Full BET Seeding Scenarios Thread

[bostonhoya05]

FINAL STANDINGS

1. HOYAS 13-3
2. Louisville 12-4 - (head-to-head over Pitt)
3. Pitt 12-4
4. ND 11-5
5. Cuse 10-6 (head-to-head over Marquette)
6. Marquette 10-6
7. WV 9-7
8. Depaul 9-7
9. Nova 9-7
10. Prov 8-8
11. St. John’s 7-9
12. UConn 6-10

13. Seton Hall 4-12
14. USF 3-13
15. Rutgers 3-13
16. Cincy 2-14


The 9-7 tiebreaker was broken via mini-conference among the 3 teams:
7. WV (2-0 vs. Depaul/Nova)
8. Depaul (1-1)
9. Nova (0-2)


So here's the schedule:
grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/bige/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/07bechampbracket.pdf

Wednesday
Noon - 8/9 - Nova-Depaul
2pm - 5-12 - Syracuse-UConn
7pm - 7/10 - WV-Providence
9pm - 6/11 - Marquette-St. John's

Thursday
Noon - Hoyas vs. Nova/Depaul
2pm - ND vs. Syracuse/UConn
7pm - Louisville vs. WV/Providence
9pm - Pitt vs. Marquette/St. John's

Friday
7pm - Noon vs. 2pm Winners
9pm - 7pm vs. 9pm Winners

Saturday
9pm - Championship Game

[bostonhoya05]

Now for some analysis that I didn’t want to peg on the main post:

- You have to like Notre Dame’s chances to finish at 11-5 with Rutgers sitting there for the taking (even it is on the road). I don’t see Louisville losing twice, so that would mean only Syracuse can contest the #4 seed at 5 losses and they lost to ND, so ND would have tiebreaker. Syracuse also lost to Louisville, so even if the Cards slipped once, they'd stay ahead of Cuse too.

- Louisville did lose to ND, so if Pitino & Co. slip once (UConn or Seton Hall), ND can jump them with a win over Rutgers and claim the #3.

- Louisville could very well end up as the #2. Pitt could very well lose one or both of their remaining game and Louisville has two easier games. But at the least, I think Louisville will settle at #3. Pitt is really the X Factor. If they can recover against WV and Marquette, they will secure the #2 and push those two teams further downward. If they slip again, they’ll fall to #3 (though not a major deal because they’ll still get Louisville in a 2-3 semifinal)

- Without trying to jinx the Hoyas, if we can beat UConn, I think that relegates them to #12. They could very easily lose out and finish at 6-10. St. John’s can do no worse than 7-9 (currently at 7-8 and with only one game left - Providence at the Garden). If UConn can win one, they’d be at 7-9 also and hold the head-to-head tiebreaker over St. John’s. Either way, I think it’s safe to pencil those two teams in for seeds 11 and 12. The only other teams that could have 9 losses are Nova (7-7 with UConn and Cuse left) and Providence (also 7-7, St. John’s and USF). Providence is not losing twice with that schedule.

- There is just no way of predicting the mess from 5 to 10. I would hope I can come up with some sort of matrix after at least the weekday results, but WOW, just so much there. The only virtue/vice about that is this: hey, the teams are so tight in there anyway that it probably doesn’t matter whether we label a team 7, 8, 9, or 10 – they’re roughly of the same caliber and we’ll just have to go out and beat someone if we’re 1 or 2.

- Again, not to look ahead, but say we can get by the 8-9 or 7-10 matchup, looks for Louisville to take care of business and get the 3 and ND to settle at the 4. Syracuse controls its own destiny for the 5, but they have two tough games left. 5 could be anyone from Cuse to Marquette to WV or Depaul.

[Deleted]

Posts like this one are why I love HoyaTalk. I second the notion this gets tacked to the top for the next week.

Thanks, boston!

[CO_Hoya]

See also this post on Hoya Prospectus

[1984alloveragain]

Man, I'd LOVE it if it ended the way it is now! We wouldn't have to see Pitt, Nova or L'ville till the final (not to mention MU and WVU, which wouldn't bother me as much). Here's to hoping it stays the way it is...

