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Post by Elvado on Aug 25, 2024 19:31:07 GMT -5
2-0 good guys 24 minutes in
A brace for Mitchell Baker
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 25, 2024 19:58:35 GMT -5
Not bad by a track coach.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 25, 2024 19:59:00 GMT -5
2-0 halftime
Very thorough performance in the first half for our boys.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 25, 2024 21:12:54 GMT -5
2-0 is your final here from a well-filled Ludwig Field.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 25, 2024 21:33:01 GMT -5
Goal #1, three minutes in:
The highly controversial goal #2:
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 25, 2024 21:35:47 GMT -5
This one was pretty much in hand the full 90 minutes. Worth the $14.07 (tax included) that BigTen+ extracted.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 25, 2024 23:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 25, 2024 23:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoopsmccan on Aug 26, 2024 6:54:23 GMT -5
Hope there is no bad mojo from this...the basketball program is still trying to recover from the Tyler Adams scoring debacle. hm
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Post by aleutianhoya on Aug 26, 2024 7:06:02 GMT -5
I didn't see it. But someone there said it looked like the keeper just mi it out and there happened to also be an injury so play then stopped. I would think if there's any doubt at all, you just play it back to them though.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 26, 2024 8:28:55 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 26, 2024 11:36:34 GMT -5
I want to watch the replay before posting my thoughts.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 26, 2024 22:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 26, 2024 22:38:13 GMT -5
Ok, I watched the replay (having already seen it happen live, and sitting closer to that side of the field, although it was so unremarkable in person that I didn't even really process what happened in the moment). In short, while I understand the point Sasho and his players are making, they don't really have much of a leg to stand on here.
Right around the 23:00 (counting down from 45, per the broadcast scoreboard) mark, Zach Zengue is pressuring the Maryland right back, who passes it back to his keeper. Zengue continues his run, running straight at the keeper. As this is happening, the Maryland centerback, #97 William Kulvik, is raising his arm, while their left back is pointing his left arm in Kulvik's direction. The Maryland keeper sends the ball out of play off to his left - Zengue was closing fast, but he was not going to get there to block or dispossess it.
With the ball out of play, the referee stops the clock and goes to check on Kulvik, who has gone down on one knee and is fiddling with his left ankle. After conferring with Kulvik, the referee determines that the trainers do not need to be called, and people start moving into positions for a restart while Kulvik continues walking off whatever injury he has. (Ironic moment here as the B1G+ announcer says of Kulvik "And he didn't look really hurt.")
Now, there's an interesting moment caught on camera right after this, as the referee is talking to Zengue and makes the crossing/swinging arms "No more, I'm done talking about this" gesture. We can only speculate as to what Zengue was complaining about, but in context, I think it's pretty clear:
What you have here is a case of a player coming full speed ahead at a goalie and pressuring them on a back pass, which they are not allowed to pick up. Even if Zengue is not going to get there and block/steal the ball, he's still rushing the keeper, forcing him to play the ball with his feet. He could try to quickly pass the ball to his left back, and probably that works, but Matthew Van Horn is fast approaching the left back. No, he wouldn't have gotten there in time to intercept the ball, but he would have quickly put the left back under pressure. This is how high press/pressuring teams as they try to play it out the back works.
Instead, the keeper sends it out of play.
It's noteworthy that Maryland's keeper doesn't choose to play the ball out after the previous sequence, which ends at around 23:13 left in the first, after Mitchell Baker's dribbler of a shot is easily collected. No, the keeper chooses to quickly roll the ball up to a flanker on the right side to jumpstart the attack. How...unfortunate that Kulvik suddenly feels this injury come on sometime during the seconds between when the Maryland players are on the offense moving toward the Hoyas goal - neither of the two Terp field players moving the ball forward played it out - and when the Hoyas high-midblock pressure starts forcing them to play the ball backwards toward their own goal.
If you want to look at the situation with Terp-colored glasses, you can say: "Kulvik had his hand up asking for the ball to be killed, Zengue was never going to get to the keeper, Van Horn was never going to get to the left back, Georgetown should have given the ball back."
But this norm of sporting play applies only so long as you know the other team isn't trying to use it and abuse it to their advantage. When a team has stable possession, they can play the ball out due to injury and expect to get the ball back because they're not gaining any advantage by doing so. You can't boot the ball out of bounds under pressure and expect to get it back, because you *have* gained an advantage. The keeper could have misplayed the pass to the left back, the left back could have misplayed the reception, Van Horn could have closed fast and forced him into a mistake, etc. It was still a contested play. You don't get to kill contested plays for an injury, because that creates an incentive to feign injury whenever you're in an unsettled defensive situation.
