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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 2, 2024 23:40:52 GMT -5
I agree that Cooley deserves a pass this year. But that being said I do have two questions for him. Why didn’t you play Brumbaugh more in our OOC games? And How bad is Motumbo that he didn’t deserve more minutes that Massoud? It’s obvious that Rowan has a huge ceiling and playing him more will allow him to reach his full potential sooner either this year or next. And knowing how bad our defense in the paint is did you really think we could beat any BE team other than De Paul without Ryan playing at least 10 minutes per game? Armchair observations from someone with very little appreciation for xs and os: Ryan - seems like a nice kid but his HS ranking was probably inflated but if he went somewhere else the dozens of people on the Board would have exploded. Rowan - I agree he knows how to be a true PG. He is very savvy and his stroke from 3 is better than I expected but he is a half a step slow on D.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 2, 2024 23:42:08 GMT -5
Could not stop Claude. That, and free throws. Could not stop... Posh Alexander. David Joplin. Trey Alexander. Kadary Richmond. Alex Karaban. Pierre Brooks. Devin Carter. Dre Davis. Baylor Scheierman. Justin Moore. Yes, defense is absolutely awful. How many lay-ups given up this year?
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 2, 2024 23:48:22 GMT -5
Portal season is almost here. Portal mostly pick-up castoff, but can find occasional players going mid-major up. But, that usually isn't bigs that are good, which is one large need. Often there are a lot of decent shooting guards and wings as grad transfers. Often the transfer players have gaps in their games. Three really good freshman coming and one who seems could become good (one is here red shirting already). There are still two openings at the moment for next year. Judah Mintz.
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 3, 2024 0:03:15 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if the Xavier "points per possession" number in the second half broke some kind of NCAA record. They had to be well above 1.5 points per possession, which is unimaginably horrific. I won’t have this by half on Pomeroy until tomorrow. But there were 72 possessions, so if I estimate 36 per half. That is 1.69 PPP allowed. We gave up 35 points in the last ten minutes. If there were 18 possessions in that time period, that would be 1.94 PPP allowed. We literally did not get a stop in the last ten minutes so it will be something like that.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 3, 2024 0:30:04 GMT -5
A tale of two halves! At least we scored 90+. I think that’s the first time this year!? Nope. 91 v. X on the road. Saw that one in person. Also Lemoyne I think but their 1st D1 game. Okay, stand corrected. Thank you, sir!
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Post by bornhoya on Mar 3, 2024 2:45:16 GMT -5
I agree that Cooley deserves a pass this year. But that being said I do have two questions for him. Why didn’t you play Brumbaugh more in our OOC games? And How bad is Motumbo that he didn’t deserve more minutes that Massoud? It’s obvious that Rowan has a huge ceiling and playing him more will allow him to reach his full potential sooner either this year or next. And knowing how bad our defense in the paint is did you really think we could beat any BE team other than De Paul without Ryan playing at least 10 minutes per game? Armchair observations from someone with very little appreciation for xs and os: Ryan - seems like a nice kid but his HS ranking was probably inflated but if he went somewhere else the dozens of people on the Board would have exploded. Rowan - I agree he knows how to be a true PG. He is very savvy and his stroke from 3 is better than I expected but he is a half a step slow on D. Ryan could atleast stand there and be some resistance to the rim. Ish just stands there when he’s actually supposed to be guarding someone
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Mar 3, 2024 3:42:44 GMT -5
It will get better.
Doesn’t erase Ed being a top 75 coach making top 10 money because DeGioia destroyed the program.
Hey, at least DePaul doesn’t invest much in their program. Wish we had that excuse.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 3, 2024 3:51:39 GMT -5
So today we flipped the script. Instead of losing the first half by 20 or so and making the second half academic, today we played probably our best half of the year, and then lost the second half by nearly 20. It's amazing and disheartening that we scored over 90 against Xavier twice, and won neither game. I'll bet at halftime Miller told Pierre that we have no one that can guard him and no rim protection, so he should take the ball to the hoop every time he touches it and he will score or get fouled, and that's pretty much what happened.