[sleepyjackson21]

Our quarterfinal game could be very tough. It's possible that we could face either Villanova or Marquette. Providence, DePaul, Su, Marquette and Nova all could be headed for a 9-7 conference record.

[GIGAFAN99]

How about this scenario: WVU really desperately needs a win to get into the tournament and Marquette at home will be tough for the Panthers.

What about Pitt at 11-5 and tied with Notre Dame? That gives ND the #3 seed and Pitt the #4 thanks to the Louisville win. And if they're all 11-5, I think that makes ND, get this, #2! It's not probable but it is certainly possible given Pitt's next two games.

[McBricks]

Good seeing the Johnnies in the tourney. It's good to have them playing in the Garden and good for the Big East.

[SaxaCD]

mcbricks said:

Good seeing the Johnnies in the tourney. It's good to have them playing in the Garden and good for the Big East.

What would be good for the tourney is if Cuse and UConn missed it. Fan IQ quotient would rise by double digits.

[hoya4ever]

Play nice... still hilarious though

[Big Dog]

Providence isn't 9-7 yet. That needs to be fixed.

[EasyEd]

Louisville beat UCONN 76-67. Why isn't this site updated yet. It's been 6 minutes since the game was over.

[EasyEd]

Wow, by the time I posted that the site had been updated. I'm impressed.

[TBird41]

ed said:

Louisville beat UCONN 76-67. Why isn't this site updated yet. It's been 6 minutes since the game was over.

L'ville's win just guaranteed us the tiebreaker over Pitt. The Cardinals hold the tiebreaker over 'Cuse if they tie b/c they beat them, and if ND, L'ville and Cuse tie, they would still finish ahead of them (but behind ND) in the mini-conference.

So basically, our magic number for the #1 seed is now 1

[The Stig]

If we take the top seed and Nova doesn't overtake Providence, we could have a dream bracket for the Hoyas. The three teams I'm most worried about are Nova (always play us tough), Pitt (still very dangerous), and Louisville (after us, the hottest team in the conference). To have all three of those teams on the other side of the bracket would be very nice indeed.

[The Stig]

For those of you who don't know the Big East bracket, here's the potential matchups as far as seeds go:

If the Hoyas get the #1 seed:
1st round: #8 or #9 seed
2nd round: #4, #5, or #12 seed
Finals: The other side of the bracket (#2, #3, #6, #7, #10, #11 seeds)

If the Hoyas get the #2 seed:
1st round: #7 or #10 seed
2nd round: #3, #6, or #11 seed
Finals: The other side of the bracket

[bostonhoya05]

tbird41 said:

ed said:

Louisville beat UCONN 76-67. Why isn't this site updated yet. It's been 6 minutes since the game was over.

L'ville's win just guaranteed us the tiebreaker over Pitt. The Cardinals hold the tiebreaker over 'Cuse if they tie b/c they beat them, and if ND, L'ville and Cuse tie, they would still finish ahead of them (but behind ND) in the mini-conference.

So basically, our magic number for the #1 seed is now 1

Correct. And Louisville win just guaranteed they will have Wednesday off from MSG also. Worst they can do is 3-way tie at 11-5 with ND and Syracuse. Cuse lost to both teams, so they would fall out of that mini-conference.

[1984alloveragain]

Our magic number is one now? That means we win the BEAST tomorrow night at the carrier dome with a win! I SAY LET'S CUT DOWN THE NETS AT MANL.. I mean, the carrier dome!!!

[bostonhoya05]

1984alloveragain said:

Our magic number is one now? That means we win the BEAST tomorrow night at the carrier dome with a win! I SAY LET'S CUT DOWN THE NETS AT MANL.. I mean, the carrier dome!!!

We clinch the #1 seed. I think technically we would be co-league champions if we stumbled on Saturday.

[1984alloveragain]

Pitt's NOT winning both their remaining games... They'll be lucky to come away with one, which I hope they do, but WVU and MU are gonna come out FIGHTING, smelling blood.