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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2024 18:51:32 GMT -5
This sounds potentially plausible
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 27, 2024 3:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 27, 2024 3:33:30 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 27, 2024 4:22:59 GMT -5
Police radio traffic recorded at 1:27 a.m. captures responders rushing to evacuate and hold traffic on the bridge after an officer announced that a ship had lost control of its steering, according to records from Broadcastify, an open-source audio streaming service. “Hold all traffic on the Key Bridge,” someone says. “There’s a ship approaching that just lost their steering.” Others announce that they are en route to the bridge or already holding traffic. One asks whether there are workers on the bridge and whether anyone can contact the “foreman to see if we can get them off the bridge temporarily.” About a minute after the message reporting a loss of steering, someone shouts, “The whole bridge just fell down!” www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/03/26/video-audio-baltimore-bridge-collapse/As a cargo ship the size of a skyscraper drifted dangerously close to a major Baltimore bridge that carried more than 30,000 cars a day, the crew of the Dali issued an urgent “mayday,” hoping to avert disaster Tuesday. First responders sprang into action, shutting down most traffic on the four-lane Francis Scott Key Bridge just before the 95,000 gross-ton vessel plowed into a bridge piling at about 1:30 a.m., causing multiple sections of the span to bow and snap in a harrowing scene captured on video. “C13 dispatch, the whole bridge just fell down!” someone shouted on an emergency channel. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore (D) hailed those who carried out the quick work as “heroes” and said they saved lives, but the scale of the destruction was catastrophic and will probably have far-reaching impacts for the economy and travel on the East Coast for months to come. www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/03/26/baltimore-bridge-collapse-key-ship-crash/
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 27, 2024 5:50:19 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Discussing gun policy after a shooting is “politicizing a tragedy,” but it’s perfectly OK to blame a container ship losing power on unrelated policies of the president?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 27, 2024 19:59:58 GMT -5
Ugh if true
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 28, 2024 9:32:59 GMT -5
I, your resident HoyaTalk insurance lawyer, am not emotionally prepared for marine-insurance-hot-take Twitter. But if anyone has any questions about “who will pay for all of this” I can pull some articles from the industry press that my colleagues have shared within the company. (I’m in cyber, not marine, so no actual inside gossip.)
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2024 9:47:32 GMT -5
I, your resident HoyaTalk insurance lawyer, am not emotionally prepared for marine-insurance-hot-take Twitter. But if anyone has any questions about “who will pay for all of this” I can pull some articles from the industry press that my colleagues have shared within the company. (I’m in cyber, not marine, so no actual inside gossip.) I'd be interested in any insights you can provide. I defended the US in one maritime lawsuit some forty years ago but insurance issues didn't come into play. I think many of my friends in the Aviation & Admiralty Section (aka Crash & Splash) in Civil Division at DOJ dealt with maritime insurance issues. www.reuters.com/business/finance/lloyds-london-sees-multi-billion-dollar-insurance-loss-baltimore-bridge-collapse-2024-03-28/
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 28, 2024 9:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2024 10:20:38 GMT -5
Article says Costa Concordia was the biggest maritime loss at $1.2 billion. Crash & Splash was involved in the Exxon Valdez disaster which took DOJ years to resolve. DOJ's general Torts Section defended in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and federal response. Are those not considered maritime insurance claims as well? EDIT: I'm waiting for some creative lawyer to somehow allege federal responsibility for the Dali and submit a claim against the US!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 28, 2024 10:37:23 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney (the LSAT saw to that) but maritime law has got to be one of the most interesting (and frustrating) sectors out there. The competing claims across numerous jurisdictions, insurers, and reinsurers must be a handful. Article says Costa Concordia was the biggest maritime loss at $1.2 billion. Crash & Splash was involved in the Exxon Valdez disaster which took DOJ years to resolve. DOJ's general Torts Section defended in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and federal response. Are those not considered maritime insurance claims as well? EDIT: I'm waiting for some creative lawyer to somehow allege federal responsibility for the Dali and submit a claim against the US!
