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Post by zxhoya on Nov 23, 2024 14:02:51 GMT -5
Cooley pretty much went with a 6-man rotation in the 2nd half (Burks in for Fielder)
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 23, 2024 14:05:06 GMT -5
Cooley pretty much went with a 6-man rotation in the 2nd half (Burks in for Fielder) That's a bad sign for the rest of the season. If you need four starters in the last minute versus St Francis, that's really concerning. Announced attendance: 3,192. 10th smallest crowd ever is better than 3rd worst, but that's where this program is. |
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 23, 2024 14:06:20 GMT -5
It’s insane that Cooley didn’t even try to get a proven 3 point shooter. Left too many things up to chance going into this season Georgetown has tried this three straight years: Kaiden Rice, Bryson Mozone, Ismael Massoud. Zero for three. Stephen Domingo, Reggie Cameron, Denver Anglin….thinking we sold our souls the devil on some trade in the past. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 23, 2024 14:06:26 GMT -5
There’s nothing that playing a little defense wouldn’t fix about this game. 🤔 |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 23, 2024 14:09:09 GMT -5
Cooley pretty much went with a 6-man rotation in the 2nd half (Burks in for Fielder) That's a bad sign for the rest of the season. If you need four starters in the last minute versus St Francis, that's really concerning. Announced attendance: 3,192. 10th smallest crowd ever is better than 3rd worst, but that's where this program is. I don’t see many of us out of towners helping out much, other than SSHoya (apologies to others I don’t know about). |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 23, 2024 14:11:30 GMT -5
Not a pretty game, but gutted out a win with the young guys growing. That is progress.
Peavy is showing a lot of capability, which is why he is a Hoya. He is also doing a ton of teaching the young players with every pause in play. What he is doing on the floor may be the smaller addition to what he is adding beyond when the clock is ticking.
Epps is a high volume shooter and high volume shot misser, but was a bit better on that mark today. In the second half he finally started showing he wanted to put effort into defense and maybe contribute and stop being a huge liability.
Sorber didn't have the numbers as didn't get a lot of touches in the first half as the ball wasn't moving well in the first half. But, his being on the court and making a few shots in the middle (he's been one of the top players getting points) helps others as well. His defense on and chasing guards was really really impressive. Sorber's ability to defend in the middle and quickly reset to keep another shot from going in is deeply impressive (Alonzo was one Hoya from the past that was really good doing the same thing).
Seeing Fielder get a 3 to drop was good as well as getting buckets in other ways. Needs to camp out after practice and shoot free throws. His defense against smaller players was really good, but not quite the level of Sorber. Hoyas with two bigs who can cover in and out against big and small players is going to be really nice.
Nice seeing Mack run point well and mostly be solid with on ball decisions and not pressure things. He is a really good point guard who can put in a lot of hockey assists where his pass gets a mismatch elsewhere and the follow-on pass gets the assist. He also is known for drawing a lot of charges and good to see that starting as a Hoya. The rebounds and solid ball IQ off the rebound and setting up the team will really help and was showing again today. He, like Peavy is really good communicating and helping get a young new team get more insync. I'd really want to see the ball in his hands much more than Epps. Peavy is good on ball as well, Mulready and Caleb also have a lot of experience on ball and playing well in that role as well.
It was good to see Burks get a couple buckets at the end of play to start (hopefully) building some confidence. He has been looking insanely timid on offense and (a little less) on defense. He has skills and does well, but seems to need to believe that.
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Post by Retro_hoya on Nov 23, 2024 14:14:03 GMT -5
Can't believe I wasted two hours watching that, really should just record and watch back later - especially for these should-be cupcakes. First five minutes were good, last 8 were good. Everything in the middle was... not. Doesn't look good at all when Sorber is out. Glad to see Drew a bit more engaged and finally get a three to land, we will need his shooting.
In other news, Peavy is an all-around stud. I think we all expected the defense, talk of playmaking over the summer, but his scoring (and 3P% the last two games) is a pleasant surprise.
Epps - I have had plenty of doubts about him, but he is playing more within the team this season. Fixing the one or two early in the clock 3s would be great, but his 3P% isn't awful this season (recognizing the quality of opponent).
Mack was much better this game, in my opinion. He does tend to get tunnel vision from time to time and locks in on trying to get himself a basket. His passing ability is so great, if he could really just recognize when he is doubled, tripled, or simply outsized, that would fix his major flaw IMO.
