xpathoya
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Post by xpathoya on May 2, 2023 11:28:53 GMT -5
Tough sell.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 2, 2023 11:51:45 GMT -5
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wsdhoya
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Post by wsdhoya on May 2, 2023 12:18:27 GMT -5
Just to be clear, neither school is offering him "NIL". They're both offering to pay him illegally. Important to clarify and stop the lies.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on May 2, 2023 12:23:28 GMT -5
There's no reliable info out there - so where he ends up is anyone's guess. But even looking through Blue and Gray colored glasses it's very hard to make a persuasive argument of why he'd pick Georgetown. You've got to assume the NIL money he wants will be acquiesced to by everybody in his final group. And Georgetown is by far and away the biggest question mark when it comes to roster. The only thing that even gives me the smallest iota of pause is that it seems pretty apparent that we've been slow rolling other transfers/commits waiting for this shoe to drop. Which you would hope infers the staff thinks they have a legitimate shot. Let's hope they have a plan B. If HD wants to be remembered 30 years from now, I would argue Gtown may be the best place to make that happen. What better story to write at the end of his college basketball career than helping to bring back this stories program from the gutter. Even casual basketball fans still know Gtown legends from 40 years ago. He can put his face in the pantheon of college basketball greats. Or he can be another name at another program that people will forget about in a few years. Haha. Who are we kidding? KU lock. This is one of three reasons why he would choose GTown. The 1st is he will be the big dog at GTown. All of the offense will run through him. The 2nd is being close to home.
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Post by trotters10 on May 2, 2023 12:30:27 GMT -5
If those numbers are true, 2 YRS-1.2 mil per year for Hunter, that's a pretty fair offer from Georgetown.
It would... 1) Show we do have some serious NIL funds. I hate NIL personally, but we're obviously gonna need to have a lot to be in the game. 2) Trying to ensure Hunter is around for a second year is probably a pretty good indicator that Cooley expects us to be in the NCAA Tourney in year 2 for sure, hence why he's going after sophomore/junior type portal guys. 3) Sure as heck seems like we're not getting Hunter, but if G'Town can offer that kind of money, I would suspect a large chunk of it will be carried over into next year.
But obviously all speculation, there are still big names going into the portal, the whole trajectory could look entirely different in a few weeks.
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wsdhoya
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Post by wsdhoya on May 2, 2023 12:32:41 GMT -5
If HD wants to be remembered 30 years from now, I would argue Gtown may be the best place to make that happen. What better story to write at the end of his college basketball career than helping to bring back this stories program from the gutter. Even casual basketball fans still know Gtown legends from 40 years ago. He can put his face in the pantheon of college basketball greats. Or he can be another name at another program that people will forget about in a few years. Haha. Who are we kidding? KU lock. This is one of three reasons why he would choose GTown. The 1st is he will be the big dog at GTown. All of the offense will run through him. The 2nd is being close to home. People need to stop thinking about recruiting in the 2010s way. I'm sorry but being a "college basketball legend" isn't factoring in anywhere. For one thing, when the major football schools in their two super conferences formally separate from the NCAA in the 2030s, Georgetown and college basketball in general will be the equivalent of division 3 sports. There is no such thing as a college basketball legend anymore. Secondly, kids will go to the highest bidder. If he goes further from home, he can use the extra few hundred grand to fly his parents in whenever he wants. It's about money now, that's why Dickinson is in the portal in the first place.
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wsdhoya
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Post by wsdhoya on May 2, 2023 12:33:06 GMT -5
If those numbers are true, 2 YRS-1.2 mil per year for Hunter, that's a pretty fair offer from Georgetown. It would... 1) Show we do have some serious NIL funds. I hate NIL personally, but we're obviously gonna need to have a lot to be in the game. 2) Trying to ensure Hunter is around for a second year is probably a pretty good indicator that Cooley expects us to be in the NCAA Tourney in year 2 for sure, hence why he's going after sophomore/junior type portal guys. 3) Sure as heck seems like we're not getting Hunter, but if G'Town can offer that kind of money, I would suspect a large chunk of it will be carried over into next year. But obviously all speculation, there are still big names going into the portal, the whole trajectory could look entirely different in a few weeks. It's not NIL. Stop calling it that.
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Post by professorhoya on May 2, 2023 12:35:52 GMT -5
If HD wants to be remembered 30 years from now, I would argue Gtown may be the best place to make that happen. What better story to write at the end of his college basketball career than helping to bring back this stories program from the gutter. Even casual basketball fans still know Gtown legends from 40 years ago. He can put his face in the pantheon of college basketball greats. Or he can be another name at another program that people will forget about in a few years. Haha. Who are we kidding? KU lock. This is one of three reasons why he would choose GTown. The 1st is he will be the big dog at GTown. All of the offense will run through him. The 2nd is being close to home. Another factor is Nike. Hunter was Nike at DeMatha. Nike at Michigan. Nike will not want to lose him. Especially to an Adidas championship caliber school like Kansas. Maryland Under Armour. So if this shoe stuff matters Nike will want to steer to Georgetown, Kentucky and Villanova which I believe are all Nike schools. That would work out in our favor as it eliminates KU (blue blood, charismatic HOF great coach) and Maryland (close to home, $$)
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Post by trotters10 on May 2, 2023 12:37:21 GMT -5
If those numbers are true, 2 YRS-1.2 mil per year for Hunter, that's a pretty fair offer from Georgetown. It would... 1) Show we do have some serious NIL funds. I hate NIL personally, but we're obviously gonna need to have a lot to be in the game. 2) Trying to ensure Hunter is around for a second year is probably a pretty good indicator that Cooley expects us to be in the NCAA Tourney in year 2 for sure, hence why he's going after sophomore/junior type portal guys. 3) Sure as heck seems like we're not getting Hunter, but if G'Town can offer that kind of money, I would suspect a large chunk of it will be carried over into next year. But obviously all speculation, there are still big names going into the portal, the whole trajectory could look entirely different in a few weeks. It's not NIL. Stop calling it that. Just using the acronym, it's obviously pay-for-play, just way easier to type out NIL.
