madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 4, 2024 20:35:07 GMT -5
Super way to get people with any type of insight on the board to leave... Yes maybe he ends up being wrong but I am sure mocking the poster isn't helpful... The poster was just quoting a blog post. which blog?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 4, 2024 22:12:54 GMT -5
Watch us add a big from Wackalackey Community College and a D3 when we were hoping for a blue chip No, not WCC. I hear it's Boom Shaka Lacka U, and he's a sure fire first round pick in some draft or other.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 5, 2024 8:47:30 GMT -5
Super way to get people with any type of insight on the board to leave... Yes maybe he ends up being wrong but I am sure mocking the poster isn't helpful... The poster was just quoting a blog post. Whose blog? The fact is that this off season there have been a ton of mis-fires when it comes to rumors. To be clear, I am not casting aspersions. I think what happens is that there are a lot of people (not our posters) who THINK they are in the know, who then go mouthing off to people like Hilltop, who have reasons to believe them, but then it doesn't come to fruition. The advantage of a leakier staff is that we sometimes get little bits of information along the way we rarely got under JT3 or Ewing. The downside is that it comes with a lot of rumors that never pan out. I truly hope the "two bigs" rumor comes true, but I would be surprised at this point if it's anybody high impact. And the odds 1 of the 2 end up being Supreme Cook grows by the day, I would assume. To me, the bigger concern is the staff knew it needed a big and didn't get one (yet). I think that's likely a combination of a small amount of talented bigs, very high demand, and the fact that we have been terrible. The only reason I am not upset is because I think Sorber will be game ready, give us real minutes, and perhaps surprise some people. But he's still a freshman, will likely have foul troubles, and needs to adjust to the college game. In an ideal world, Sorber is more ready than everyone thinks and Fielder has monster growth in the off-season. If both of those things happen, the lack of a big or big depth may be an afterthought come March. But, if we have another horrible season, it's going to be something people harp on all year long.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 5, 2024 9:12:54 GMT -5
The poster was just quoting a blog post. Whose blog? The fact is that this off season there have been a ton of mis-fires when it comes to rumors. To be clear, I am not casting aspersions. I think what happens is that there are a lot of people (not our posters) who THINK they are in the know, who then go mouthing off to people like Hilltop, who have reasons to believe them, but then it doesn't come to fruition. The advantage of a leakier staff is that we sometimes get little bits of information along the way we rarely got under JT3 or Ewing. The downside is that it comes with a lot of rumors that never pan out. I truly hope the "two bigs" rumor comes true, but I would be surprised at this point if it's anybody high impact. And the odds 1 of the 2 end up being Supreme Cook grows by the day, I would assume. The lack of big time football probably means that none of the sites - rivals, on3, 247, whatever else I'm missing - will never really lead to consistent, reliable coverage due to a lack of funding to find that quality professional. Depending on how long you've been following the team, there's never really been a true insider that shares information. The best this program has had this century is when Barker Davis covered the team for the Times and that was probably 20 or so years ago. Fast forward to today and for a variety of reasons there's next to no coverage of the program which means we're just left chasing rumors.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 5, 2024 10:12:40 GMT -5
The advantage of a leakier staff is that we sometimes get little bits of information along the way we rarely got under JT3 or Ewing. The downside is that it comes with a lot of rumors that never pan out. I truly hope the "two bigs" rumor comes true, but I would be surprised at this point if it's anybody high impact. And the odds 1 of the 2 end up being Supreme Cook grows by the day, I would assume. The lack of big time football probably means that none of the sites - rivals, on3, 247, whatever else I'm missing - will never really lead to consistent, reliable coverage due to a lack of funding to find that quality professional. Depending on how long you've been following the team, there's never really been a true insider that shares information. The best this program has had this century is when Barker Davis covered the team for the Times and that was probably 20 or so years ago. Fast forward to today and for a variety of reasons there's next to no coverage of the program which means we're just left chasing rumors. This is a multi-level issue, and it's larger than football. Sharing information is a coin of the realm in college athletics, but it takes two, and Georgetown athletics is the progeny of fifty years of la familia giving reporters and confidants the Bronx cheer and then some. Just as a reporter at the Washington Post builds up years of relationships with people around town that may pay dividends years from now as trusted sources and confidants, it goes nowhere if one or both sides is not interested in the give and take. Thus, after years of being uncooperative to reporters and sources, the press walked away. In the intervening years Georgetown, to borrow a phrase from the elder Thompson, went from the "who's who" to the "who cares". Second, the business has changed. Two local sports dailies have become one, and the one that remains lost $77 million last year. There is no money for sports reporting. The old