that affect the seeding?
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 25, 2007 18:56:32 GMT -5
It doesn't, I just threw that in for all the betting fans out there.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 25, 2007 18:57:36 GMT -5
People bet on sports? Heavens! ;D
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 25, 2007 19:04:43 GMT -5
Thanks. It's fortunate that I didn't give up drinking before noon for lent this year. Thursday Quarters: Noon - 1 v. 8/9 2pm - 4 v. 5/12 7pm - 2 v. 7/10 9pm - 3 v. 6/11 Friday Semis: 7pm 1/8/9 v. 4/5/12 9pm 2/7/10 v. 3/6/11 Saturday Final is at 9pm The entire tournament is on ESPN
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 25, 2007 22:09:15 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 26, 2007 9:27:03 GMT -5
great discussion but it looks pretty SEEDY to me go hoyas crush the oranges seeds tonite beat cuse ;D
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Post by FOTP on Feb 26, 2007 12:49:38 GMT -5
I ran some scenarios over at that WV site that shows where seeding would be and everyone needs to understand that this game tonight is huge for us in terms of getting the #1 seed. Losing to Cuse puts us in some serious tie-breaking issues with Pitt. JUst winning 1 out of 2 is not even really close to sure thing in terms of seeding.
In fact, I ran a very logical scenario. If L_Ville, ND and Cuse end up tied or even if L-Ville ends up along in 2nd with NC and Cuse tied in 3rd we lose the tiebreaker with Pitt.
The huge game then would be Syr. @ Nova. We win tiebreakers as long as Cuse wouldn't be tied with ND and/or L-Ville.
Just goes without saying that tonights game is absolutely huge for so many reasons...including the fact that we hate Cuse.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 26, 2007 13:01:05 GMT -5
I ran some scenarios over at that WV site that shows where seeding would be and everyone needs to understand that this game tonight is huge for us in terms of getting the #1 seed. Losing to Cuse puts us in some serious tie-breaking issues with Pitt. JUst winning 1 out of 2 is not even really close to sure thing in terms of seeding. In fact, I ran a very logical scenario. If L_Ville, ND and Cuse end up tied or even if L-Ville ends up along in 2nd with NC and Cuse tied in 3rd we lose the tiebreaker with Pitt. The huge game then would be Syr. @ Nova. We win tiebreakers as long as Cuse wouldn't be tied with ND and/or L-Ville. Just goes without saying that tonights game is absolutely huge for so many reasons...including the fact that we hate Cuse. I was under the impression that L'Ville (and ND) will finish ahead of Cuse no matter what, due to mini conference tiebreakers/head to head tiebreakers and thus, the Hoyas have the tiebreaker over Pitt due to how the two teams fared against L'Ville.
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 26, 2007 13:03:49 GMT -5
I agree with FOTP. Everyone assumes that because Louisville will likely be #3, we'll be fine if we're tied with Pitt (because Pitt lost to Louisville). BUT Louisville could still lose to Seton Hall (not likely, but stranger things have happened). And if there was a tie, even if Louisville would win a tiebreaker against ND & Cuse, the rules state that the comparison for us and Pitt would be for ALL TEAMS TIED FOR THAT POSITION. So we would compare our record against LVille+ND+Cuse against their record against those 3 teams.
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Post by FOTP on Feb 26, 2007 13:05:46 GMT -5
I believe Pitt played L-Ville twice and split. So in the tie-breaker rules Pitt and G_Town could not be compared with L-Ville because it was an uneven number of games. The Cuse loss would kill us in that scenario.
We just need Cuse out of there...
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 26, 2007 13:07:15 GMT -5
I agree with FOTP. Everyone assumes that because Louisville will likely be #3, we'll be fine if we're tied with Pitt (because Pitt lost to Louisville). BUT Louisville could still lose to Seton Hall (not likely, but stranger things have happened). And if there was a tie, even if Louisville would win a tiebreaker against ND & Cuse, the rules state that the comparison for us and Pitt would be for ALL TEAMS TIED FOR THAT POSITION. So we would compare our record against LVille+ND+Cuse against their record against those 3 teams. Wouldn't we have the better record? Even with a loss to Cuse, we'd be 2-1, and they'd be 1-1, since they didn't play ND.
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Post by FOTP on Feb 26, 2007 13:13:07 GMT -5
Therin lies the problem. You can only compare teams that you've played the same amount of times. So even going to ND doesn't help us at all. It would move to Cuse and we'd lose in that scenario.
The tie-breaker is dumb because of the unbalanced schedule and should be re-analyzed due to the structure of the Big East.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 26, 2007 13:20:54 GMT -5
Therin lies the problem. You can only compare teams that you've played the same amount of times. So even going to ND doesn't help us at all. It would move to Cuse and we'd lose in that scenario. The tie-breaker is dumb because of the unbalanced schedule and should be re-analyzed due to the structure of the Big East. But why would it move to Cuse if L'Ville would finish higher than them in any tiebreaker scenario? What am I missing here?
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Post by FOTP on Feb 26, 2007 13:23:24 GMT -5
If L-Ville ends up 3rd alone then you can't compare G-Town and Pitt to L-Ville because we didn't play them the same amount of games. They would then move on in the standings until they found a team that we played the same amount of times...stupid concept, but it's their way of dealing with the unbalanced schedule.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 26, 2007 13:28:20 GMT -5
If L-Ville ends up 3rd alone then you can't compare G-Town and Pitt to L-Ville because we didn't play them the same amount of games. They would then move on in the standings until they found a team that we played the same amount of times...stupid concept, but it's their way of dealing with the unbalanced schedule. Pitt played L'Ville once, we played them once. Doesn't that work? scores.espn.go.com/ncb/teamsched?teamId=221
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Post by FOTP on Feb 26, 2007 13:34:17 GMT -5
I totally aplogize. I thought they split. L-Ville at #3 would do the trick. It's only bad if they tie with Cuse.
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