Julius is not quite as ready as many of us expected, but obviously his development will be important. I'm still staying hopeful for development and the team coming together somewhat. There are signs of better communication and chemistry the more the guys play (better passing, assists, etc.). Agree with what others have said about need to fully lock in on defense, better rebounding, but the signs are there. Will be a fight to be middling in the Big East and I think that is a ceiling, unless Peavy continues to play like he has and Epps, Fielder become major 3P threats.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 23, 2024 14:15:37 GMT -5
I appreciate the positivity but gutting out a win against a horrible team does not scream progress to me
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Post by saxagael on Nov 23, 2024 14:15:45 GMT -5
I take it you've not watched Malik in high school or travel ball or with Harvard. He has not impressed me, but I think he has talent. It takes time to adjust to a new team. A new team with 13 new players is crazy. He is a really good on floor leader. He can score and run breaks really well, but does really well getting others involved. His size on defense is a bit of a problem, but defends really well with his feet. He has really good ball IQ on both sides. I've watched him a lot since he was a freshman in high school. As a freshman he was outplaying juniors and seniors who went on to do really well in D1. He is usually eager to learn and eager to help teammates do well. |
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 23, 2024 14:16:13 GMT -5
Georgetown has tried this three straight years: Kaiden Rice, Bryson Mozone, Ismael Massoud. Zero for three. Stephen Domingo, Reggie Cameron, Denver Anglin….thinking we sold our souls the devil on some trade in the past. Meanwhile, Denver Anglin is 11-22 from 3 in his last three games with Rice (after sitting out last year at SMU). He was the one I really wished had stayed in the Ewing-to-Cooley changeover— Played hard, great kid, with strong academic focus as well. But he and his family felt ready for a change after the one year he spent with GU basketball. |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 23, 2024 14:17:32 GMT -5
Cooley pretty much went with a 6-man rotation in the 2nd half (Burks in for Fielder) Caleb and Mulready in for stretches as well, 8 mins for Burks, 5 for Mulready, and 3 for Caleb (odd not smart foul ended his day). |
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Post by harlemhoya on Nov 23, 2024 14:21:13 GMT -5
He has not impressed me, but I think he has talent. It takes time to adjust to a new team. A new team with 13 new players is crazy. He is a really good on floor leader. He can score and run breaks really well, but does really well getting others involved. His size on defense is a bit of a problem, but defends really well with his feet. He has really good ball IQ on both sides. I've watched him a lot since he was a freshman in high school. As a freshman he was outplaying juniors and seniors who went on to do really well in D1. He is usually eager to learn and eager to help teammates do well. Looking fwd to watching his development. You can win with 2 ball dominant diminutive guards in college. |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 23, 2024 14:26:31 GMT -5
Can't believe I wasted two hours watching that, really should just record and watch back later - especially for these should-be cupcakes. First five minutes were good, last 8 were good. Everything in the middle was... not. Doesn't look good at all when Sorber is out. Glad to see Drew a bit more engaged and finally get a three to land, we will need his shooting. In other news, Peavy is an all-around stud. I think we all expected the defense, talk of playmaking over the summer, but his scoring (and 3P% the last two games) is a pleasant surprise. Epps - I have had plenty of doubts about him, but he is playing more within the team this season. Fixing the one or two early in the clock 3s would be great, but his 3P% isn't awful this season (recognizing the quality of opponent). Mack was much better this game, in my opinion. He does tend to get tunnel vision from time to time and locks in on trying to get himself a basket. His passing ability is so great, if he could really just recognize when he is doubled, tripled, or simply outsized, that would fix his major flaw IMO. Julius is not quite as ready as many of us expected, but obviously his development will be important. I'm still staying hopeful for development and the team coming together somewhat. There are signs of better communication and chemistry the more the guys play (better passing, assists, etc.). Agree with what others have said about need to fully lock in on defense, better rebounding, but the signs are there. Will be a fight to be middling in the Big East and I think that is a ceiling, unless Peavy continues to play like he has and Epps, Fielder become major 3P threats. With Julius I don't know many that expected much from him this year coming in. He surprised many with his agility and good ability to get up and down the court, as well as shoot and pass rather well. Julius downside is not having a big man inside game yet, which showed today. He will get there. This team is insanely young and 13 new players. Given that they are much better than many expected. Three freshman with solid ability to contribute or lead (in Sorber's case) is a great thing to see. Adding Mack to be on ball and move Epps off and improve offense management and improve things defensively helps. Peavy is the coach on the floor who is leading by example and doing a lot of walking young players through the mental part of the game. Peavy also can run point and add offensively in other ways in addition to his solid defense. |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 23, 2024 14:27:49 GMT -5
It takes time to adjust to a new team. A new team with 13 new players is crazy. He is a really good on floor leader. He can score and run breaks really well, but does really well getting others involved. His size on defense is a bit of a problem, but defends really well with his feet. He has really good ball IQ on both sides. I've watched him a lot since he was a freshman in high school. As a freshman he was outplaying juniors and seniors who went on to do really well in D1. He is usually eager to learn and eager to help teammates do well. Looking fwd to watching his development. You can win with 2 ball dominant diminutive guards in college. Agreed, but need both to play solid defense. Seeing Epps at least putting in effort today was a nice change, now he needs all the other foundations for guard defense. |
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Post by hoya1323 on Nov 23, 2024 14:29:57 GMT -5
Apologies for the coming rant, despite the fact we just won. Anyway, here goes...
