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Post by SSHoya on Apr 22, 2024 15:47:23 GMT -5
What was the deal with the " health of the St. Johns coach...."? He did look whupped after the game. Tragic story, ALS. As Pat Behan’s ALS fight continues, St. John’s basketball turns a page One year. After being diagnosed with ALS at 34, Behan got one year to coach basketball. Those months were busy and long: countless trips to Boston for treatment, a full basketball season, public appearances to raise awareness and money through the Behan Strong fundraising campaign. The schedule was never open, and energy never came easy. But on the court, everything fell into place. St. John’s had three stars, a selfless supporting cast, a dedicated coaching staff and something — someone — to play for. The Cadets went 32-4, culminating in a dramatic 65-63 win over Paul VI in the WCAC championship game. That contest will be talked about in this region for a long time. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/01/05/pat-behan-st-johns/
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 22, 2024 16:03:31 GMT -5
Very good breakdown…
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2024 12:40:32 GMT -5
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/01/supreme-on-the-court/Love the quotes from Amaker in regards to his IQ and passing ability. “You can see what makes him special,” said Amaker, pointing to qualities beyond Mack’s ability to sink the ball. “He’s dynamic — he has passing and IQ. He’s very, very bright, sees the floor and game beyond his years. There’s nothing he can’t do.”Sucks for Amaker to lose this guy. But, hey, he is a former Dukie so....
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 24, 2024 9:25:10 GMT -5
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/01/supreme-on-the-court/Love the quotes from Amaker in regards to his IQ and passing ability. “You can see what makes him special,” said Amaker, pointing to qualities beyond Mack’s ability to sink the ball. “He’s dynamic — he has passing and IQ. He’s very, very bright, sees the floor and game beyond his years. There’s nothing he can’t do.”Sucks for Amaker to lose this guy. But, hey, he is a former Dukie so.... It does suck for Amaker- despite his Dookiness- because he found the kid and developed him well. I fear for the mid-majors with the arrival of NIL. The IVIES had a shot at two bids this year. They were a mid-major force. No NIL, that won't happen again I worry about John Beckers Vermont- no NIL- and surprised that they didn't ( yet ) lose a player to the portal- they have a couple that could go power six. I am glad that the players are getting paid, but there need to be some guardrails....or we are gonna have the Majors and the Minors as opposed to the Majors and the Mid Majors. With the Minors never getting past the first round of the tourney. What fun is that? It's probably going to be a benefit to Georgetown- to a degree - because like Duke and Berkeley, Vandy, Michigan we have the academic cachet and the $. So the great athlete scholar who wants the $ and a good education might gravitate towards us, if we ever get our s&%t together.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 24, 2024 10:36:49 GMT -5
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/01/supreme-on-the-court/Love the quotes from Amaker in regards to his IQ and passing ability. “You can see what makes him special,” said Amaker, pointing to qualities beyond Mack’s ability to sink the ball. “He’s dynamic — he has passing and IQ. He’s very, very bright, sees the floor and game beyond his years. There’s nothing he can’t do.”Sucks for Amaker to lose this guy. But, hey, he is a former Dukie so.... It does suck for Amaker- despite his Dookiness- because he found the kid and developed him well. I fear for the mid-majors with the arrival of NIL. The IVIES had a shot at two bids this year. They were a mid-major force. No NIL, that won't happen again I worry about John Beckers Vermont- no NIL- and surprised that they didn't ( yet ) lose a player to the portal- they have a couple that could go power six. I am glad that the players are getting paid, but there need to be some guardrails....or we are gonna have the Majors and the Minors as opposed to the Majors and the Mid Majors. With the Minors never getting past the first round of the tourney. What fun is that? It's probably going to be a benefit to Georgetown- to a degree - because like Duke and Berkeley, Vandy, Michigan we have the academic cachet and the $. So the great athlete scholar who wants the $ and a good education might gravitate towards us, if we get our together. Preaching to the choir, but when I make similar points on boards and social media I am shouted down by the Players’ Rights !! Club.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 11:41:39 GMT -5
