KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Apr 26, 2004 15:53:10 GMT -5
I thought I read on here last week that DFW was going to comment further on Monday about his reservations concerning the coaching selection process. Am I imagining things? Is that still going to happen? Curious to hear his thoughts after his previous post.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 26, 2004 16:24:48 GMT -5
Patience - here's DFW's quote - obviously he hasn't made contact yet with whomever he's looking to speak with. I have not commented publicly on this and do not intend to do so at this time. ... Until I can meet with some people who are closer to the situation, discretion is probably the best thing for me right now and I hope to speak more about it next week and that's all I'll say.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 26, 2004 16:26:11 GMT -5
yeah i am anxious to hear some more rumors from dfw...never thought id say rumors and dfw in the same post
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Post by tboy on Apr 26, 2004 20:31:43 GMT -5
if i had to guess having been at the same meeting i would think it will be a positive statement.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 26, 2004 20:34:49 GMT -5
yeah i am anxious to hear some more rumors from dfw... No rumors, sorry. Anyway, a brief recap: Three were some reports communicated to me concerning candidates who were interviewed and who were not that basically led me to back off any message board statements until I learned more about the process. Over this weekend in Philadelphia, a number of alumni had the opportunity to hear from former athletic director Frank Rienzo, who took the time to carefullly and methodically go over the process the committee took, and answered questions from the group. To make a long story short, it was clear to me that the committee certainly exercised a high standard of due diligence throughout the process, with the help of the strict confidentiality employed by the committee. To echo tboy's comment above, it was a very positive meeting. Now, back to basketball...
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 26, 2004 21:06:22 GMT -5
No rumors, sorry. Anyway, a brief recap: Three were some reports communicated to me concerning candidates who were interviewed and who were not that basically led me to back off any message board statements until I learned more about the process. Over this weekend in Philadelphia, a number of alumni had the opportunity to hear from former athletic director Frank Rienzo, who took the time to carefullly and methodically go over the process the committee took, and answered questions from the group. To make a long story short, it was clear to me that the committee certainly exercised a high standard of due diligence throughout the process, with the help of the strict confidentiality employed by the committee. To echo tboy's comment above, it was a very positive meeting. Now, back to basketball... Good to hear. Mr. Reinzo is a class A guy and one of the real unsung heroes of the Big East - Gavitt gets all the credit, but Rienzo was one of the people who really saw what could be way back then. When I heard he was involved, I knew the process would be solid regardless of rumors.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 27, 2004 1:00:24 GMT -5
Good to know the elitist, insider, old boy network is still in effect. Thanks for the vague comments that only trigger more questions from the loyal, blue collar rank-and-file fans like myself.
But at least we know tboy was at the meeting. Glad we cleared that up. Thanks for sharing pal.
Want to know how to tick off your broad fan base? Treat them like only a select few matter.
There's no need to maintain the Fort Knox secrecy anymore, except perhaps with respect to the names of candidates who were also interviewed and other potential offers made. A letter to the Hoya or some such assuring that a comprehensive national search was undertaken with the utmost integrity, with perhaps a few details about how Thompson's name was called would not only be appropriate, it would be wise considering all of the pondering that's gone on among fans since this happened, particulary those on this board.
Obviously, that last group includes DFW himself. Lucky for him, he had the honor of going to a meeting to find out all the details he could want. The rest of us weren't invited though (except for tboy). So we get vague generalizations and assurances from our fearless moderator, and that's all we're entitled to.
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Post by stafford72 on Apr 27, 2004 6:33:38 GMT -5
I agree with Big Dog's assessment. I can now rest better knowing that DFW and TBoy are sated with info on the process. Thank God we have been spared further sanctimonious rhetoric about the efficacy of the search.
My understanding was that this was to be a private selection process, handled by 2 persons chosen for their integrity and expertise. What then enshrined this "holier than thou" investigation mandate. We have a new coach. He was selected by the committee. Case closed. Why can't we let it go. The integrity of the decision and the privacy of those contacted should be honored. Let's put aside the "conspiracy" mantra and move on to something less clandestine.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 27, 2004 6:41:06 GMT -5
If you have a problem with my "rhetoric", you're always welcome to e-mail me.
