PDRHoya99
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Nov 21, 2006 16:50:28 GMT -5
Is it just me or should Rob marry a woman named Wright, and then hyphenate his last name to be Hurte kant-Wright. The Hoya used to be home to such standouts of journalistic talent such as Patrick Hruby (Page 2), Sean Flynn (GQ) and the pro-wrestling column.
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miamihoya
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Post by miamihoya on Nov 21, 2006 16:55:16 GMT -5
all these people are starting to sound like a broken record...let the fans decide for themselves whats appropriate and whats not appropriate behavior...we got into georgetown, i think we can figure it out without getting lectured
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 21, 2006 16:56:46 GMT -5
Great article in the Hoya. His idea of a creative chant is "T him up." Freaking genius over there.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Nov 21, 2006 16:58:19 GMT -5
Is it just me or should Rob marry a woman named Wright, and then hyphenate his last name to be Hurte kant-Wright. The Hoya used to be home to such standouts of journalistic talent such as Patrick Hruby (Page 2), Sean Flynn (GQ) and the pro-wrestling column. Hmmm.... I wonder if Rob Hurtekant is any relation to the hoyarob who started this thread. At the very least, we know Rob H is not a regular contributor to The Hoya, so maybe cut him some slack.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 21, 2006 17:02:25 GMT -5
Is it just me or should Rob marry a woman named Wright, and then hyphenate his last name to be Hurte kant-Wright. The Hoya used to be home to such standouts of journalistic talent such as Patrick Hruby (Page 2), Sean Flynn (GQ) and the pro-wrestling column. Hmmm.... I wonder if Rob Hurtekant is any relation to the hoyarob who started this thread. At the very least, we know Rob H is not a regular contributor to The Hoya, so maybe cut him some slack. And he does make some good points as well--chanting b.S. after every call is stupid and unoriginal.
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hoyanick
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Post by hoyanick on Nov 21, 2006 17:16:46 GMT -5
People compared leaving a game early with walking out on a friend who needs help with his girlfriend. I guess it's a reasonable comparison but I think that if your friend was being unproductive in the conversation and didn't appear to be putting forth a 100% effort towards accomplishing the goal, you would leave and say "ok, I'll spend more time talking about this with you when you are willing to help yourself as well." Agreed. Though, I'd also give my friend - in this case, the Georgetown team - the benefit of the doubt due to the hard-work they have put in over the past two-plus years to learn III's system and earn a place in the Sweet 16. One night of weakness probably isn't representative of the team's character.
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YB
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Post by YB on Nov 21, 2006 17:36:14 GMT -5
What happened to "Incorrect, sir"? I thought that was a bit classier...
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Nov 21, 2006 17:44:56 GMT -5
Actually yelling "bovine feces" would be pretty cool.
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Post by gujake on Nov 21, 2006 20:22:24 GMT -5
Hmmm.... I wonder if Rob Hurtekant is any relation to the hoyarob who started this thread. At the very least, we know Rob H is not a regular contributor to The Hoya, so maybe cut him some slack. And he does make some good points as well--chanting b.S. after every call is stupid and unoriginal. Yeah, this was my biggest problem as well. It just makes us look like idiots. I remember at least three times thinking, "come on guys, they got that call right." Although I don't like it, I know people are going to use BS and a-hole chants. At least use it at an appropriate time.
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Post by FLHoya on Nov 21, 2006 20:59:02 GMT -5
If it's gotten to the point where we're insulting a well-meaning die-hard student fan who took the time to write an editorial in The Hoya...coupled with all the other back-and-forths in this thread...might we have lost a little more than just a game this past Sunday at McDonough?
Everybody probably needs to take a step back from this one. Consider a few questions:
What do you think the student section did Sunday that worked? What didn't work?
Would you have changed anything you personally did at the game?
If you were a neutral observer--perhaps a journalist for a local paper--and you had to do a story Monday morning about the student fans at McDonough at the ODU game, what would you write about?
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 22, 2006 9:25:03 GMT -5
If you were a neutral observer--perhaps a journalist for a local paper--and you had to do a story Monday morning about the student fans at McDonough at the ODU game, what would you write about? Ok, if, hypothetically, would I write for the big name local paper, or the lesser known paper? I mean, this needs to be taken into consideration, since obviously, if I worked for one, I would be an awful writer, who offered no insight and was a big joke, but if I worked for the other, I would be an amazing, insightful writer, who was able to break down hoops in a way not seen since the golden era of sports journalism. ;D
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Oh My!