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Post by dense on Mar 3, 2024 4:52:27 GMT -5
So today we flipped the script. Instead of losing the first half by 20 or so and making the second half academic, today we played probably our best half of the year, and then lost the second half by nearly 20. It's amazing and disheartening that we scored over 90 against Xavier twice, and won neither game. I'll bet at halftime Miller told Pierre that we have no one that can guard him and no rim protection, so he should take the ball to the hoop every time he touches it and he will score or get fouled, and that's pretty much what happened. Exactly
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Post by bills on Mar 3, 2024 7:30:05 GMT -5
This game was reffed horribly. Claude was just failing into people and getting calls. The 5th on Styles was egregious. Way too many calls but doesn't matter. Up 12 at HT. Figure it out. You are not going to win games when the other team gets to the line 24 more times than you do. I was at the game. The refs took over the game and totally changed the momentum we had. Xavier repeatedly drove into several defenders and got every call. At the other end we got hammered driving the lane and got no calls. We did not change the way we played defense in the second half, the refs changed the calls and we could not play defense without being called for fouls. And the calls were totally different at the other end. We outplayed Xavier in EVERY aspect of the game except one - 46 free throws for Xavier and 22 for Georgetown. You cannot win when the other team is given that advantage. And, has been discussed multiple times in Hoya Talk, when the refs change the way they are making calls during the game. This game was not lost, it was taken away from us.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 3, 2024 7:50:59 GMT -5
Way too many calls but doesn't matter. Up 12 at HT. Figure it out. You are not going to win games when the other team gets to the line 24 more times than you do. I was at the game. The refs took over the game and totally changed the momentum we had. Xavier repeatedly drove into several defenders and got every call. At the other end we got hammered driving the lane and got no calls. We did not change the way we played defense in the second half, the refs changed the calls and we could not play defense without being called for fouls. And the calls were totally different at the other end. We outplayed Xavier in EVERY aspect of the game except one - 46 free throws for Xavier and 22 for Georgetown. You cannot win when the other team is given that advantage. And, has been discussed multiple times in Hoya Talk, when the refs change the way they are making calls during the game. This game was not lost, it was taken away from us. The age old lament of the loser. No amount of refereeing excuses this type of collapse.
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 3, 2024 8:05:12 GMT -5
I know one play (or even a couple) doesn’t decide a game but in I think the first half Bristol got a steal in X’s half court, creating a 2 on 1 with Brumbaugh. Bristol dribbled the length of the court and left a finger roll short. Brumbaugh got the rebound at which point X had another defender back, Brumbaugh went up 1 vs 2 for a layup and missed.
Couldn’t help thinking that for starting 3 and 2 men (or big 1s) on most NCAA tourney hopefuls that sequence would have either resulted in a dunk or Eurostep layup, or on the follow rebound, a pass out to a trailer at the top of the key for a wide open 3.
Combination of lack of athleticism and execution. I won’t say IQ because that’s too derogatory.
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 3, 2024 8:26:45 GMT -5
Yes, the number of times X shot foul shots compared to us is eye-popping. Not the reason we lost. We did outplay X in many ways at stretches -- the first half was easily our best first half of the year -- but in the most important area, we failed - defense. Ours sucked in the second half and theirs was better (number of 3's taken and made dropped big time in second half). We couldn't stop Claude, and on a handful of occasions when Claude passed, he found wide open teammates for layups or jams. We were lucky that Olivari had an off night. I was confused about why Wayne got so little time, esp. when he's a defensive standout. Why didn't EC put Wayne on Claude to at least slow his path to fairly-easy to obscenely-easy close, high percentage shots?
All that being said, the first half gave me real hope for what might be possible next year with better, more athletic players, as well as EC & Co. having a year under their belts. Never easy to lose again and again, but this year has been a lot for EC and the program. So many moving pieces and dust still settling. Should we be better in March? I guess so, maybe. But for all the reasons that we have hashed out over and over, we're not -- yet. I do believe it's coming, and I am already excited for portal time and next year.