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Post by Elvado on May 2, 2023 12:41:31 GMT -5
Just to be clear, neither school is offering him "NIL". They're both offering to pay him illegally. Important to clarify and stop the lies. So he would instantly be top 5 earner in the whole University? Something’s way out of whack….
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Post by wsdhoya on May 2, 2023 12:42:37 GMT -5
What is happening a lot now is coaches are contacting players who are not in the portal, offering them $X, and then the player goes to his current school and asks for them to match it, and if not they go into the portal with their destination already known. So, I would keep that in mind as guys "enter the portal" over the next few days. Most of the top mid major guys already know where their paycheck is coming from.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 2, 2023 12:50:32 GMT -5
Just to be clear, neither school is offering him "NIL". They're both offering to pay him illegally. Important to clarify and stop the lies. It is not NIL and it is not illegal.
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Post by hoyadoing on May 2, 2023 12:50:39 GMT -5
Just to be clear, neither school is offering him "NIL". They're both offering to pay him illegally. Important to clarify and stop the lies. So he would instantly be top 5 earner in the whole University? Something’s way out of whack…. He'd easily be a top 5 profit generator at the university, so why shouldn't he be paid for it?
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 2, 2023 12:51:36 GMT -5
nm
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wsdhoya
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Post by wsdhoya on May 2, 2023 12:53:32 GMT -5
Just to be clear, neither school is offering him "NIL". They're both offering to pay him illegally. Important to clarify and stop the lies. It is not NIL and it is not illegal. See Allston v NCAA. Illegal formation isn't a crime either, but it's against the rules of the NFL, just as pay for play is against the rules of the NCAA. It's illegal in the sport.
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Post by wsdhoya on May 2, 2023 12:58:42 GMT -5
Illegal formation isn't a crime either, but it's against the rules of the NFL, just as pay for play is against the rules of the NCAA. It's illegal in the sport. Because of the Court, the line between pay for play and third party compensation of an athlete (whether by NIL, collective, or outright sponsorship) is largely outside the hands of the NCAA. Pay for play by a member school remains illegal, but third parties skirt this rule. [/quote] Correct. This is the purpose of a "collective". Schools / boosters give money to collective, collective gives money to recruit. This is why I refer to collectives as money launderers. It's essentially all they are.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 2, 2023 12:59:21 GMT -5
Illegal formation isn't a crime either, but it's against the rules of the NFL, just as pay for play is against the rules of the NCAA. It's illegal in the sport. Because of the Court, the line between pay for play and third party compensation of an athlete (whether by NIL, collective, or outright sponsorship) is largely outside the hands of the NCAA. Pay for play by a member school remains illegal, but third parties skirt this rule. In passing, it's somewhat interesting that it has tacit signoff up the hill. Will they be so accommodating for other sports? If someone got six figures to come to GU to play football or row, would they consider that "unsporting", you know, not in the ethos and culture?
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Post by b52legend on May 2, 2023 13:00:02 GMT -5
This is one of three reasons why he would choose GTown. The 1st is he will be the big dog at GTown. All of the offense will run through him. The 2nd is being close to home. People need to stop thinking about recruiting in the 2010s way. I'm sorry but being a "college basketball legend" isn't factoring in anywhere. For one thing, when the major football schools in their two super conferences formally separate from the NCAA in the 2030s, Georgetown and college basketball in general will be the equivalent of division 3 sports. There is no such thing as a college basketball legend anymore. Secondly, kids will go to the highest bidder. If he goes further from home, he can use the extra few hundred grand to fly his parents in whenever he wants. It's about money now, that's why Dickinson is in the portal in the first place. I disagree that this isn’t a factor. Nick Smith Jr. at Arkansas was one of the top recruits in the class. He came back from a knee injury and played the last 1/3 of the season when EVERYONE was saying he shouldn’t play and should preserve himself for the draft. He arguably lost some draft status because he played pretty poorly after coming back. He stated he came back because he wanted to compete and try and do something special at Arkansas. Either he is a liar or there are other motivations. Don’t get me wrong, money matters, but that isn’t the only thing that matters.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 2, 2023 13:02:30 GMT -5
If those numbers are true, 2 YRS-1.2 mil per year for Hunter, that's a pretty fair offer from Georgetown. True, BUT ... we're not gonna outbid any of the big dogs with offers like that. In order to land top guys like Dickinson we have to be willing to pay above and beyond what teams like KU and Kentucky are willing to pay.
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Post by Elvado on May 2, 2023 13:17:42 GMT -5
So he would instantly be top 5 earner in the whole University? Something’s way out of whack…. He'd easily be a top 5 profit generator at the university, so why shouldn't he be paid for it? Priorities I guess… The good news here is that GU can climb down off what is left of its high horse and acknowledge that it is simply a matter of price….
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