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/01/supreme-on-the-court/Love the quotes from Amaker in regards to his IQ and passing ability. “You can see what makes him special,” said Amaker, pointing to qualities beyond Mack’s ability to sink the ball. “He’s dynamic — he has passing and IQ. He’s very, very bright, sees the floor and game beyond his years. There’s nothing he can’t do.”Sucks for Amaker to lose this guy. But, hey, he is a former Dukie so.... It does suck for Amaker- despite his Dookiness- because he found the kid and developed him well. I fear for the mid-majors with the arrival of NIL. The IVIES had a shot at two bids this year. They were a mid-major force. No NIL, that won't happen again I worry about John Beckers Vermont- no NIL- and surprised that they didn't ( yet ) lose a player to the portal- they have a couple that could go power six. I am glad that the players are getting paid, but there need to be some guardrails....or we are gonna have the Majors and the Minors as opposed to the Majors and the Mid Majors. With the Minors never getting past the first round of the tourney. What fun is that? It's probably going to be a benefit to Georgetown- to a degree - because like Duke and Berkeley, Vandy, Michigan we have the academic cachet and the $. So the great athlete scholar who wants the $ and a good education might gravitate towards us, if we get our together. The Ivies have no excuse. Harvard has probably the broadest, richest alumni base in the world, and already have an absurd endowment. Honestly, if they wanted, NIL could make Harvard a POWER.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 24, 2024 12:23:28 GMT -5
It does suck for Amaker- despite his Dookiness- because he found the kid and developed him well. I fear for the mid-majors with the arrival of NIL. The IVIES had a shot at two bids this year. They were a mid-major force. No NIL, that won't happen again I worry about John Beckers Vermont- no NIL- and surprised that they didn't ( yet ) lose a player to the portal- they have a couple that could go power six. I am glad that the players are getting paid, but there need to be some guardrails....or we are gonna have the Majors and the Minors as opposed to the Majors and the Mid Majors. With the Minors never getting past the first round of the tourney. What fun is that? It's probably going to be a benefit to Georgetown- to a degree - because like Duke and Berkeley, Vandy, Michigan we have the academic cachet and the $. So the great athlete scholar who wants the $ and a good education might gravitate towards us, if we get our together. The Ivies have no excuse. Harvard has probably the broadest, richest alumni base in the world, and already have an absurd endowment. Honestly, if they wanted, NIL could make Harvard a POWER. Was there not a collective agreement among the Ivies to not go that route? I guess I am asking if there was a Gentlemen’s Agreement that prevents Harvard from paying players like that.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 12:32:39 GMT -5
The Ivies have no excuse. Harvard has probably the broadest, richest alumni base in the world, and already have an absurd endowment. Honestly, if they wanted, NIL could make Harvard a POWER. Was there not a collective agreement among the Ivies to not go that route? I guess I am asking if there was a Gentlemen’s Agreement that prevents Harvard from paying players like that. Maybe -- I don't know. I just think that of all the schools, the Ivies could do that. As for the broader discussion, I see both sides. Players deserve to be paid, and they shouldn't be restricted for no benefit. But it's going to kill college basketball. What's fair isn't always what is best across a broader spectrum. Like I said earlier, I hope we see multi-year deals sooner rather than later.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 24, 2024 13:45:59 GMT -5
It does suck for Amaker- despite his Dookiness- because he found the kid and developed him well. I fear for the mid-majors with the arrival of NIL. The IVIES had a shot at two bids this year. They were a mid-major force. No NIL, that won't happen again I worry about John Beckers Vermont- no NIL- and surprised that they didn't ( yet ) lose a player to the portal- they have a couple that could go power six. I am glad that the players are getting paid, but there need to be some guardrails....or we are gonna have the Majors and the Minors as opposed to the Majors and the Mid Majors. With the Minors never getting past the first round of the tourney. What fun is that? It's probably going to be a benefit to Georgetown- to a degree - because like Duke and Berkeley, Vandy, Michigan we have the academic cachet and the $. So the great athlete scholar who wants the $ and a good education might gravitate towards us, if we get our together. The Ivies have no excuse. Harvard has probably the broadest, richest alumni base in the world, and already have an absurd endowment. Honestly, if they wanted, NIL could make Harvard a POWER. I actually think it would be pretty funny if the Ivies, officially, stuck to a "no scholarship" route while their alumni funneled cash to recruits and turned them into powerhouses. Of course they'd still have the academic index, but I think they could probably find enough academically sound players if they can entice them with money on top of the value of the degree.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 24, 2024 14:32:33 GMT -5