lions of the Post have left the stage and the Post has evolved from a traditional local sports page to what the NY Times was when it cared to cover it: a patrician overview of national and world sports at the expense of local teams and programs. In its place, and not always for the better, are the bloggers and YouTube performers that can promise what the dailies and local TV stations cannot deliver: consistent and regular content at the university level. It works at a P5 level where a fan base has been educated to follow all sports, or at least try, so the Tennessee or Florida fan is going to follow Rivals or 247 whether its CWS time or week one of the college football playoff. Georgetown never tried to build a fan base beyond men's basketball and so you can't monetize them on the vagaries of Patriot League football or what's going on with NCAA track or even the hugely underreported story of baseball's transformation. Thus, there is limited or no interest on any Georgetown sports between March and November, if that. With that, you can't develop a base to get a base of coverage of Georgetown, either through supply (access and information) or demand. Those that position themselves as "insiders" are often exposed as not, because they are either transitory (students) or those unconnected to the level of sources and guests which could support a regular communications effort. You mentioned the salient word above: professional. College sports, even more so than the pros, lack professional (read=employed) journalists covering teams and issues. Twitter handles are not a validation. It takes two for this: Cooley et al. will have to develop public and private relationships with independent and trusted reporters and those relationships build a network of informed and thoughtful coverage, and let them do their job--not the self-aggrandizing efforts (aka " Center Court with Patrick Ewing") that build neither heat nor light.
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Post by Gammo on Jun 5, 2024 10:34:55 GMT -5
The lack of big time football probably means that none of the sites - rivals, on3, 247, whatever else I'm missing - will never really lead to consistent, reliable coverage due to a lack of funding to find that quality professional. Depending on how long you've been following the team, there's never really been a true insider that shares information. The best this program has had this century is when Barker Davis covered the team for the Times and that was probably 20 or so years ago. Fast forward to today and for a variety of reasons there's next to no coverage of the program which means we're just left chasing rumors. This is a multi-level issue, and it's larger than football. Sharing information is a coin of the realm in college athletics, but it takes two, and Georgetown athletics is the progeny of fifty years of la familia giving reporters and confidants the Bronx cheer and then some. Just as a reporter at the Washington Post builds up years of relationships with people around town that may pay dividends years from now as trusted sources and confidants, it goes nowhere if one or both sides is not interested in the give and take. Thus, after years of being uncooperative to reporters and sources, the press walked away. In the intervening years Georgetown, to borrow a phrase from the elder Thompson, went from the "who's who" to the "who cares". Second, the business has changed. Two local sports dailies have become one, and the one that remains lost $77 million last year. There is no money for sports reporting. The old lions of the Post have left the stage and the Post has evolved from a traditional local sports page to what the NY Times was when it cared to cover it: a patrician overview of national and world sports at the expense of local teams and programs. In its place, and not always for the better, are the bloggers and YouTube performers that can promise what the dailies and local TV stations cannot deliver: consistent and regular content at the university level. It works at a P5 level where a fan base has been educated to follow all sports, or at least try, so the Tennessee or Florida fan is going to follow Rivals or 247 whether its CWS time or week one of the college football playoff. Georgetown never tried to build a fan base beyond men's basketball and so you can't monetize them on the vagaries of Patriot League football or what's going on with NCAA track or even the hugely underreported story of baseball's transformation. Thus, there is limited or no interest on any Georgetown sports between March and November, if that. With that, you can't develop a base to get a base of coverage of Georgetown, either through supply (access and information) or demand. Those that position themselves as "insiders" are often exposed as not, because they are either transitory (students) or those unconnected to the level of sources and guests which could support a regular communications effort. You mentioned the salient word above: professional. College sports, even more so than the pros, lack professional (read=employed) journalists covering teams and issues. Twitter handles are not a validation. It takes two for this: Cooley et al. will have to develop public and private relationships with independent and trusted reporters and those relationships build a network of informed and thoughtful coverage, and let them do their job--not the self-aggrandizing efforts (aka " Center Court with Patrick Ewing") that build neither heat nor light. DFW, thank you for being "our" consistent Hoya reporter for so many years. In addition to all that you, DanMcQ, WBH, and so many contributors do to make this site so great, your articles, updates and game reviews are consistently amazing. I mention that here as I read this comment and thought this last paragraph was a great offering. Thanks again - the efforts are very well-appreciated!!
