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Post by seaweed on Aug 31, 2023 14:00:36 GMT -5
One more thought on John Thompson's resignation before returning to the roster. There is no definitive reason for why it happened (Thompson's divorce was, at best, a deflection) but I am led to consider that Thompson saw a sudden departure as the best way to maintain his ability to name his successor, much as Dean Smith did in the fall of 1997. Dean was only 66 and coming off a Final Four appearance, but John Swofford had resigned as Carolina AD over the summer and the new AD, Dick Baddour, was looking at other options when Smith retired. Thompson wasn't worried about Joe Lang changing course but a season long goodbye would have allowed Leo O'Donovan to pursue options outside la familia and JT didn't have the relationship with O'Donovan that he enjoyed with Tim Healy. It was unnecessarily difficult for institutional Georgetown to part ties with la familia. Here's a sobering thought: if Patrick Ewing had gone 13-18, would he be back this year? As to the roster, Cooley is smart enough to know what he has, what he needs, and the cost-benefit of adding bodies to the roster now versus later. Watch for that mid-year transfer portal. My recollection at the time was that it would have been impossible for him to be coach and have an interest in a casino development project he had a piece of. Anyone have any more details on that angle? |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 31, 2023 14:31:55 GMT -5
One more thought on John Thompson's resignation before returning to the roster. There is no definitive reason for why it happened (Thompson's divorce was, at best, a deflection) but I am led to consider that Thompson saw a sudden departure as the best way to maintain his ability to name his successor, much as Dean Smith did in the fall of 1997. Dean was only 66 and coming off a Final Four appearance, but John Swofford had resigned as Carolina AD over the summer and the new AD, Dick Baddour, was looking at other options when Smith retired. Thompson wasn't worried about Joe Lang changing course but a season long goodbye would have allowed Leo O'Donovan to pursue options outside la familia and JT didn't have the relationship with O'Donovan that he enjoyed with Tim Healy. It was unnecessarily difficult for institutional Georgetown to part ties with la familia. Here's a sobering thought: if Patrick Ewing had gone 13-18, would he be back this year? As to the roster, Cooley is smart enough to know what he has, what he needs, and the cost-benefit of adding bodies to the roster now versus later. Watch for that mid-year transfer portal. This juicy Washingtonian article provides more clarity regarding St. John Thompson‘s resignation: By 1999, three years after the fire, 15 months after the divorce filing, and many court dates later, a settlement still had not been reached. Luxenberg’s biggest club was the threat to drag the case and all of Thompson’s dirty laundry into a public hearing. Now the pressure wasn’t getting only to Gwen–it was starting to affect Thompson’s coaching. In the middle of the 1998-99 season, he abruptly announced that he was quitting. He told the Post that the “details” of his pending divorce were “bogging him down.”www.washingtonian.com/2000/03/01/divorce-washington-style-2/Yes, he was tired of coaching; yes, he was sick of recruiting; but it was the fear of the dirty laundry (which was sealed) amassed by his wife’s attorney coming out during the divorce proceedings, which according to that arricle involved familiar names like David Falk and Mary Fenlon, that was “bogging him down.” |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 1, 2023 18:31:11 GMT -5
For what it's worth, late registration closed today on campus. The roster is now set, whether Athletics has revealed it or not.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 1, 2023 18:49:31 GMT -5
For what it's worth, late registration closed today on campus. The roster is now set, whether Athletics has revealed it or not. Did it close with 9 or 10 scholarship players? |
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Post by Omega on Sept 2, 2023 9:40:57 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with the roster... Y'all Thompson Jones is poking through the screen. I'm sure there are surgery options for that...
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Post by prhoya on Sept 2, 2023 12:26:12 GMT -5
What a great contribution to the discussion board, y’all.