Despite ultimately winning this game by 17, this season is looking very dicey. We are going to get slaughtered in BE play if things don't turn around dramatically, with our only coin-flip games likely against Seton Hall, which itself has been gutted by NIL/TP. Somehow even Depaul looks more competent than us, in Holtmann's first year, with a much lower ranked transfer portal class. I know they're lower in KenPom than us right now...but from the eye test, they look so much better coached/cohesive than us. With all their shooters, I can see us getting run out of the gym if we can't guard the 3p line.
I don't understand how Cooley had as much success as he had at Providence and the reputation his teams had for playing tough, smart, hard-nosed defense, given his performance as a coach here. They look like a middle school team on defense, just all swarming the ball and leaving guys open on the perimeter seemingly every single possession. Which was the exact same problem last year. Every single game there's been a shooter on the other team who's gone off on us. The ND guy in particular looked like the best shooter in Indiana since Reggie Miller. Ditto for (lack of) boxing out by our guards/wings.
It's hard to believe things have gotten this bad. I graduated in 2013. Top 25 all four years, made the tournament all four years. Since that awful loss to FGCU and the death of the old BE, it's been a steady downward decline for the program, with the bottom falling out with that whole laptop/harassment situation. I just don't see much hope of the long term trend line moving upward.
On a separate thread today, I joked about us being in the Patriot League in 2031. If we can't compete in the Big East year after year, despite the amount of money the school/alumni are spending, what is the point of all this? It's not a net plus for school pride/community-building to have a team that's struggling against bottom-300 teams, in an NBA arena with maybe 1k people there. If Cooley fails to turn around the program in the next couple years, it may finally be time to accept reality...Georgetown has somehow devolved into a Patriot League caliber program, at which point, time to cashier the program, drop down to the PL, stop playing at MCI/Verizon/CapOne and move all games to McDonough. We could still celebrate/reminisce on the golden days, but have a program that's more in-line with the new reality as well as the supposed goal of an academic institution (educating students...?) I know it would be a tough transition for the fanbase, but it may actually be nice to just go back to campus, pay a few dollars to get in, buy a hotdog and popcorn for a few more bucks (where you know your money is going to the school not Ted L), and get to watch kids who are there to be actual student-athletes, not some weird minor-league team nominally attached to the rest of the school (if you don't find what major D1 college sports have become sort of strange, try explaining it to a person not from the USA).
