traversb
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Post by traversb on Nov 4, 2023 15:42:58 GMT -5
Alright let's see them.
I think 15 regular season wins would be good enough for me. That should keep us out of last place in the Big East which is key for perception. I think 13-15 wins is my expected range so I will go with 14 as my prediction. If we get to 18 wins I will consider it a great season. I would've underestimated the team and Cooley in that case and we should be well on our way.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 4, 2023 16:46:12 GMT -5
I agree with 14 wins, 8 OOC and 6 BE. But again wins and losses are not what matters this year. Rather what matters is any indication that we have turned a corner. i.e. no more hero ball, much better defense, better ball movement and lots more assists and a general understanding on the part of the players that they are part of a team and their time on the Hilltop involves more than showcasing their talents for any NBA scouts watching.
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Post by bluegray79 on Nov 4, 2023 18:01:46 GMT -5
I have been talking the optimist talk, so now I think it's only right that I walk the optimist walk. I am going to say 16 wins -- 9 OOC and 7 BE. It's a stretch, yes, but I'm leaning into more surprise upsets and fewer disappointing letdown defeats. Agree as well that the quality of play and growth of the team throughout the season will be the main things I will be really paying attention to. That and just enjoying this group of players and coaches and the beginning of the Cooley Era.
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Post by dense on Nov 4, 2023 18:04:41 GMT -5
I'm going 17-15 10-2 ooc, 7-13 BE
Also predicting Epps will be 2nd team all-BE and Drew Fielder will be 1st team all freshman/newcomer. We will beat one of the top 3-4 team at Capital One once. We will shoot the lights out and beat 1 of (Marquette, Creighton, Villanova, UConn or St.Johns) at home.
Best case scenario is 9-11 BE. And we get to 20 wins.
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Post by thedragon on Nov 4, 2023 18:36:10 GMT -5
I'll go 15-17. 9-3 OOC. 6-14 in conference.
Injuries are gonna happen and depth is a huge issue.
IF everyone stays healthy and Ish returns healthy for conference time I'd add a couple wins to the total.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 4, 2023 18:42:30 GMT -5
32-0
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 4, 2023 19:06:46 GMT -5
4-16 BE or worse is going to feel like the needle hasn’t moved much. 6-14 would be a decent season, all things considered.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 4, 2023 23:02:09 GMT -5
I’ll be optimistic and say 7-13 in the Big East and 8-3 out of conference. 15-16 overall.
I see 31 games on our schedule in the espn app is that wrong?
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Post by traversb on Nov 6, 2023 17:02:46 GMT -5
But again wins and losses are not what matters this year. Rather what matters is any indication that we have turned a corner. i.e. no more hero ball, much better defense, better ball movement and lots more assists and a general understanding on the part of the players that they are part of a team and their time on the Hilltop involves more than showcasing their talents for any NBA scouts watching. I see this sentiment on here and you got a lot of likes but who does this really matter too? It seems more of something fans looking for hope want than something practical. If we win 3-4 Big East game will potential players care that we improved from all time bad to just very bad? Unless you believe we already have all the players we need for next year I think it's important to at the very least not finish last in the Big East. We need to be able to land a good transfer or two that believes they can win here next year. I am not someone that believes it takes 3-4 years to turn around a college team in this landscape. I don't think Cooley believed that either until his off season did not go so well. Now he is trying to temper expectations greatly. If he really is a top coach then he will have things turn around next year. Coaches not considered anywhere on his level have got it done in year 1 and certainly year 2. |
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Post by traversb on Nov 6, 2023 17:03:16 GMT -5
4-16 BE or worse is going to feel like the needle hasn’t moved much. 6-14 would be a decent season, all things considered. This is pretty much where I am at. |
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 6, 2023 17:08:37 GMT -5
5-15 BE
7-4 NC
Go Hoyas!