The number of scholarship players has to do… well… with the roster.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 2, 2023 13:14:25 GMT -5
One more thought on John Thompson's resignation before returning to the roster. There is no definitive reason for why it happened (Thompson's divorce was, at best, a deflection) but I am led to consider that Thompson saw a sudden departure as the best way to maintain his ability to name his successor, much as Dean Smith did in the fall of 1997. Dean was only 66 and coming off a Final Four appearance, but John Swofford had resigned as Carolina AD over the summer and the new AD, Dick Baddour, was looking at other options when Smith retired. Thompson wasn't worried about Joe Lang changing course but a season long goodbye would have allowed Leo O'Donovan to pursue options outside la familia and JT didn't have the relationship with O'Donovan that he enjoyed with Tim Healy. It was unnecessarily difficult for institutional Georgetown to part ties with la familia. Here's a sobering thought: if Patrick Ewing had gone 13-18, would he be back this year? As to the roster, Cooley is smart enough to know what he has, what he needs, and the cost-benefit of adding bodies to the roster now versus later. Watch for that mid-year transfer portal. This juicy Washingtonian article provides more clarity regarding St. John Thompson‘s resignation: By 1999, three years after the fire, 15 months after the divorce filing, and many court dates later, a settlement still had not been reached. Luxenberg’s biggest club was the threat to drag the case and all of Thompson’s dirty laundry into a public hearing. Now the pressure wasn’t getting only to Gwen–it was starting to affect Thompson’s coaching. In the middle of the 1998-99 season, he abruptly announced that he was quitting. He told the Post that the “details” of his pending divorce were “bogging him down.”www.washingtonian.com/2000/03/01/divorce-washington-style-2/Yes, he was tired of coaching; yes, he was sick of recruiting; but it was the fear of the dirty laundry (which was sealed) amassed by his wife’s attorney coming out during the divorce proceedings, which according to that arricle involved familiar names like David Falk and Mary Fenlon, that was “bogging him down.” The "St. John" dig seems unnecessary, considering that Pops was never one to describe himself as a saint or try to cultivate such an image, the way, say, Coach K. did. |
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Post by prhoya on Sept 2, 2023 14:44:34 GMT -5
This juicy Washingtonian article provides more clarity regarding St. John Thompson‘s resignation: By 1999, three years after the fire, 15 months after the divorce filing, and many court dates later, a settlement still had not been reached. Luxenberg’s biggest club was the threat to drag the case and all of Thompson’s dirty laundry into a public hearing. Now the pressure wasn’t getting only to Gwen–it was starting to affect Thompson’s coaching. In the middle of the 1998-99 season, he abruptly announced that he was quitting. He told the Post that the “details” of his pending divorce were “bogging him down.”www.washingtonian.com/2000/03/01/divorce-washington-style-2/Yes, he was tired of coaching; yes, he was sick of recruiting; but it was the fear of the dirty laundry (which was sealed) amassed by his wife’s attorney coming out during the divorce proceedings, which according to that arricle involved familiar names like David Falk and Mary Fenlon, that was “bogging him down.” The "St. John" dig seems unnecessary, considering that Pops was never one to describe himself as a saint or try to cultivate such an image, the way, say, Coach K. did. True in that JT2 didn’t care what anyone thought of him, but not in that some people talk about him as if he was infallible. As to Coach K, I disagree. It was ESPN increasing its portfolio $ and Vitale’s slurping, and Coach K enjoying the fruits of their labor. |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 2, 2023 15:58:22 GMT -5
The "St. John" dig seems unnecessary, considering that Pops was never one to describe himself as a saint or try to cultivate such an image, the way, say, Coach K. did. True in that JT2 didn’t care what anyone thought of him, but not in that some people talk about him as if he was infallible. As to Coach K, I disagree. It was ESPN increasing its portfolio $ and Vitale’s slurping, and Coach K enjoying the fruits of their labor. I've never heard anyone describe Pops as infallible, but your mileage may vary. We can agree to disagree about K. I do not think he was a passive bystander to attempted beautification by Dukie V., et al by any stretch, e.g., mashable.com/article/grayson-allen-duke-coach-k |
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Post by prhoya on Sept 2, 2023 16:05:27 GMT -5
I agree that he wasn’t. He was the best at gaming the system. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Sept 3, 2023 12:26:35 GMT -5
What happened to roster discussion and why has this hijacking been allowed by mods who are usually so draconian?