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Post by Oh My! on Nov 22, 2006 10:45:09 GMT -5
A little dis-jointed at times, but the point of the article is clear, and I agree with him 100%. As an aside, out students ARE capable of creative cheering, such as the comment overheard during warmups: "Monarchs? Isn't that a butterfly?"
For some reason, it was abandoned at gametime. It could work well with the cadence of "Monarch................Butterfly.................clap-clap....................clap-clap-clap"
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Post by hoyarob on Nov 22, 2006 11:47:12 GMT -5
MBHoya99... I am the guy who wrote the editorial. I wrote it in about 10 minutes while at my internship because the staff of the Hoya needed it Monday morning to get it out for the Tuesday print edition. A lot of my wording was changed by The Hoya staff w/o my permission, so the edited copy did turn out a little disjointed. Next time you'd like to personally insult me, do me a favor and do so in a Personal Message via this board or at rah37@georgetown.edu. I won't post on this thread anymore....I'm not on any crusade. I just wrote the editorial to express an opinion to the student body, because as people rightly pointed out...a lot of the behavior I disagreed with was the larger student body acting in mob mentality and had nothing to do with Hoya Blue, the guys on this board, or other diehard fans. (Apologies to JimmyHoya who was victim of some friendly fire on my part)
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Oh My!
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Post by Oh My! on Nov 22, 2006 12:13:44 GMT -5
"The Hoya used to be home to such standouts of journalistic talent such as Patrick Hruby (Page 2), Sean Flynn (GQ) and the pro-wrestling column."
I distinctly remember some witty columns from some guy from Boston in the Hoya a few years back. I think the title of his column was "In The Scrum". Good Stuff.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 22, 2006 14:31:52 GMT -5
YB, "Incorrect Sir" was tried instead of "Bull-" at the beginning of last year but never caught on and was scrapped. I reserve the right to yell "Bull-" and "Ass-hole" when I feel the situation warrants itself, but I agree that we did it far too often on Sunday night. I'm also in favor of using non-profanity chants to replace those when possible. I think a good, more PG-rated and family friendly cheer to replace the "Ass-hole" one is "Dirty Bastard clap clap clapclapclap." Hopefully we can start to use that one if we need it next game and beyond.
But really, I don't think much more needs to be discussed here. Yes, the game was disappointing, and the parts of the student section overreacted at times. But it was just a tough loss that a lot of people took personally, since it was at our on-campus home. Just one game, fellas. I'm hoping we can back to our normal, positive, loud but classy selves for Monday night's game at Verizon vs. Ball State.
But first things first, let's beat Fairfield tonight. Hopefully in a comfortable fashion.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Nov 22, 2006 16:02:57 GMT -5
The student section was coordinated even poorer than a Doc Rivers basketball team--that's why we have this thread.
Last night my 11 y/o sister tried to watch House instead of the bball, claiming it was "her" turn to watch tv. My father agreed. I started a "Bullsh!t!" No one was offended. I tested the "a$$hole" chant on my weasel sister afterwards and there was mutual agreement that it was unnecessary. By this experience, I think that the BS should stay, the a-hole chant should leave.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Nov 23, 2006 0:48:11 GMT -5
A lot of my wording was changed by The Hoya staff w/o my permission, so the edited copy did turn out a little disjointed. Ah, The Hoya... Couple points on Rob's piece... In general I think the premise is OK. I think some people have short memories about our fanbase though, in regards to the whole leaving early thing. I see the point about it being disrespectful (though it's only mildly disrespectful), and would agree with those who suggest that a better fan is going to stay for the duration regardless of the score. But there are some people (not Rob) suggesting that people should lose their season tickets if they leave early (presumably if something like that were possible)... you have to remember that we're Georgetown, and even though ticket sales were way up this year, our fanbase is still really small compared to most competitors and we need every fan we can get. Sure, it sucks that people leave early, but at least people are in the building. Anyone remember the home McDonough game back in fall semester of 2004? If I were convinced that there were tons of people who wouldn't leave early that could have had these tickets instead of the folks leaving early, I'd agree, but I'm not confident the demand is that high yet. Second, Rob says that our chants were juvenile and "ineffective". But really, almost all chants are ineffective, despite what we want to think. Total noise output can have an effect, but in most cases, no matter how clever the cheer, it's not really doing much. I agree that the BS chant is overused. Wish it was used less. But students are, and I think its entirely fair, going to be extremely biased and going to believe that every close call should