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Post by prhoya on Nov 6, 2023 19:14:07 GMT -5
But again wins and losses are not what matters this year. Rather what matters is any indication that we have turned a corner. i.e. no more hero ball, much better defense, better ball movement and lots more assists and a general understanding on the part of the players that they are part of a team and their time on the Hilltop involves more than showcasing their talents for any NBA scouts watching. I see this sentiment on here and you got a lot of likes but who does this really matter too? It seems more of something fans looking for hope want than something practical. If we win 3-4 Big East game will potential players care that we improved from all time bad to just very bad? Unless you believe we already have all the players we need for next year I think it's important to at the very least not finish last in the Big East. We need to be able to land a good transfer or two that believes they can win here next year. I am not someone that believes it takes 3-4 years to turn around a college team in this landscape. I don't think Cooley believed that either until his off season did not go so well. Now he is trying to temper expectations greatly. If he really is a top coach then he will have things turn around next year. Coaches not considered anywhere on his level have got it done in year 1 and certainly year 2. Exactly! |
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Post by drquigley on Nov 6, 2023 19:26:07 GMT -5
I see this sentiment on here and you got a lot of likes but who does this really matter too? It seems more of something fans looking for hope want than something practical. If we win 3-4 Big East game will potential players care that we improved from all time bad to just very bad? Unless you believe we already have all the players we need for next year I think it's important to at the very least not finish last in the Big East. We need to be able to land a good transfer or two that believes they can win here next year. I am not someone that believes it takes 3-4 years to turn around a college team in this landscape. I don't think Cooley believed that either until his off season did not go so well. Now he is trying to temper expectations greatly. If he really is a top coach then he will have things turn around next year. Coaches not considered anywhere on his level have got it done in year 1 and certainly year 2. Exactly! Of course a surprise 13-7 or better BE would be great and definitely energize the program. But unless we really stink out the joint I think we should be happy with a 6-14 BE IF, and this is where I'm coming from, we see a real change in some of the basics that have been missing the last few years. Plus, let's be honest, if we lose 14 blowout games like we lost so many BE games the last few years then 6-14 won't be encouraging However, if we take UCONN, Nova, Marquette, St. John's and Creighton down to the wire and upset any one or two of those teams then 6-14 would be. |
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Nov 6, 2023 19:36:31 GMT -5
Name a coach that "turned it around" in one year that didn't inherit a star (or a talented kid who became a star that year).
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Post by traversb on Nov 6, 2023 21:45:48 GMT -5
Of course a surprise 13-7 or better BE would be great and definitely energize the program. But unless we really stink out the joint I think we should be happy with a 6-14 BE IF, and this is where I'm coming from, we see a real change in some of the basics that have been missing the last few years. Plus, let's be honest, if we lose 14 blowout games like we lost so many BE games the last few years then 6-14 won't be encouraging However, if we take UCONN, Nova, Marquette, St. John's and Creighton down to the wire and upset any one or two of those teams then 6-14 would be. To me 6-14 would be fine. If wins don't matter than 3-17 would be fine as long as we look better and play closer games. I don't believe that. |
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Post by traversb on Nov 6, 2023 22:02:20 GMT -5
Name a coach that "turned it around" in one year that didn't inherit a star (or a talented kid who became a star that year). Nice caveats. Jerome Tang turned it around but let me guess you are going to say Nowell was a star. Anyone that turned it around likely had someone that became a star because but that is the result not the reason. Nowell was a solid college player but not considered anywhere near a star until last year under Tang. Mike White won't get credit for a turn around but he won 5 more conference games and 10 more overall than the year before. That would be more than acceptable for Cooley. Sean Miller didn't take over nearly as bad a team as those other two but he inherited a team that hadn't made the tournament in 3 years and was winning 6-8 Big East games. He won 15 and made the Sweet 16, |
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 7, 2023 5:36:41 GMT -5
18-13
10-10 BE
8-3 OOC
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 7, 2023 5:48:14 GMT -5
OOC 8-3
BE 6-14
Season: 14-17
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 7, 2023 16:56:48 GMT -5
OOC: 10-1
BE: 8-12
BET: 2-1
NIT: 2-1
Overall: 22-15
KenPom: 82
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Post by calhoya on Nov 7, 2023 17:21:32 GMT -5
OOC: 10-1 BE: 8-12 BET: 2-1 NIT: 2-1 Overall: 22-15 KenPom: 82 Who is this and what have you done with hoyaboya? I'll take this prediction any day. |
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