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Post by sweetness on Jun 5, 2024 14:08:34 GMT -5
If they are dealing with agents and not the players themselves, it's easy to see a scenario where they are being played and duped. I would hope they are learning from this.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 5, 2024 14:18:16 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. The age old lesson - don't trust the staff!
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 14:27:24 GMT -5
I wasn’t criticizing the information you shared. Because I’ve spoken to a lfew people that usually are spot on with information they are willing to share and they’ve all been mostly wrong this off-season. More of a general comment on how strange this offseason has been and not a criticism of those sharing info. I’m wondering if staff has been blindsided also. It may just be that the transfer portal world is much more volatile than they are used to dealing with normal high school recruiting If only we were allowed to hire coaches that might have had experience recruiting the transfer portal and/or had connections to help them navigate the new waters effectively. Maybe we could have actually gone through an interview process and not targeted a singular candidate primarily based on his identity?
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 5, 2024 14:36:14 GMT -5
I wasn’t criticizing the information you shared. Because I’ve spoken to a lfew people that usually are spot on with information they are willing to share and they’ve all been mostly wrong this off-season. More of a general comment on how strange this offseason has been and not a criticism of those sharing info. I’m wondering if staff has been blindsided also. It may just be that the transfer portal world is much more volatile than they are used to dealing with normal high school recruiting If only we were allowed to hire coaches that might have had experience recruiting the transfer portal and/or had connections to help them navigate the new waters effectively. Maybe we could have actually gone through an interview process and not targeted a singular candidate primarily based on his identity? Perhaps someone like the guy that got Hopkins and Carter to Providence
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 14:52:33 GMT -5
If only we were allowed to hire coaches that might have had experience recruiting the transfer portal and/or had connections to help them navigate the new waters effectively. Maybe we could have actually gone through an interview process and not targeted a singular candidate primarily based on his identity? Perhaps someone like the guy that got Hopkins and Carter to Providence So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with?
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Post by conshyhoya on Jun 5, 2024 15:14:56 GMT -5
Perhaps someone like the guy that got Hopkins and Carter to Providence So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with? Because we have sucked for a decade or more and when he got Hopkins and Carter they had been in a way better place than us? Not like Hopkins was a stud either the year prior to joining Friars so what if he turns someone like Burks into Hopkins like he has already done? NIL wasn't a thing when they went to Friars right? Maybe he wouldn't have gotten them if NIL was a thing and that is a bigger issue.
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 5, 2024 15:28:41 GMT -5
Perhaps someone like the guy that got Hopkins and Carter to Providence So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with? He has the 24th ranked transfer class (with room to go higher) including one of the top PGs on the market. Whos to say he cant?
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Post by madmike on Jun 5, 2024 15:33:46 GMT -5
Perhaps someone like the guy that got Hopkins and Carter to Providence So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with? We have played in front of a 3/4 empty pro off campus stadium for ten years. High academic standards. The Georgetown brand is closer to DePaul than UConn now. Sad but true. That is my disappointment. We need to win. Kids have no interest in this school. Winning cures that. If the staff cant bring in players it won’t happen
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2024 16:14:47 GMT -5
Why bother with a project kid, when the program already has young "developmental" players in the frontcourt? Don't bring in kids who'll be on the chopping block in 10 months If Cook comes back, we probably don't need a project. If he doesn't, we need someone for depth in case of injuries. Talking about depth sounds good in theory but in reality, the project type kids aren't going to play. If you need proof look no further than RM last season.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 16:19:21 GMT -5
So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with? He has the 24th ranked transfer class (with room to go higher) including one of the top PGs on the market. Whos to say he cant? Is the 24th ranked transfer class really that impressive when we were told we had a top 5 NIL budget and only brought back 2 players from last season?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 16:20:49 GMT -5
So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with? We have played in front of a 3/4 empty pro off campus stadium for ten years. High academic standards. The Georgetown brand is closer to DePaul than UConn now. Sad but true. That is my disappointment. We need to win. Kids have no interest in this school. Winning cures that. If the staff cant bring in players it won’t happen What evidence is there for this? Do people really believe we have higher academic standards than teams we're competing against for recruits? This isn't the 1990s (not that it was even true then - Allen Iverson, Victor Page, etc.).
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Post by nbhoya on Jun 5, 2024 16:21:31 GMT -5
He has the 24th ranked transfer class (with room to go higher) including one of the top PGs on the market. Whos to say he cant? Is the 24th ranked transfer class really that impressive when we were told we had a top 5 NIL budget and only brought back 2 players from last season? No, it’s not. Particularly when the number one need: a Center, is not part of the class.
