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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 28, 2024 10:20:10 GMT -5
…including vaccine disinformation.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 28, 2024 18:53:35 GMT -5
…including vaccine disinformation. Excuse my ignorance (could ask Dr. Rooter, I guess) - H5N1 is measles? And it has a 58% mortality rate for unvaccinated children? When was the measles vaccine developed? I recall having measles and German measles when I was a kid, but that was more than a few decades ago.
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Post by bicentennial on Apr 28, 2024 19:32:22 GMT -5
H5N1 is Bird Flu. Over the last 25 years or so there have been periods in other countries where it has crossed from birds to humans and the 58% mortality rate is from confirmed cases investigated by the WHO in foreign countries and it is unknown whether that number has any relevance as the only people tested for bird flu in those countries were people sick enough to be hospitalized. H5N1 Bird Flu in our country has been crossing from birds to cows and is causing some cattle to get sick. News this week that in the ballpark of 20 percent of milk samples tested both by government labs and private labs show particles of this virus in milk samples. It appears routine pasteurization of milk is inactivating the virus so it is not infectious to people drinking milk (unless they were to get it from a farm before it is pasteurized.) There have been two cases of humans in this country getting it from cattle they worked with one this year and one in 2022. Both had mild illness and recovered quickly. There have been no cases reported from drinking unpasteurized milk. Separate issue is surging measles in many countries. Outbreaks are starting in the unvaccinated and sometimes passing to people who's vaccination protection has dropped off. Some states in the United States only required one dose of MMR to be considered fully vaccinated so some people who only received one dose of measles vaccine as a child may not be immune and may be at risk. As another example in Illinois there have been 64 cases already this year which is more cases than were seen in a whole year in more than 30 years in my state.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 29, 2024 5:55:45 GMT -5
Why we shouldn’t panic if bird flu becomes the next pandemic It’s true that the recent spread of bird flu among dairy cows is an “enormous concern,” as Jeremy Farrar, the World Health Organization’s chief scientist, described it last week. While only two people in the United States have contracted this H5N1 strain of the avian flu (one last year and one this month), wider spread could be catastrophic, given that, in past outbreaks, the disease has killed one of every two people who are infected. But before anyone panics, let’s take a step back and look at the facts. Health officials have a plan in the event avian flu becomes the next pandemic. In fact, as Dawn O’Connell, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services, told me, the federal government is much better prepared to respond to pandemic influenza than it was for covid-19. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/23/bird-flu-h5n1-plan-pandemic/
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Post by hoyajinx on Apr 29, 2024 6:13:34 GMT -5
Why we shouldn’t panic if bird flu becomes the next pandemic It’s true that the recent spread of bird flu among dairy cows is an “enormous concern,” as Jeremy Farrar, the World Health Organization’s chief scientist, described it last week. While only two people in the United States have contracted this H5N1 strain of the avian flu (one last year and one this month), wider spread could be catastrophic, given that, in past outbreaks, the disease has killed one of every two people who are infected. But before anyone panics, let’s take a step back and look at the facts. Health officials have a plan in the event avian flu becomes the next pandemic. In fact, as Dawn O’Connell, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services, told me, the federal government is much better prepared to respond to pandemic influenza than it was for covid-19. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/23/bird-flu-h5n1-plan-pandemic/I’m not sure how much government preparedness will matter when there is an entire cohort of MAGA morons who will do everything to undermine it because of “freedom”.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 29, 2024 6:32:35 GMT -5
Why we shouldn’t panic if bird flu becomes the next pandemic It’s true that the recent spread of bird flu among dairy cows is an “enormous concern,” as Jeremy Farrar, the World Health Organization’s chief scientist, described it last week. While only two people in the United States have contracted this H5N1 strain of the avian flu (one last year and one this month), wider spread could be catastrophic, given that, in past outbreaks, the disease has killed one of every two people who are infected. But before anyone panics, let’s take a step back and look at the facts. Health officials have a plan in the event avian flu becomes the next pandemic. In fact, as Dawn O’Connell, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services, told me, the federal government is much better prepared to respond to pandemic influenza than it was for covid-19. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/23/bird-flu-h5n1-plan-pandemic/I’m not sure how much government preparedness will matter when there is an entire cohort of MAGA morons who will do everything to undermine it because of “freedom”. If only the cultists could limit the adverse health consequences to themselves and fellow cultists, but sadly it only transfers health care costs to all of us. They are morons.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2024 15:50:52 GMT -5