go their way. And when frustrated like Sunday, they're going to be really vocal about it. I definitely wouldn't call being biased & frustrated "idiotic" as Rob does. It's entirely natural and I'm fairly certain it happens in every group of fans in the country and the world. "Crying wolf" as he calls it is something EVERYONE does, and is somewhat inevitable. Does that mean we should chant "bovine feces" multiple times per game? No. There are better ways to make frustration known than falling back on that all the time. If the school is really concerned about how we're perceived, then IMO easyed's suggestion should be taken seriously. That's the only way you will totally snuff it out. As for ass-hole chants, I feel roughly the same way about that. Most of the time it's hackneyed and wack but occasionally it's warranted and IMO Sunday it was. I felt like walking down to the court and smacking #42. If he fed off of it, then good for him, but I certainly don't think you should lay off of players because they MIGHT turn it into a positive. If that were the rule we abided by, then we'd never chant anything negative or personal at anyone. I don't remember the a-hole chant being used all that many times before Sunday, so IMO, not that big a deal. At some other schools they'll bust out the a-hole chant all the time, for instance when a guy misses an open dunk, they'll chant that. We don't overuse it that much, and as long as it's only used once in a while, it's whatever IMO. And as for interaction with ODU fans, IMO Rob didn't have perfect info on this one. I am fairly certain I saw him come in and sit down the north end of the gym, nowhere near the ODU fans. Having sat right near them for the entire game, I can say with certainty that the more vocal of them were extremely immature and antagonistic. I'm sure there were a number of decent folks in their midst, but I am struggling to remember a more antagonistic group of fans coming to McD/MCI in my time here, and that includes Syracuse, Pitt, and even WVU. And I always sit near the opposing fans, so I've got a pretty good frame of reference. I won't outline their exact behavior but it was essentially a lot of 40+ year old men acting like they were 13. And I imagine that their fans kept up that antagonistic attitude as our fans were filing out--I walked out the other exit to avoid them. Should our fans be mature enough to ignore it and walk out? Ideally, yes, but these guys sitting in the front of the ODU section were IMO over the line (though others may have felt differently), and every person has a breaking point. If they were acting the same way as they had been at points of the game, I think we're lucky that our fans just shouted back, and it didn't go any further. In short, I think Rob would have had a totally different view on that if he had sat where I did for the game. It's tough to say our fans showed a lack of class when you're comparing them to some of the ODU folk. And if we're perceived as entitled, so what? Nobody ever looks at opposing fanbases in a positive light, they're going to stereotype you in one way or the other... I'd rather be the entitled, pink polo guys than crass and idiotic like most others. But either way, it's not a big deal to me. People will stereotype and make of you what they will, so as long as you're comfortable with what you are, that's what counts. The GU student section is far from perfect at this point for a number of reasons, but it could definitely be worse and I think it's important to have realistic expectations. Every fanbase everywhere has people who act immaturely, who are profane, who are uneducated about the game, who leave early, who don't make much noise, etc. etc. etc. All you can do is try to minimize it, and while I have some qualms with how things went Sunday, I don't think there is any reason to be especially concerned on any of those fronts.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Nov 23, 2006 1:13:03 GMT -5
For just a taste of how annoying the ODU fans were check this other piece from Friday's Hoya, where an ODU fan (who, by my calculation, is probably about 50 years old) took the time out to write to our school paper and take shots at our team, coach, gym, and conference. www.thehoya.com/viewpoint/112106/view7.cfmI know the fans of the winning team get bragging rights, but really, what kind of a 50 year old adult takes the time out to write something like that to a school newspaper? Anyway, imagine this attitude, only much more hostile, much more vulgar, and MUCH more in-your-face, at a time when you're frustrated about a loss. That's what our students were faced with when leaving the gym Sunday, so I think it's extremely unfair to the point of being ridiculous to suggest that our fans were showing a "lack of class" and "sense of entitlement" when they shouted back. They're only human.
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Post by kghoya on Nov 23, 2006 1:22:37 GMT -5
i bet i know which guy that was...if you were there you know who i am talking about...god bless his soul
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Post by sweetness on Nov 23, 2006 1:24:51 GMT -5
Talk about a loser -- way to make a fool of yourself publicly Mr. David Jones. Based on what you exhibit in that letter, I am sure you are mired in mediocrity, just like your basketball program.
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