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2024 11:25:02 GMT -5
The lack of big time football probably means that none of the sites - rivals, on3, 247, whatever else I'm missing - will never really lead to consistent, reliable coverage due to a lack of funding to find that quality professional. Depending on how long you've been following the team, there's never really been a true insider that shares information. The best this program has had this century is when Barker Davis covered the team for the Times and that was probably 20 or so years ago. Fast forward to today and for a variety of reasons there's next to no coverage of the program which means we're just left chasing rumors. This is a multi-level issue, and it's larger than football. Sharing information is a coin of the realm in college athletics, but it takes two, and Georgetown athletics is the progeny of fifty years of la familia giving reporters and confidants the Bronx cheer and then some. Just as a reporter at the Washington Post builds up years of relationships with people around town that may pay dividends years from now as trusted sources and confidants, it goes nowhere if one or both sides is not interested in the give and take. Thus, after years of being uncooperative to reporters and sources, the press walked away. In the intervening years Georgetown, to borrow a phrase from the elder Thompson, went from the "who's who" to the "who cares". Second, the business has changed. Two local sports dailies have become one, and the one that remains lost $77 million last year. There is no money for sports reporting. The old lions of the Post have left the stage and the Post has evolved from a traditional local sports page to what the NY Times was when it cared to cover it: a patrician overview of national and world sports at the expense of local teams and programs. In its place, and not always for the better, are the bloggers and YouTube performers that can promise what the dailies and local TV stations cannot deliver: consistent and regular content at the university level. It works at a P5 level where a fan base has been educated to follow all sports, or at least try, so the Tennessee or Florida fan is going to follow Rivals or 247 whether its CWS time or week one of the college football playoff. Georgetown never tried to build a fan base beyond men's basketball and so you can't monetize them on the vagaries of Patriot League football or what's going on with NCAA track or even the hugely underreported story of baseball's transformation. Thus, there is limited or no interest on any Georgetown sports between March and November, if that. With that, you can't develop a base to get a base of coverage of Georgetown, either through supply (access and information) or demand. Those that position themselves as "insiders" are often exposed as not, because they are either transitory (students) or those unconnected to the level of sources and guests which could support a regular communications effort. You mentioned the salient word above: professional. College sports, even more so than the pros, lack professional (read=employed) journalists covering teams and issues. Twitter handles are not a validation. It takes two for this: Cooley et al. will have to develop public and private relationships with independent and trusted reporters and those relationships build a network of informed and thoughtful coverage, and let them do their job--not the self-aggrandizing efforts (aka " Center Court with Patrick Ewing") that build neither heat nor light. Whether Gtown has ever tried to build a fan base for basketball is questionable but I agree 1000% with your last point, it's easily within the program's reach to develop relationships with trusted reporters. As I posted yesterday this has been my biggest disappointment so far in Cooley, I'm very surprised he hasn't made strides to replicate what he left @ PC. Also this "blame the blogs" is misleading considering some of the biggest rumors came from a trusted poster on the board who as far as I know doesn't blog. We've all followed recruiting long enough to know it's not a done deal until the kid speaks, and even hold your breath until the season starts.
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Post by thedragon on Jun 5, 2024 11:41:58 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded.
I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back.
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Post by TC on Jun 5, 2024 12:04:53 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. No worries. Who did the staff think they were in on?
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Post by conshyhoya on Jun 5, 2024 12:16:59 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. No worries. Who did the staff think they were in on? Or is it more of a misunderstanding like Brazile and Ugonna are going to make their decision (let us know) in the next 48 hours and it was misconstrued as we will have 2 bigs in the next 48 hours.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 5, 2024 12:29:17 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. If the staff is consistently misreading the room on odds of commitments, I see that as a problem. I realize players can be fickle (and money being thrown around doesn't help), but at some point, if you're misreading the room too much it makes it more clear why we aren't getting the recruits we want. They may be targeting the wrong people. Or taking an approach that worked pre-NIL that isn't working with NIL. While I am not as down on Cooley and staff as others, I do think that there rightfully were expectations that with a year under his belt that Cooley would have done better in the portal. The incoming freshman are great, and I am very satisfied with that (which has been in place already for some time), Mack, and Peavy. And Cooley has gotten a few other guys that have potential. But we still are short on a center who can have an immediate impact on defense (no that's not Cook) and we also could stand to have another guard who can shoot threes at a high rate. I am not happy with the way the portal season has gone. Even with the current roster in place, it's easy to see us being better next year. But, simutaneously, without unexpected impacts from the freshman or improvements from our existing players, it's hard to see us being substantially better. Possible, but it requires a lot of the "if's" to come through on player development that have not been happening at Georgetown over the last decade.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2024 12:31:39 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. Why bother with a project kid, when the program already has young "developmental" players in the frontcourt? Don't bring in kids who'll be on the chopping block in 10 months
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Post by beenaround on Jun 5, 2024 12:35:48 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. Your insights are always welcome. Anyone who bet and lost their life savings on the supposed transfers…deserved to!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 5, 2024 12:37:39 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. Why bother with a project kid, when the program already has young "developmental" players in the frontcourt? Don't bring in kids who'll be on the chopping block in 10 months If Cook comes back, we probably don't need a project. If he doesn't, we need someone for depth in case of injuries.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 5, 2024 12:47:32 GMT -5
At some point towards the end of last season, Cooley was quoted in the Washington Post after one of the losses as saying something along the lines that the only way to fix the defense was recruiting. If they have to run it back with Cook, that's really disappointing even in if his role is diminished.