Why we shouldn’t panic if bird flu becomes the next pandemic It’s true that the recent spread of bird flu among dairy cows is an “enormous concern,” as Jeremy Farrar, the World Health Organization’s chief scientist, described it last week. While only two people in the United States have contracted this H5N1 strain of the avian flu (one last year and one this month), wider spread could be catastrophic, given that, in past outbreaks, the disease has killed one of every two people who are infected. But before anyone panics, let’s take a step back and look at the facts. Health officials have a plan in the event avian flu becomes the next pandemic. In fact, as Dawn O’Connell, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services, told me, the federal government is much better prepared to respond to pandemic influenza than it was for covid-19. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/23/bird-flu-h5n1-plan-pandemic/This is correct, but the scale up of enough H5N1 vaccine to properly confront a pandemic is not entirely there yet. We are still stuck in old timey flu vaccine production methods that I hope will soon fall by the wayside. At least in the US, public health infrastructure on the local level is still woefully underfunded and understaffed. We're making progress but we have a long way to go.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 29, 2024 19:03:05 GMT -5
H5N1 is Bird Flu. Over the last 25 years or so there have been periods in other countries where it has crossed from birds to humans and the 58% mortality rate is from confirmed cases investigated by the WHO in foreign countries and it is unknown whether that number has any relevance as the only people tested for bird flu in those countries were people sick enough to be hospitalized. H5N1 Bird Flu in our country has been crossing from birds to cows and is causing some cattle to get sick. News this week that in the ballpark of 20 percent of milk samples tested both by government labs and private labs show particles of this virus in milk samples. It appears routine pasteurization of milk is inactivating the virus so it is not infectious to people drinking milk (unless they were to get it from a farm before it is pasteurized.) There have been two cases of humans in this country getting it from cattle they worked with one this year and one in 2022. Both had mild illness and recovered quickly. There have been no cases reported from drinking unpasteurized milk. Separate issue is surging measles in many countries. Outbreaks are starting in the unvaccinated and sometimes passing to people who's vaccination protection has dropped off. Some states in the United States only required one dose of MMR to be considered fully vaccinated so some people who only received one dose of measles vaccine as a child may not be immune and may be at risk. As another example in Illinois there have been 64 cases already this year which is more cases than were seen in a whole year in more than 30 years in my state. Thanks for this info.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2024 19:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2024 19:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2024 20:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 30, 2024 20:53:43 GMT -5
Sounds like just a cold to me. Take bleach.
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Post by bicentennial on May 1, 2024 12:41:38 GMT -5
Sounds like just a cold to me. Take bleach. On a much more practical note, does anyone know if our government bothered to restock the supply of masks and other personal protective equipment (PPE) in case of another pandemic. As anyone in health care will remember there is a national stockpile of PPE which had not been replenished by congress since about 2005 which meant that when the pandemic started the PPE was unusable. As we no longer make any PPE in the US it could not be rapidly replaced in case of another international crisis. So does anyone know if the government has restocked a supply for the next pandemic.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 20, 2024 6:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 22, 2024 10:41:53 GMT -5
Useful and seems broadly correct, though it appears to lack a rigorous direct discussion of the challenges associated with compliance. It does get at it with the 'need more research on how to make masks more tailored, comfortable, etc.
This is important because there's lots of public health interventions that are highly effective with perfect compliance with a very high standard. But those are not real-world conditions...and in most cases, we would not want to live in a world where perfect compliance with a very high standard was a requirement. No one wants to spend their lives in a BSL-4!
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Post by DanMcQ on May 26, 2024 11:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on May 26, 2024 11:34:10 GMT -5
Although this is about COVID, this does not bode well for an appropriate response to the next pandemic(s).
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Post by hoyarooter on May 27, 2024 20:00:31 GMT -5
Although this is about COVID, this does not bode well for an appropriate response to the next pandemic(s). Pish posh. It was just a cold or the flu.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 3, 2024 3:57:00 GMT -5
Just another part of the radical nihilists MAGA GOP to destroy all institutions. It's Bannon's "destroy the administrative state" plan. He’d taken Wenstrup’s encouragement and won a spot as the covid panel’s top Democrat. He’d come prepared to focus on improving public health; one pet project involved equipment and ventilation that could keep schools open in the next pandemic. He’d been excited to work with Wenstrup, a friend and occasional dinner companion. Now it was July 2023, and Ruiz told his staff he was stuck, unable to move forward on pandemic preparations because he was busy defending science. And on this day, sitting in one of Congress’s most famed oversight rooms, Ruiz was again listening to Republicans accuse scientists of a coverup, suggesting that Fauci and longtime NIH Director Francis S. Collins had conspired with prominent virologists to write a paper dismissing the possibility of a lab leak. (The scientists repeatedly denied the accusation.) He heard Greene wrongly claim that “most of the intelligence community” had concluded that the coronavirus came from a lab. “When we have the next emerging virus that’s a pandemic and is killing thousands of people daily, do you think that they’re going to look back and say, ‘Oh, thank goodness, we caught that misconduct,’” Ruiz said. “Do you think identifying this misbehavior is somehow going to lead to better protective equipment, better protective protocols so that we can respond to the [next] pandemic and save lives? … I personally don’t think so.” www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/06/02/covid-committee-house-fauci/
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 6, 2024 6:59:38 GMT -5
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