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Post by nbhoya on Jun 5, 2024 16:22:24 GMT -5
We have played in front of a 3/4 empty pro off campus stadium for ten years. High academic standards. The Georgetown brand is closer to DePaul than UConn now. Sad but true. That is my disappointment. We need to win. Kids have no interest in this school. Winning cures that. If the staff cant bring in players it won’t happen What evidence is there for this? Do people really believe we have higher academic standards than teams we're competing against for recruits? This isn't the 1990s (not that it was even true then - Allen Iverson, Victor Page, etc.). Surely you don’t think Georgetown doesn’t have high academic standards. We let in 9% of applicants. Georgetown offered admission to 12 percent of its applicants in 2024. --Admin
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 16:31:01 GMT -5
So why can't he pull off that kind of haul here when by all accounts he has more NIL $ to work with? Because we have sucked for a decade or more and when he got Hopkins and Carter they had been in a way better place than us? Not like Hopkins was a stud either the year prior to joining Friars so what if he turns someone like Burks into Hopkins like he has already done? NIL wasn't a thing when they went to Friars right? Maybe he wouldn't have gotten them if NIL was a thing and that is a bigger issue. Hopkins was RSCI #33 his senior year of high school, just missing 5-star status. sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/rankings/2021-final?authuser=0Burks was not ranked in the RSCI top 100. sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/rankings/2023-final?authuser=0They are not comparable recruits. It would be terrific if Cooley can turn Burks into Hopkins, but it's highly unlikely and there is zero data suggesting that it's likely to turn out that way.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 5, 2024 16:50:05 GMT -5
If only we were allowed to hire coaches that might have had experience recruiting the transfer portal and/or had connections to help them navigate the new waters effectively. Maybe we could have actually gone through an interview process and not targeted a singular candidate primarily based on his identity? When we hired Cooley, he basically hit the requirements you want. He managed to use the transfer portal to keep Providence competitive. As far as NIL, when we hired Cooley basically no coaches you could have interviewed would have had experience in NIL because it was in its infancy. Georgetown just locked down a $2 million donation to the men's basketball program. And while we might not be top 5 NIL, we did have a fair amount of NIL, something that Ewing didn't even bother trying to pursue. You're saying Cooley was hired because of his identity also ignores the fact that he was more qualified than most people on the market in these categories you cherish and value, other than Pitino. If you want to criticize Georgetown for not considering Pitino, I'm with you. Otherwise you're just doing your normal Cooley-hatred routine. I don't want to crowd the board with multiple posts responding to you so: Is the 24th ranked transfer class really that impressive when we were told we had a top 5 NIL budget and only brought back 2 players from last season? It's pretty clear now we did not have a top 5 NIL budget. I realize there were some sources saying that (including the ones you criticize as being unreliable when it is convenient to your point), but almost all of them were before the season ended and before it was clear that teams like UNC would be offering single players $2 million or that Arkansas would be spending ridiculous amounts of money to stock Calipari's team. You allow your Cooley hatred to cloud what is really a good point--that the staff failed to get all of the players they acknowledged they needed. But your continuing peddling of a talking point that's not even true (even if we wished it was) isn't convincing anybody at this point. What evidence is there for this? Do people really believe we have higher academic standards than teams we're competing against for recruits? This isn't the 1990s (not that it was even true then - Allen Iverson, Victor Page, etc.). It is true at least in the sense that players at Georgetown need to actually go to class, unlike places like UNC that in the past have had entirely fake ones. Is there favoritism to athletes when it comes to athletics? I don't know, but as far as I know, they need to take the same classes everybody else does. Keep in mind that to stay eligible in the NCAA you need to get a 2.3 GPA. Georgetown might be a higher level academic school than some other options like St. John's or Seton Hall, but a 2.3 is not a super high bar to climb, especially if you take the right classes. We had others…it just wasn’t publicized. So Cooley struck out even more than was publicized? How many high quality bigs did he actually bring onto campus? This is actually a fair point. If Cooley actively recruited a number of bigs and got none of them, that is a bad sign. Given the sad state of our program under Ewing and last year, he might be shooting too high rather than locking in lower ranked players (who admittedly, HoyaTalk wouldn't want likely) who can still contribute.
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Post by conshyhoya on Jun 5, 2024 17:00:27 GMT -5
Because we have sucked for a decade or more and when he got Hopkins and Carter they had been in a way better place than us? Not like Hopkins was a stud either the year prior to joining Friars so what if he turns someone like Burks into Hopkins like he has already done? NIL wasn't a thing when they went to Friars right? Maybe he wouldn't have gotten them if NIL was a thing and that is a bigger issue. Hopkins was RSCI #33 his senior year of high school, just missing 5-star status. sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/rankings/2021-final?authuser=0Burks was not ranked in the RSCI top 100. sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/rankings/2023-final?authuser=0They are not comparable recruits. It would be terrific if Cooley can turn Burks into Hopkins, but it's highly unlikely and there is zero data suggesting that it's likely to turn out that way. Who cares about high school rankings. Clearly they both had potential coming out of high school in order to be recruited and given a scholarship by Kentucky. They both played a year of college. You conveniently skipped those stats. I'm not saying Burks will guaranteed be Hopkins but Hopkins wasn't a stud when he left Kentucky. They had similar stats and similar measurables. Maybe Hopkins would have still been the player he is now if he went elsewhere but that isn't what happened so there is no way to know. You don't think that Burks is a similar type of player that Cooley has had success developing prior even outside Hopkins?
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Jun 5, 2024 17:03:22 GMT -5
You guys need to stop responding.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 17:09:40 GMT -5
Who cares about high school rankings. Clearly they both had potential coming out of high school in order to be recruited and given a scholarship by Kentucky. They both played a year of college. You conveniently skipped those stats. I'm not saying Burks will guaranteed be Hopkins but Hopkins wasn't a stud when he left Kentucky. They had similar stats and similar measurables. Maybe Hopkins would have still been the player he is now if he went elsewhere but that isn't what happened so there is no way to know. You don't think that Burks is a similar type of player that Cooley has had success developing prior even outside Hopkins? "Burks was one of only five three-star recruits (per the 247Sports Composite) to ever play for Calipari at UK. According to college basketball statistician Evan Miyakawa, Burks ranked as the No. 507 overall player in the transfer portal, as of Thursday morning." www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article287852805.htmlBesides being on the roster for one year at Kentucky and then transferring, Hopkins and Burks have very little in common.
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Post by miket3131 on Jun 5, 2024 17:17:37 GMT -5
If they are dealing with agents and not the players themselves, it's easy to see a scenario where they are being played and duped. I would hope they are learning from this. this off-season has been an complete failure this roster could possibly be worse than last season if we don't find a big east quality big and a shooter this team doesn't have not one.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jun 5, 2024 17:31:12 GMT -5
Isn’t it great that Boya is back from vacation!
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