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Post by RaleighHoya on Apr 27, 2004 7:15:39 GMT -5
Good to know the elitist, insider, old boy network is still in effect. Thanks for the vague comments that only trigger more questions from the loyal, blue collar rank-and-file fans like myself. But at least we know tboy was at the meeting. Glad we cleared that up. Thanks for sharing pal. Want to know how to tick off your broad fan base? Treat them like only a select few matter. There's no need to maintain the Fort Knox secrecy anymore, except perhaps with respect to the names of candidates who were also interviewed and other potential offers made. A letter to the Hoya or some such assuring that a comprehensive national search was undertaken with the utmost integrity, with perhaps a few details about how Thompson's name was called would not only be appropriate, it would be wise considering all of the pondering that's gone on among fans since this happened, particulary those on this board. Obviously, that last group includes DFW himself. Lucky for him, he had the honor of going to a meeting to find out all the details he could want. The rest of us weren't invited though (except for tboy). So we get vague generalizations and assurances from our fearless moderator, and that's all we're entitled to. Welcome to college athletics. GU is far from the only place that does stuff like this. They are always going to take care of a "select few" before they get any info out to the "rank and file" fans. What else do they have to reward people for donating with their money or time? Maybe you feel it is wrong, and that is your right, but let's not act like GU is the only program that does it.
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Post by DonkDonk on Apr 27, 2004 7:26:12 GMT -5
wow, the 'everybody does it, so...' argument.
Why can't Rienzo's comments about the search be made public? I think that's the gist of what the rank and file is asking for.
Also, this is a message board so questions and answers about "rhetoric" should be aired publicly so that one, a needless veil of secrecy over decisions affecting the program doesn't exist and DFW is spared having to answer a ton of emails.
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 27, 2004 7:31:47 GMT -5
Both the John Carroll Awards and the Penn Relays were going on in Philadelphia this past weekend, involving Georgetown alumni and athletic boosters. Anybody who plugged into the alumni section of the www.georgetown.edu main website could have learned of this and attended. And most of us who are alumni probably got one or more mailings about the weekend and encouraging our attendance. From the website: Latest News John Carroll and Patrick Healy Awards Announced "The awards committee of the Georgetown University Board of Governors recently announced the 2004 recipients of the John Carroll and Patrick Healy Awards, the highest honors given by the Georgetown University Alumni Association. "The John Carroll Award, given each year to five alumni, will be awarded this year to Robert L. Andrews (B’68, L’71), Mary Lupo (L’74), Thomas Dignan Rizzo (M’56, R’57, C’58), Mark J. Siskin (F’71), and James R. Zazzali (C’58, L’62). The Patrick Healy Award, presented each year to a non-alumnus, will be given to Victor R. Wright, father of Samantha (C’99) and Jennifer (C’96). “'We are pleased to honor six individuals whose achievements and service to Georgetown exemplify the ideals and traditions of the university and its founders,' says William G. Reynolds, associate vice president for alumni relations and the annual fund and executive director of the Georgetown University Alumni Association. 'We also thank the many members of the Georgetown community who nominated their peers for the awards.' "The awards will be presented on April 24, 2004, at the John Carroll Awards Weekend dinner in Philadelphia." Whenever / whenever there is a congregation of alumni there is an opportunity to be proactive in asking questions if someone familiar with the topic of interest is at hand at the same gathering. Earlier example of this -- NevadaHoya's info from the gathering in Las Vegas about DiGioia's anticipated timeline in announcing a new coach. Yes, it would be a nice PR touch for GU to issue some kind of statement explaining the overall process (leaving out particular names for the sake of confidentiality). But my "sense" is that pro-active alumni (of ANY school) get more info if they take the time to inquire.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 27, 2004 7:47:35 GMT -5
So let me get this straight -- people bugged DFW until he made a statement, which was vague, because he really didn't want to say anything yet, he just wanted to let people know that he was there. Then, people bugged him to say something else on the first day of the week, because last week he said he'd have more to say this week, so he did, but it was brief and basically just said after an explanation of the search, he was somewhat satisfied that the process was ok.
What more did he promise? He never said he was going to do a 5-part expose -- he said he had concerns regarding method and that he'd say more when he could talk to some people, and then he reported he talked to some people and got a decent explanation. He probably never would have brought up ANY of what was going on in his mind if it hadn't been for e-mails and postings asking him if he was going to comment on the hire.