If this was 5 or 10 years ago, it would be easier to feel good about a longer rebuild with the incoming frosh. In today's game you just can't count on all the guys coming back.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 13:05:13 GMT -5
At some point towards the end of last season, Cooley was quoted in the Washington Post after one of the losses as saying something along the lines that the only way to fix the defense was recruiting. If they have to run it back with Cook, that's really disappointing even in if his role is diminished. If this was 5 or 10 years ago, it would be easier to feel good about a longer rebuild with the incoming frosh. In today's game you just can't count on all the guys coming back. If you're Supreme Cook, why would you come back to Georgetown at this point? You've been tossed aside by the coaching staff who thought they'd get people better than you and the fan base has ripped you despite your contributions last season. I'd think the only reason to return to Georgetown is if we offer oodles more NIL $ than everybody else.
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Post by conshyhoya on Jun 5, 2024 13:25:10 GMT -5
At some point towards the end of last season, Cooley was quoted in the Washington Post after one of the losses as saying something along the lines that the only way to fix the defense was recruiting. If they have to run it back with Cook, that's really disappointing even in if his role is diminished. If this was 5 or 10 years ago, it would be easier to feel good about a longer rebuild with the incoming frosh. In today's game you just can't count on all the guys coming back. If you're Supreme Cook, why would you come back to Georgetown at this point? You've been tossed aside by the coaching staff who thought they'd get people better than you and the fan base has ripped you despite your contributions last season. I'd think the only reason to return to Georgetown is if we offer oodles more NIL $ than everybody else. Because you don't really have any other options or he wants to stay in a Power 5 conference, they had an honest discussion both ways prior so they trust one another and you don't care what fans say? It is all speculations both ways. Who knows if this is even a possibility outside a report a while ago saying both sides were open to it which can easily be totally wrong like every other report. Who do you think would be giving him a bunch of NIL? Offensively he was limited but fine and good on the offensive glass and defensively a liability at higher levels of competition.
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 5, 2024 13:37:26 GMT -5
At some point towards the end of last season, Cooley was quoted in the Washington Post after one of the losses as saying something along the lines that the only way to fix the defense was recruiting. If they have to run it back with Cook, that's really disappointing even in if his role is diminished. If this was 5 or 10 years ago, it would be easier to feel good about a longer rebuild with the incoming frosh. In today's game you just can't count on all the guys coming back. If you're Supreme Cook, why would you come back to Georgetown at this point? You've been tossed aside by the coaching staff who thought they'd get people better than you and the fan base has ripped you despite your contributions last season. I'd think the only reason to return to Georgetown is if we offer oodles more NIL $ than everybody else. I hope that Supreme Cook is not taking anything seriously from this board or any social media. But, Georgetown is a program hes familiar with that provides a great education and a potential to earn some playing time. Its possible they offer the most money. Personally, I don't want Cook to come back because of his defensive limitations, but there are several reasons he might be interested in. But, Im sure he's concerned about playing time.
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Post by thedragon on Jun 5, 2024 13:48:58 GMT -5
Sorry HT - I will refrain from sharing these rumors in the future. Once again it appears the staff was more bullish on their chances then the reality afforded. I'd expect Cook and a project to be the fall back. No worries. Who did the staff think they were in on? No idea who the players were. My assumption was Brazile and Cook. I'm sure some would take umbrage in calling Cook a 2nd transfer per se but he is in the portal. I agree with those that said taking another project big is a waste. If you got a starting 4, then Cook made sense. But im guessing a big man practice body is needed more than anything.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 5, 2024 13:55:20 GMT -5
I wasn’t criticizing the information you shared. Because I’ve spoken to a lfew people that usually are spot on with information they are willing to share and they’ve all been mostly wrong this off-season. More of a general comment on how strange this offseason has been and not a criticism of those sharing info. I’m wondering if staff has been blindsided also. It may just be that the transfer portal world is much more volatile than they are used to dealing with normal high school recruiting
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