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Post by TC on Mar 3, 2024 9:08:16 GMT -5
I know one play (or even a couple) doesn’t decide a game but in I think the first half Bristol got a steal in X’s half court, creating a 2 on 1 with Brumbaugh. Bristol dribbled the length of the court and left a finger roll short. Brumbaugh got the rebound at which point X had another defender back, Brumbaugh went up 1 vs 2 for a layup and missed. They scored 93 points, 44 in the second half. There's a lot of things to complain about but the offense was pretty solid.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 3, 2024 9:46:38 GMT -5
You are not going to win games when the other team gets to the line 24 more times than you do. I was at the game. The refs took over the game and totally changed the momentum we had. Xavier repeatedly drove into several defenders and got every call. At the other end we got hammered driving the lane and got no calls. We did not change the way we played defense in the second half, the refs changed the calls and we could not play defense without being called for fouls. And the calls were totally different at the other end. We outplayed Xavier in EVERY aspect of the game except one - 46 free throws for Xavier and 22 for Georgetown. You cannot win when the other team is given that advantage. And, has been discussed multiple times in Hoya Talk, when the refs change the way they are making calls during the game. This game was not lost, it was taken away from us. The age old lament of the loser. No amount of refereeing excuses this type of collapse. Exactly. Find a way to win.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2024 9:53:21 GMT -5
We could have had 5 traffic cones playing defense in the second half and gotten the same exact result As long as Mutombo doesn’t play.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 3, 2024 11:21:31 GMT -5
I agree that Cooley deserves a pass this year. But that being said I do have two questions for him. Why didn’t you play Brumbaugh more in our OOC games? And How bad is Motumbo that he didn’t deserve more minutes that Massoud? It’s obvious that Rowan has a huge ceiling and playing him more will allow him to reach his full potential sooner either this year or next. And knowing how bad our defense in the paint is did you really think we could beat any BE team other than De Paul without Ryan playing at least 10 minutes per game? Armchair observations from someone with very little appreciation for xs and os: Ryan - seems like a nice kid but his HS ranking was probably inflated but if he went somewhere else the dozens of people on the Board would have exploded. Rowan - I agree he knows how to be a true PG. He is very savvy and his stroke from 3 is better than I expected but he is a half a step slow on D. You're right that I'm not an xs and os kinf of guy. I'm the kind of guy who watches an opponent score 60 points against us in a half (almost all of them around the rim) and wonders why the 7 footer we recruited 3 years ago and who is currently on scholarship never made an appearance. I guess he couldn't have done as good a job protecting the rim as Massoud and Fielder. Hey I'm sorry for beating this dead horse but good grief Cooley had to know at the start of this season that there would be games like this. The fact that Ryan Motumbo has floated through three years at GU hardly ever playing while that same GU team has been one of the worst defensive teams in the our program's (and NCAA) history defies explanation.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 3, 2024 11:25:58 GMT -5
It's actually very easy to explain. Hes not a high major D1 level player. And there's nothing wrong with that. Congrats on his degree.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 3, 2024 11:27:32 GMT -5
Armchair observations from someone with very little appreciation for xs and os: Ryan - seems like a nice kid but his HS ranking was probably inflated but if he went somewhere else the dozens of people on the Board would have exploded. Rowan - I agree he knows how to be a true PG. He is very savvy and his stroke from 3 is better than I expected but he is a half a step slow on D. You're right that I'm not an xs and os kinf of guy. I'm the kind of guy who watches an opponent score 60 points against us in a half (almost all of them around the rim) and wonders why the 7 footer we recruited 3 years ago and who is currently on scholarship never made an appearance. I guess he couldn't have done as good a job protecting the rim as Massoud and Fielder. Hey I'm sorry for beating this dead horse but good grief Cooley had to know at the start of this season that there would be games like this. The fact that Ryan Motumbo has floated through three years at GU hardly ever playing while that same GU team has been one of the worst defensive teams in the our program's (and NCAA) history defies explanation. Oh yeah and regarding Brumbaugh. The kid is a freshman. Again, if this was a team loaded with good point guards I can understand bringing him along slowly. But it was obvious after our weak OOC performances that that we needed a legit pg. Sure Ryan is a little slow defensively but the kid can compete and is a floor leader. And we're seeing now (albeit 3 months too late) that he can shoot 3's and take it to the hoop. When the dust settles on this season I believe Cooley's mishandling of Rowan will be his biggest mistake.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 3, 2024 11:28:52 GMT -5
It's actually very easy to explain. Hes not a high major D1 level player. And there's nothing wrong with that. Congrats on his degree. But Massoud is?
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