If someone's really hurt bad, like a head injury or some other serious situation, the referee can and should blow the play dead then and there. Here, the trainers were not called out, Kulvik wasn't subbed off, he didn't even go to ground until the ball was sent out of bounds. Sorry, but injuries are part of the game - if you can't establish stable possession while you have a guy who wants a stoppage, you have to live with the consequences of creating that stoppage.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Aug 27, 2024 5:11:40 GMT -5
Thanks, Russky. As I said, I didn't see it (live or video). Even as you describe it, though, I think it's unusual for a team to not play it back--at least the first time it happens. That is, I could see a team make clear to an opponent "hey, we think you're taking advantage here, and so if it happens again, be forewarned, you aren't getting the ball back." You also would be free to play it back to the opponent and immediately press. That, too, would be unusual, but it would essentially return things to the status quo ante, which I think is in keeping with the spirit of it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 27, 2024 19:26:36 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 28, 2024 9:37:44 GMT -5
Thanks, Russky. As I said, I didn't see it (live or video). Even as you describe it, though, I think it's unusual for a team to not play it back--at least the first time it happens. That is, I could see a team make clear to an opponent "hey, we think you're taking advantage here, and so if it happens again, be forewarned, you aren't getting the ball back." You also would be free to play it back to the opponent and immediately press. That, too, would be unusual, but it would essentially return things to the status quo ante, which I think is in keeping with the spirit of it. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I understand where Maryland is coming from, but... teams have a tendency to make more of this norm when it's convenient for them or they can use it as an excuse. See, for example, the women's Big East title game last year, where Nate Lie was complaining that Georgetown's first goal game after one of their players went down after a (completely clean!) challenge that turned possession over to the Hoyas: There's just no way to make that workable, it would absolutely incentivize faking/exaggerating injuries to try to kill dangerous situations. The rule has to be: when it doubt, don't play it out. In my book, no goalie should ever send a ball out of bounds while he's being remotely pressured (that is to say, he can't pick the ball up) and expect to get it back.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 28, 2024 12:15:49 GMT -5
Men stay at #16 in the coaches' poll after a 1-1 start to the season. Pitt jumped from NR all the way to #3 with the win over us. TopDrawerSoccer has them at #18.
Friday's opponent, UNC-Greensboro, sits at #18 in the coaches' poll, but is unranked by TDS.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 28, 2024 20:11:10 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 29, 2024 16:27:32 GMT -5
Georgetown Soccer Family, The DMV is blue. There is nothing quite like a Georgetown and Maryland soccer derby these days, and it is particularly satisfying to go to Ludwig Field and leave with a win. Sunday night at Maryland saw the boys manage a capacity crowd over in College Park and Mitch Baker (B'28) scored a brace to secure a massive 2-0 road result. Baker’s first goal came just two minutes into the match after a brave effort in the six served to silence the raucous crowd. Ludwig went pindrop quiet in the 23rd minute when Baker tucked in his second of the night after a great passing sequence between Blaine Mabie (C'24), Zach Zengue (C'26) and Matthew Van Horn (C'27) got in behind the Maryland defense. A couple of great saves from Tenzing Manske (C'26) in goal was enough to earn the first shutout of the season and run our record against the Terps to 6-2-2 over the last ten matches. It was an important performance to help us rebound from our Thursday night season opener at #3 Pitt, where we battled against a sold out stadium and a very good Pitt Panther side only to come up short in a 2-0 loss. It was a tight affair with limited chances for both sides with the difference being that Pitt converted on theirs and we weren’t sharp enough in the final third to counterbalance. After the opening week of play with seven new starters from last season, we sit at 1-1 after opening against two grizzly bears on the road. All in all, a great experience for this group to work through. It doesn’t get much easier at home this weekend! We will welcome #18 UNC-Greensboro to Shaw Field tomorrow, a team that went to the NCAA Elite 8 two years ago, and then FIU on Monday coming off of their own NCAA second round appearance last year. This is why I have gray hair. Calling All Alums! Our Alumni Weekend dates have been set and this year marks 30 years since the 1994 team made history with the first ever NCAA tournament appearance! Make plans now to get to the Hilltop for the weekend of October 18-20. We host Seton Hall on October 19 and plans for a golf outing are in place so reach out to me if you would like to find out more. The Week Behind: @#3 Pitt, L 0-2 @maryland, W 2-0 The Week Ahead: Friday, Aug. 30 v #18 UNC-Greensboro 4 p.m. Shaw Field Monday, Sept. 2 v FIU 1 p.m. Shaw Field BIG EAST News: The BIG EAST coaches picked Georgetown as the preseason favorites to win the league in 2024 and three Hoyas, Maximus Jennings (C'25) and Marlon Tabora (C'24), and Zach Zengue (C'26), were selected to the BIG EAST Preseason 1st Team. For his brace against Maryland, Mitch Baker (B'28) was selected to the BIG EAST weekly Honor Roll. I’ll let you know how the Labor Day Weekend home openers go, and, in the meantime, Go Hoyas! Brian Wiese Head Coach, Georgetown Men's Soccer
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