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Post by thedragon on Mar 10, 2024 12:06:32 GMT -5
I think this is a good question but it has zero to do with my response related to this year, tomorrow's game and "this roster". And as was asked elsewhere in this thread, no, I don't think our record of 9-22, 2-18 would be better if Epps was shooting less. The roster from a necessary talent perspective was a failure by the staff year 1, purposeful or not - whether one gives them a pass for that or not based on circumstances (which i do), that fact remains. As Cooley said in the presser yesterday, offense isn't the pressing issue. In the last six weeks we scored over 75 points 5 times (won once). 3 of those were 85+. Lost all 3. If we had 5 wins with those 3 (2 against Xavier 1 against St Johns) the narrative around here would be vastly different. As for next year, I'd certainly hope we'll have enough talent to not need to rely so heavily on Epps trying to play hero ball. A “purposeful” failure is not a concept that I understand. And if it was somehow purposeful, I wish they had informed us of that before I put down a few thousand bucks for season tickets. As a paying customer, certainly your frustration is warranted and your ability to give up those tickets (hopefully not) is your capitalistic right. In pro sports purposeful failure or a "rebuild" is pretty common. I'd say much less so in college as obviously being worse doesn't get you a better draft pick. When I say purposeful failure in this sense I'm simply referring to a willingness to save resources for future years realizing that stop gaps was all that was available to them last cycle.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 10, 2024 12:10:24 GMT -5
For example, how do you think Brumbaugh feels when he gets pulled from the game and yelled at by Cooley for making a bad pass, but Epps continuously plays selfishly and never gets reprimanded? Maybe Cooley had hopes he can correct Brumbaugh and already knows Epps is a lost cause. I like this theory and hope you are correct, it would make a lot of sense.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 10, 2024 12:45:52 GMT -5
A “purposeful” failure is not a concept that I understand. And if it was somehow purposeful, I wish they had informed us of that before I put down a few thousand bucks for season tickets. As a paying customer, certainly your frustration is warranted and your ability to give up those tickets (hopefully not) is your capitalistic right. In pro sports purposeful failure or a "rebuild" is pretty common. I'd say much less so in college as obviously being worse doesn't get you a better draft pick. When I say purposeful failure in this sense I'm simply referring to a willingness to save resources for future years realizing that stop gaps was all that was available to them last cycle. Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately?
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2024 12:48:12 GMT -5
As a paying customer, certainly your frustration is warranted and your ability to give up those tickets (hopefully not) is your capitalistic right. In pro sports purposeful failure or a "rebuild" is pretty common. I'd say much less so in college as obviously being worse doesn't get you a better draft pick. When I say purposeful failure in this sense I'm simply referring to a willingness to save resources for future years realizing that stop gaps was all that was available to them last cycle. Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately? It doesn’t. I will be curious to hear the explanation next off season.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 10, 2024 12:49:32 GMT -5
As a paying customer, certainly your frustration is warranted and your ability to give up those tickets (hopefully not) is your capitalistic right. In pro sports purposeful failure or a "rebuild" is pretty common. I'd say much less so in college as obviously being worse doesn't get you a better draft pick. When I say purposeful failure in this sense I'm simply referring to a willingness to save resources for future years realizing that stop gaps was all that was available to them last cycle. Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately? Again, they hired Mark Fox for just this situation. They've clearly made it known that they have money to spend in NIL. I cant answer about the motivation of prospective transfers. But they've had time and resources - I expect results.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 10, 2024 13:09:37 GMT -5
We’re down to 🙏
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Post by TC on Mar 10, 2024 13:36:35 GMT -5
Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately? Because "this season" isn't the barometer. What you have as a roster is how players judge you and our cupboard was absolutely empty last year. Let's say Creighton loses Kalkbrenner, Alexander, Scheierman and Ashworth after this year. Are prospective fifth years going to look at Creighton's record from 2023-2024, or are they going to look at what McDermott has around them for 2024-2025?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 10, 2024 13:40:17 GMT -5
We shall see how McD reloads vs Cooley.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 10, 2024 13:47:24 GMT -5
As a paying customer, certainly your frustration is warranted and your ability to give up those tickets (hopefully not) is your capitalistic right. In pro sports purposeful failure or a "rebuild" is pretty common. I'd say much less so in college as obviously being worse doesn't get you a better draft pick. When I say purposeful failure in this sense I'm simply referring to a willingness to save resources for future years realizing that stop gaps was all that was available to them last cycle. Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately? With 4 returning starters (who may be top-graded) + Fielder, next season looks significantly less risky than last season. The floor is better understood. New players are additive to this base.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 10, 2024 13:48:43 GMT -5
As a paying customer, certainly your frustration is warranted and your ability to give up those tickets (hopefully not) is your capitalistic right. In pro sports purposeful failure or a "rebuild" is pretty common. I'd say much less so in college as obviously being worse doesn't get you a better draft pick. When I say purposeful failure in this sense I'm simply referring to a willingness to save resources for future years realizing that stop gaps was all that was available to them last cycle. Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately? I agree this is a problem potentially, but I do think that Cooley is in a better position than last year. He can hit the portal from Georgetown immediately, he's not going to be recruiting for the portal right after having been hired like last year, he's presumably got access to a lot more NIL money if sources are to be believed, and we have the four freshman, including Sorber coming in. I think one key also would be getting a very early, key portal commit that would greatly enhance our prospects for next year. Guys want to know who they are going to be playing with, and if Cooley and company can land some good portal talent early, it might snowball into some additional good commitments. Clearly, we are not where anybody wanted us to be. But, I do think we are better positioned than last year (even if we aren't nearly as good as we wanted to be at this point).