Was there not a collective agreement among the Ivies to not go that route? I guess I am asking if there was a Gentlemen’s Agreement that prevents Harvard from paying players like that. Maybe -- I don't know. I just think that of all the schools, the Ivies could do that. As for the broader discussion, I see both sides. Players deserve to be paid, and they shouldn't be restricted for no benefit. But it's going to kill college basketball. What's fair isn't always what is best across a broader spectrum. Like I said earlier, I hope we see multi-year deals sooner rather than later. Enforceable, multi-year deals are really the only way out of this. Or collective bargaining, which would impose rules regarding movement, etc. In some ways, the NIL free for all is harmful to players, as there are TONS of guys hitting the market every year, and they all want money. If things were staggered, and the supply of available players was smaller, I bet the NIL deals would get bigger, not smaller, because there would be few areas to spend. The issue with NIL is that it's new at the moment, and it's unclear when/if there will be a peak to the amount of NIL available. It's all new now, and a lot of donors are throwing money around. Things will change (a little) once donors see their money being thrown at players who underperform. You are going to have NIL donors who are dissatisfied causing coaching changes, etc. I am sure this is already happening. Being a college basketball (or football) coach right now has to be horrendous from the recruiting perspective. I don't feel bad for them (at least at high major schools) since they make a lot of money. I do feel bad for the mid major type coaches who often do not make a ton of money relative to the amount of work they put it. And they really stand no chance at player retention going forward.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 14:59:05 GMT -5
Maybe -- I don't know. I just think that of all the schools, the Ivies could do that. As for the broader discussion, I see both sides. Players deserve to be paid, and they shouldn't be restricted for no benefit. But it's going to kill college basketball. What's fair isn't always what is best across a broader spectrum. Like I said earlier, I hope we see multi-year deals sooner rather than later. Enforceable, multi-year deals are really the only way out of this. Or collective bargaining, which would impose rules regarding movement, etc. In some ways, the NIL free for all is harmful to players, as there are TONS of guys hitting the market every year, and they all want money. If things were staggered, and the supply of available players was smaller, I bet the NIL deals would get bigger, not smaller, because there would be few areas to spend. The issue with NIL is that it's new at the moment, and it's unclear when/if there will be a peak to the amount of NIL available. It's all new now, and a lot of donors are throwing money around. Things will change (a little) once donors see their money being thrown at players who underperform. You are going to have NIL donors who are dissatisfied causing coaching changes, etc. I am sure this is already happening. Being a college basketball (or football) coach right now has to be horrendous from the recruiting perspective. I don't feel bad for them (at least at high major schools) since they make a lot of money. I do feel bad for the mid major type coaches who often do not make a ton of money relative to the amount of work they put it. And they really stand no chance at player retention going forward. I don't expect to see collective bargaining because right now, labor is getting everything it wants. But I think multi-year deals, potentially with buyouts, seems like a decent idea. If a school offers enough that a player will go for security, then you can find the sweet spot. But it requires taking risk on both ends. I think, sadly, there's a pretty good chance that we need to get good now, because in like five years, Kentucky could be putting out like $20M a year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 24, 2024 21:57:08 GMT -5
Some of these passes are orgasmic inducing.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 25, 2024 9:29:41 GMT -5
Mack would make a guy like Omoryuri look so good.
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