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 28, 2024 11:44:27 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney (the LSAT saw to that) but maritime law has got to be one of the most interesting (and frustrating) sectors out there. The competing claims across numerous jurisdictions, insurers, and reinsurers must be a handful. Article says Costa Concordia was the biggest maritime loss at $1.2 billion. Crash & Splash was involved in the Exxon Valdez disaster which took DOJ years to resolve. DOJ's general Torts Section defended in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and federal response. Are those not considered maritime insurance claims as well? EDIT: I'm waiting for some creative lawyer to somehow allege federal responsibility for the Dali and submit a claim against the US! Maritime law ranks just after bird law in it’s complexity. hm
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 28, 2024 12:02:16 GMT -5
This was such a horrible headline to wake up to. I hope they find the other missing people. This reminds me of the i95 highway overpass collapse in Philadelphia last summer except orders of magnitude worse. The non stop work to get i95 functional again took less than two weeks as it is a vital piece of roadway. They need to get at least a small corridor cleared in the river to maybe let some sea traffic safely flowing again, but I am not a salvage or engineering expert so who knows how long that will take never mind how long rebuilding the bridge that was well over a mile long would take. The currents and depth of the Patapsco are tricky and many ships rely on tugboats to get them to and fro. There are a lot of engineers working on this as we speak to open the port but the sheer tonnage of 1.6 miles of bridge debris is not easily moved. The longer term issue is rebuilding it. Where a short section of I-95 could be rebuilt quickly, this bridge was five times the distance of the more familiar Key Bridge in DC and nearly 200 feet above the Patapsco: the original 1972 project took five years to complete. The only comparable U.S. bridge disaster of this type took place in St. Petersburg, FL in 1980, when a freighter hit the Sunshine Skyway Bridge on a rainy morning, collapsing one of the two spans and killing 35 people, most traveling on a Greyhound bus which never saw it coming and subsequently plummeted 150 feet into the bay--all of whom died. To this day, it is the largest loss of life in US ground transportation history. It took seven years before the bridge was completely rebuilt. I would offer the 1993 Big Bayou Canot rail bridge collision, which killed 47 people, as also being comparable. Growing up in Mobile, it was definitely a part of the local lore: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bayou_Canot_rail_accident
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Post by Massholya on Mar 28, 2024 18:10:00 GMT -5
I am assuming that the fact that this incident occurred wholly within US territorial waters might make it somewhat less complicated. True?
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2024 19:23:31 GMT -5
I am assuming that the fact that this incident occurred wholly within US territorial waters might make it somewhat less complicated. True? I think this is generally correct. March 28 (Reuters) - The owner, operator and charterer of the container ship that struck Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge on Tuesday are likely to face lawsuits over its collapse and the people killed or injured, but legal experts say U.S. maritime law could limit the companies’ liability. U.S. laws pertaining to open-water navigation and shipping, which are created through court decisions and by acts of Congress, could restrict the kinds of lawsuits filed against the registered owner of the Singapore-flagged ship, Grace Ocean Pte Ltd, its manager Synergy Marine Group and its charterer Maersk (MAERSKb.CO), and could limit the damages they would have to pay, three legal experts told Reuters. www.reuters.com/world/us/lawsuits-over-baltimore-bridge-collapse-likely-though-limited-lawyers-say-2024-03-28/
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 28, 2024 20:04:36 GMT -5
Article says Costa Concordia was the biggest maritime loss at $1.2 billion. Crash & Splash was involved in the Exxon Valdez disaster which took DOJ years to resolve. DOJ's general Torts Section defended in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and federal response. Are those not considered maritime insurance claims as well? EDIT: I'm waiting for some creative lawyer to somehow allege federal responsibility for the Dali and submit a claim against the US! I don’t know marine insurance inside and out, but I can think of a few explanations. Those earlier incidents might not have triggered the marine policies for one reason or another. It’s possible that the policies contained some kind of exclusion or limitation for pollution. Absolute pollution exclusions have been standard in liability policies (even those that don’t insure anything that could even seem remotely likely to cause pollution) since the mid 1980s. It’s also possible that the shipowner simply didn’t have enough insurance, or putting aside what counts as “enough,” it might have had less. When insurance industry people talk about “the biggest loss ever” they mean the biggest paid loss, and wouldn’t count any portion of the loss over and above the available limits. And of course, it’s possible that the article is just wrong.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 30, 2024 20:27:19 GMT -5
Article says Costa Concordia was the biggest maritime loss at $1.2 billion. Crash & Splash was involved in the Exxon Valdez disaster which took DOJ years to resolve. DOJ's general Torts Section defended in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and federal response. Are those not considered maritime insurance claims as well? EDIT: I'm waiting for some creative lawyer to somehow allege federal responsibility for the Dali and submit a claim against the US! I don’t know marine insurance inside and out, but I can think of a few explanations. Those earlier incidents might not have triggered the marine policies for one reason or another. It’s possible that the policies contained some kind of exclusion or limitation for pollution. Absolute pollution exclusions have been standard in liability policies (even those that don’t insure anything that could even seem remotely likely to cause pollution) since the mid 1980s. It’s also possible that the shipowner simply didn’t have enough insurance, or putting aside what counts as “enough,” it might have had less. When insurance industry people talk about “the biggest loss ever” they mean the biggest paid loss, and wouldn’t count any portion of the loss over and above the available limits. And of course, it’s possible that the article is just wrong. www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/mv-dali-ship-owner-utilizes-titanic-law-to-limit-liability-in-baltimore-bridge-collapse/
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 4, 2024 6:42:15 GMT -5
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