hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Sept 25, 2024 10:00:35 GMT -5
In light of Jack's illness (hoping for his full recovery), would there be any interest in reaching out to Susan Hockfield (MIT) or Robert Barchi (neurologist/Rutgers/Penn) given their knowledge and experience in applied sciences and fundraising? Age? Baggage/controversy? Any other possibilities? Not that I have insight into the enigma that is Georgetown’s administration, but unless we dropped out of the top 25 or some other massive controversy, I fully expect JD’s successor to be an internal hire. Or even if it is external, it won’t be any paradigm shifting one (probably a buddy or friend of a friend), disappointing I know. Would love to be wrong…
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 25, 2024 10:38:06 GMT -5
It is too bad there is not a category for Awards and Fellowships. The way we have been dominating the Fulbright and President Management Fellow awards the last several years, and with our recent Marshall and Rhodes success, we have a performance that may be top 5 level if there was such a metric. Also, if there was a National Leadership Alumni category (President, VP, Congress, Supreme Court, Cabinet) rating as Tony Allimore has compiled, we would be at the very top as well. If this were expanded to International Leadership our representation among royalty and other sundry Heads of State is also at the very top. The US News methodology is not an outcomes-based study-- it could conceivably rate which school has the most CEO's, the most judges, the most flag officers, the most bishops. Its goal, or at least its original one, was a snapshot of universities based on their inflows (admissions, faculty resources, retention, etc.) for prospective college students and its parents. If your goal in life is to work in the government, Wall Street, or public office, Georgetown is a very good place to be. But that's not what their survey is, nor should be. The headwinds facing Georgetown (and to a related extent, the T-14 law school ranking) is that as other schools have made some very significant progress, US News is justifiably hesitant in dropping some very visible names down or out of the ranking. Harvard will begrudgingly accept a #3 behind a Princeton or MIT, but the day Harvard is seventh or eighth behind Duke or Columbia in the methodology, they'll claim it is no longer relevant and delegitimize the concept. UCLA, USC, and UCSD have roared up the rankings but can they justify six California schools in the top 25? The significant research growth and admissions competitiveness of two very large state schools (Florida, Texas) cannot be ignored much longer but there's no place to put them. The US News Top 25 is top heavy on private schools (all the top 15 and 22 of the top 25), and favors the coasts (17 of the 25). That's a legitimate criticism. One can get a great education at Purdue, Wisconsin, or Georgia and parents need to know this, but instead they see the Top 25 as the cutting point, much like the T-14.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 25, 2024 11:29:36 GMT -5
Next, to quote myself... *sigh* Ok, first and most obvious comment that requires a standalone response of its own: these types are ratings are US News sole remaining business model, and they intentionally make the ratings change slightly but not too much every year, just to continue generating this sort of debate and therefore continued cultural relevance. It's fine and can be entertaining to play that game - Lord knows I've done enough of it, and am apparently about to again in this thread, but... let's understand that ultimately, we're the ones being played.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 25, 2024 11:53:43 GMT -5
In light of Jack's illness (hoping for his full recovery), would there be any interest in reaching out to Susan Hockfield (MIT) or Robert Barchi (neurologist/Rutgers/Penn) given their knowledge and experience in applied sciences and fundraising? Age? Baggage/controversy? Any other possibilities? Jack's successor has been waiting in the wings for the better part of a decade plus: www.aspeninstitute.org/people/dan-porterfield/
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blueeagle
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Post by blueeagle on Sept 25, 2024 12:00:51 GMT -5
I know that I am contributing to a thread dedicated to the USNEWS rankings, but the focus of my inquiry is mostly directed at the long-term outlook of the university as it pertains to priorities and future plans. We are well-positioned now and into the future in certain fields (law, foreign service, business, and public policy).
I brought up Tim Healy earlier as he was instrumental in expanding the physical plant and the financial resources of the university at a scale not seen in almost a century (not to mention the athletic programs). It changed the profile and reach of the university from national to global.
Is there any appetite or any reason to improve the university's expertise in existing programs (hard sciences, medicine, computer science, etc.) or to expand into newer fields of study (engineering) in light of its current mission and its position in the marketplace of higher learning?
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blueeagle
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Post by blueeagle on Sept 25, 2024 13:22:46 GMT -5
In light of Jack's illness (hoping for his full recovery), would there be any interest in reaching out to Susan Hockfield (MIT) or Robert Barchi (neurologist/Rutgers/Penn) given their knowledge and experience in applied sciences and fundraising? Age? Baggage/controversy? Any other possibilities? Jack's successor has been waiting in the wings for the better part of a decade plus: www.aspeninstitute.org/people/dan-porterfield/Lots of big thinkers at The Aspen Institute.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2024 13:24:34 GMT -5
As someone whose Hoya loving (and supported) son chose Newhouse, it seems almost criminal to me that Georgetown does more have a robust journalism program.
Given our geography, it seems like low hanging fruit we are missing.
I am not suggesting a Newhouse like commitment but something more than a minor would be a good start.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 25, 2024 14:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 25, 2024 14:54:11 GMT -5
As someone whose Hoya loving (and supported) son chose Newhouse, it seems almost criminal to me that Georgetown does more have a robust journalism program. Given our geography, it seems like low hanging fruit we are missing. I am not suggesting a Newhouse like commitment but something more than a minor would be a good start. Excellent point. GW reputedly has a top 10 journalism school according to some rankings. SFS degree holding alumni are the opinion and deputy opinion editors (Kingsbury and Henninger) respectively of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal. I would say Georgetown already has a footprint. These are the bastions of conservative and liberal policy opinion in the nation.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 25, 2024 15:02:09 GMT -5
Excellent point. GW reputedly has a top 10 journalism school according to some rankings. SFS degree holding alumni are the opinion and deputy opinion editors (Kingsbury and Henninger) respectively of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal. I would say Georgetown already has a footprint. These are the bastions of conservative and liberal policy opinion in the nation. I think Elvado is talking about a journlism program in the university. Sure, Nora O'Donnell, Jamie Gorelick and others have succeeded in broadcast journalism, others in print. But Georgetown's lack of vision was exemplified by the sale of the WGTB radio license for $1 back in the 1970s, IIRC.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2024 18:18:07 GMT -5
SFS degree holding alumni are the opinion and deputy opinion editors (Kingsbury and Henninger) respectively of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal. I would say Georgetown already has a footprint. These are the bastions of conservative and liberal policy opinion in the nation. I think Elvado is talking about a journlism program in the university. Sure, Nora O'Donnell, Jamie Gorelick and others have succeeded in broadcast journalism, others in print. But Georgetown's lack of vision was exemplified by the sale of the WGTB radio license for $1 back in the 1970s, IIRC. Spot on SS.
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