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Post by Retro_hoya on Nov 23, 2024 14:32:26 GMT -5
Can't believe I wasted two hours watching that, really should just record and watch back later - especially for these should-be cupcakes. First five minutes were good, last 8 were good. Everything in the middle was... not. Doesn't look good at all when Sorber is out. Glad to see Drew a bit more engaged and finally get a three to land, we will need his shooting. In other news, Peavy is an all-around stud. I think we all expected the defense, talk of playmaking over the summer, but his scoring (and 3P% the last two games) is a pleasant surprise. Epps - I have had plenty of doubts about him, but he is playing more within the team this season. Fixing the one or two early in the clock 3s would be great, but his 3P% isn't awful this season (recognizing the quality of opponent). Mack was much better this game, in my opinion. He does tend to get tunnel vision from time to time and locks in on trying to get himself a basket. His passing ability is so great, if he could really just recognize when he is doubled, tripled, or simply outsized, that would fix his major flaw IMO. Julius is not quite as ready as many of us expected, but obviously his development will be important. I'm still staying hopeful for development and the team coming together somewhat. There are signs of better communication and chemistry the more the guys play (better passing, assists, etc.). Agree with what others have said about need to fully lock in on defense, better rebounding, but the signs are there. Will be a fight to be middling in the Big East and I think that is a ceiling, unless Peavy continues to play like he has and Epps, Fielder become major 3P threats. With Julius I don't know many that expected much from him this year coming in. He surprised many with his agility and good ability to get up and down the court, as well as shoot and pass rather well. Julius downside is not having a big man inside game yet, which showed today. He will get there. This team is insanely young and 13 new players. Given that they are much better than many expected. Three freshman with solid ability to contribute or lead (in Sorber's case) is a great thing to see. Adding Mack to be on ball and move Epps off and improve offense management and improve things defensively helps. Peavy is the coach on the floor who is leading by example and doing a lot of walking young players through the mental part of the game. Peavy also can run point and add offensively in other ways in addition to his solid defense. Totally fair - I was thinking of some of the tweets from Caleb's father / random tweets that he could be a potential draft pick. It is possible that I am misremembering. I didn't mean to say that he was not skilled, just not quite as far along as I hoped. I thought that he would be competing with Sorber for minutes. But, excited to watch him and the rest of this young team continue to grow. |
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 23, 2024 14:46:18 GMT -5
Stephen Domingo, Reggie Cameron, Denver Anglin….thinking we sold our souls the devil on some trade in the past. Meanwhile, Denver Anglin is 11-22 from 3 in his last three games with Rice (after sitting out last year at SMU). He was the one I really wished had stayed in the Ewing-to-Cooley changeover— Played hard, great kid, with strong academic focus as well. But he and his family felt ready for a change after the one year he spent with GU basketball. Interesting. Last I looked not long ago he was sub .25 |
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 23, 2024 14:48:43 GMT -5
The one positive I will take from this game- 4 players with 3 steals. Peavy is setting a tone for others….and what a complete stud he is on both sides of the ball.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 23, 2024 15:23:27 GMT -5
Not a great game, but I do think there are more positives to take from it than people are laying out. The Bad: - The shooting can conceptually get a bit better, but overall, it's not going to get much better this year. Players like Burks and Mulready may hit a shot someday, but it's not like a have they beautiful stroke and are just missing. They aren't good shooters.
- The defensive rebounding is an issue that may make or break us. Last year, we had to basically adjust our defense to compensate, and then our defense went to complete crap. If we can't find people who can at least hold it down, we're going to have the same terrible choice.
- This team is just not very smart in terms of BBIQ. Both of our terrible non-scoring runs were driven by never getting the ball inside and by guys like Mulready taking heat checks. It's not a coincidence our best sequences were at the start of the game, at the start of the second half and then at the end of the game. I know some of the dumb shots are likely an instruction to shoot if you are open -- and I somewhat get that -- but holy cow do we need our ballhandlers to force the offense inside after 2-3 consecutive misses.
The Good: - The team is just not really smart in terms of basketball IQ. This is improveable, and if you take out the really stupid shots by the bench, the game looks a lot different. You can't completely eliminate dumb heatchecks or frustrated possessions, but you can minimize them relative to everything else you run. It's frustrating that Mack (or Peavy or Epps) seem to need to be definitively instructed to run certain things but ... you can do that.
- The defense the team played when focused was good. We may need to move to a more gambling defense overall. It's against a poor offensive team, for sure, but lockdown sequences were at least that. They missed a couple of shots, but overall, the end game was good defense. Sorber also stepped up and looked much more confident as a rim protector this game, which was great -- again, weak team but better than the alternative.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 23, 2024 15:25:27 GMT -5
Defense and defensive rebounding, unless these 2 issues are solved, it's going to be a long season. No one blocks out on the perimeter, they stand and watch hoping Sorber or the other Bigs grab the board. Rebounding is a team assignment. St. Effing Francis outrebounded us 41 to 36!!!!! Our guys don't box-out yet again this year. Maybe it's the players again! (sarcasm, just in case) Who's teaching these kids? For example, after the 3-pt shot that he's defending goes up, Epps likes to look to see if it goes in. Someone needs to show him video of what to do. |
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