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 10, 2024 15:02:02 GMT -5
Epps had over 20 FGA four times this season. American where he single handedly saved us from an L. @ Providence and the two St John's games. In those 4 games he averaged 25 PPG and shot 44% overall. All games we actually had a shot to win down the stretch unlike most others. So yea, much to your chagrin (and mine at times), thats probably our best chance to win with this roster. If only college basketball was a game of 1 v 1… This selfish Primo Epps offensive scheme, and how Cooley and Ewing designed and allowed it, is one of the reasons we only have 4 wins in 3 years of BE play. Will Cooley play it next year with hopefully more talent on board? This team doesn't have more wins because they can't get a stop at any pt during the game. Every team needs a Epps to make O easier. We need more size and depth at the 3-5 position and these players have to find D to be important. I'm really hoping Drew Mc can spell Styles next yr and at times play in big lineups with Styles.... Epps/Brum-Styles-McK-Fielder-Sorber...if Fielder and Brum get stronger this could be a havoc causing, very long D....
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 10, 2024 15:03:38 GMT -5
Maybe Cooley had hopes he can correct Brumbaugh and already knows Epps is a lost cause. I like this theory and hope you are correct, it would make a lot of sense. Or maybe Cooley has been coaching for a long time and actually knows his players. Some people you can ride and they respond and some need a different approach. hm
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 10, 2024 15:06:54 GMT -5
What resentment from teammates? Can you point me to that info? For example, how do you think Brumbaugh feels when he gets pulled from the game and yelled at by Cooley for making a bad pass, but Epps continuously plays selfishly and never gets reprimanded? This only causes resentment when there isn't a clear hierarchy on the team....the entire team looks to Epps to take the big shots. When that's the case teammates (as a whole) don't complain when errors occur.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 10, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -5
Cooley said that part of the reason he couldn’t get better transfers is that the transfers wanted to win immediately (for various reasons) and GU couldn’t provide that. So, how does this season attract the talent to win immediately? Again, they hired Mark Fox for just this situation. They've clearly made it known that they have money to spend in NIL. I cant answer about the motivation of prospective transfers. But they've had time and resources - I expect results. What do you know about Mark Fox that I don't... He was 3-30 at Cal a year ago, and rarely communicated with the media, the fans and expressed he was adamantly opposed to NIL as it was evolving. So next I see him as our NIL man. Hope there are tons of money to make up for his reserved (to be nice) nature. The only thing I could think is that he knew somebody at G'town and was a friendly hire. I do hear, thank goodness, the we have a significant pot of gold.
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Post by TC on Mar 11, 2024 6:29:42 GMT -5
Again, they hired Mark Fox for just this situation. They've clearly made it known that they have money to spend in NIL. I cant answer about the motivation of prospective transfers. But they've had time and resources - I expect results. What do you know about Mark Fox that I don't... He was 3-30 at Cal a year ago, and rarely communicated with the media, the fans and expressed he was adamantly opposed to NIL as it was evolving. So next I see him as our NIL man. Hope there are tons of money to make up for his reserved (to be nice) nature. The only thing I could think is that he knew somebody at G'town and was a friendly hire. I do hear, thank goodness, the we have a significant pot of gold. Beyond repetitive at this point. Anyone mentions Fox in any context, <insert rant>. I don't know why Fox is in this role either but he rebuilt a program at Georgia and kids graduated. It isn't weird that a Georgetown would want to hire someone with that experience. That's why he got hired by California. We've sucked at every part of that for six years - the rebuilding portion, the kids graduating portion - and that was a significant concern. How does that apply to an NIL role? I don't know, but I also don't think a 3-29 record matters that much when someone also has four conference championships. The criticism here is that you don't think Fox is outgoing so why is he in an NIL role, but admit that reportedly 11 months in they have a giant NIL budget - so maybe the fundraising portion isn't as much an obstacle as you think it is?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 11, 2024 9:07:01 GMT -5
After Providence at our place, it would be really nice to beat them. If we turn things around and they bottom out, I am going to be pretty happy to see it happen.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 11, 2024 9:40:25 GMT -5
we are 40 spots better offensively than providence on kenpom. of course, defensively we are THREE HUNDRED spots worse. But a really really cold shooting night from providence could be enough to steal this one if we play competently on offense and get some good bounces our way. It is unlikely but not impossible.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2024 19:45:22 GMT -5
Mark Fox being hired for the NIL job seemed weird to me until an article revealed he and Cooley are longtime good friends. That’s why he was hired. Presumably Cooley felt he could help in that role and Cooley surely knows him better than anybody on HoyaTalk.
It’s also a totally different skill set than coaching. So the fact that he coached poorly doesn’t really matter.
I’m not sure why this is relevant to Wednesday’s game but I will be there!
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Post by mapei on Mar 12, 2024 17:30:06 GMT -5
I can’t find the game- where is it on tv???
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Post by mapei on Mar 12, 2024 17:32:56 GMT -5
Never mind-I’m a day early! Jeez.
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