I think the most "sanctimonious rheteric" is to cry in your milk about not being invited to a meeting when soembody who's worked long and hard to be able to do that has. Does this mean everybody's upset because they weren't invited to the last state dinner? After all, aren't all of us "blue-collar, rand and file" Americans entitled to dinner in the White House every once in a while?
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Post by michiganhoya on Apr 27, 2004 8:05:23 GMT -5
I think it is that just that some of us are a little sick of others who act as if they are connected and on the inside at Georgetown and then share little if any useful information. I don't think the concern is limited to DFW. But, in this particular case, his behavior is certainly symptomatic.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 27, 2004 8:11:33 GMT -5
I understand, but I think the difference in this case was that his first comment was prompted by e-mails and board postings -- he wasn't saying it to sound "plugged in" -- he was reluctant to say anything at all, but only did because of the questions he was getting. That's a far cry from the "I know something really cool, but I can't tell you what it is" kind of posts.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Apr 27, 2004 8:29:02 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting a full expose, but a little more info would be nice. I don't see how telling us a few more details about the process/procedure can hurt without violating any confidentiality concerns. Anyway, if you were satisfied then I guess we all should be satisfied.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 27, 2004 9:13:42 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting a full expose, but a little more info would be nice. I don't see how telling us a few more details about the process/procedure can hurt without violating any confidentiality concerns. Anyway, if you were satisfied then I guess we all should be satisfied. I'd love some more details as well, but unfortunately DFW is not the Georgetown Athletic Department nor is he the Sports Information Department. Playing the process close to the vest was the right thing to do both for the University and for the candidates involved, but at this point some general info about process would be nice to release to the fandom. I do not expect to ever hear a list of those interviewed by Rienzo and Higgins released to the general public, and frankly it is enough to hear that there were several interviewed. This is a dysfunction of the Athletic Department and Sports Information Department, not DFW.
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Post by angus on Apr 27, 2004 9:18:32 GMT -5
I'd love some more details as well, but unfortunately DFW is not the Georgetown Athletic Department nor is he the Sports Information Department. Playing the process close to the vest was the right thing to do both for the University and for the candidates involved, but at this point some general info about process would be nice to release to the fandom. I do not expect to ever hear a list of those interviewed by Rienzo and Higgins released to the general public, and frankly it is enough to hear that there were several interviewed. This is a dysfunction of the Athletic Department and Sports Information Department, not DFW. ________________________ I suppose that's fair, but to state the concern more diplomatically, if you are an "insider" and you have information that you feel you cannot share, just keep it to yourself. Meaningless and vague statements only add to the frustration of the rank and file supporters of the program who rarely, if ever, are told what is going on by the University. On the other hand, if Nevada is right and anyone could have attended this meeting, why the continued secrecy?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 27, 2004 9:26:12 GMT -5
________________________ I suppose that's fair, but to state the concern more diplomatically, if you are an "insider" and you have information that you feel you cannot share, just keep it to yourself. Meaningless and vague statements only add to the frustration of the rank and file supporters of the program who rarely, if ever, are told what is going on by the University. On the other hand, if Nevada is right and anyone could have attended this meeting, why the continued secrecy? I do not disagree with you at all. Keeping things quiet allowed them to get most expeditiously to the right candidate. I think they should be more transparent at this point, either through some sort of SID press release or, perhaps more appropriately, through an email to Hoyas Unlimited / Hoop Club members.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 27, 2004 9:31:10 GMT -5
I think the most "sanctimonious rheteric" is to cry in your milk about not being invited to a meeting when soembody who's worked long and hard to be able to do that has. Does this mean everybody's upset because they weren't invited to the last state dinner? After all, aren't all of us "blue-collar, rand and file" Americans entitled to dinner in the White House every once in a while? If it was a meeting open to anyone who attended these events, and if we're comparing this to what NevadaHoya did a few weeks ago, then why can't we get a few basic details about what went into the process? NevadaHoya didn't write "long story short we'll have a coach soon", he was fairly open about what was discussed. tboy's comment WAS intended to be an "i'm an insider too" statement, and that's the one that really set me off. Do we know tboy has worked "long and hard"? I shouldn't have to attend alumni functions in far off cities just to be able to get a couple of specific sentences of information about our coaching search after the process has completed. Hoya Paranoia is a tired, regressive construct, and that this board fosters it only makes it more frustrating.
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