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Post by prhoya on Sept 3, 2023 15:41:00 GMT -5
Back to the roster discussion…
Now that registration for the fall semester is done, are we at 9 or 10 scholarship players?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 3, 2023 15:53:00 GMT -5
Back to the roster discussion… Now that registration for the fall semester is done, are we at 9 or 10 scholarship players? I am genuinely curious if McKenna is enrolled, or if someone without a high school degree can enroll as they finish their requirements. Of course, I am assuming that the hold-up on McKenna's eligibility is a high school degree, which may not be true, as there are other requirements, like standardized test scores. Back when I was a student they used to publish a book directory of all students. In retrospect, it's amazing they published such a book with everybody's phone numbers and address. Home addresses may have even been included, but I don't remember for sure. I assume given privacy concerns that no such thing exists anymore (or if it does it is very restricted), but if it does that would be one way to find out who is enrolled. |
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Post by prhoya on Sept 3, 2023 15:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 3, 2023 16:02:09 GMT -5
Does anybody know NCAA rules for mid-year transfers? The NCAA rules/guidance document on transfers do not address a mid-year transfer, but a non-official site said that the portal opens March 18, 2024 and closes May 16, 2024. But, we know kids transfer, for example, after the first semester of basketball. What then? Would somebody transferring in December be able to start at their new school in January?
Some websites claim you cannot enter the portal outside these time periods, but we know guys have transferred mid-year. Does anybody know the actual rules and/or have any supporting documentation?
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Post by bills on Sept 3, 2023 16:03:54 GMT -5
Back to the roster discussion… Now that registration for the fall semester is done, are we at 9 or 10 scholarship players? I am genuinely curious if McKenna is enrolled, or if someone without a high school degree can enroll as they finish their requirements. Of course, I am assuming that the hold-up on McKenna's eligibility is a high school degree, which may not be true, as there are other requirements, like standardized test scores. Back when I was a student they used to publish a book directory of all students. In retrospect, it's amazing they published such a book with everybody's phone numbers and address. Home addresses may have even been included, but I don't remember for sure. I assume given privacy concerns that no such thing exists anymore (or if it does it is very restricted), but if it does that would be one way to find out who is enrolled. I think we have two questions we would like answers to: 1. Is McKenna enrolled at Georgetown? If he is not enrolled, why and when can he enroll? 2. If he is enrolled, is he eligible to play basketball? If not, what is needed to become eligible and will we be on hold waiting for the NCAA to announce a decision? I guess that is six questions. |
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Post by TC on Sept 3, 2023 17:14:10 GMT -5
Does anybody know NCAA rules for mid-year transfers? The NCAA rules/guidance document on transfers do not address a mid-year transfer, but a non-official site said that the portal opens March 18, 2024 and closes May 16, 2024. But, we know kids transfer, for example, after the first semester of basketball. What then? Would somebody transferring in December be able to start at their new school in January? Some websites claim you cannot enter the portal outside these time periods, but we know guys have transferred mid-year. Does anybody know the actual rules and/or have any supporting documentation? The one example that we really know of outside of the window since it was implemented (August 2022) was Dante Harris - I think since Dante did not use the one time transfer exception and instead sat out all of 2022-2023, he could transfer outside of the portal window. I think that's the more realistic avenue to getting a high potential player with one of our remaining scholarships - a player decides to transfer before the first game of the year, or decides in December they want to transfer and sits out the year. I think the exceptions for players to get eligible for January would be : - any player who graduates in December - any player on a team whose coach is fired midseason |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 3, 2023 17:31:00 GMT -5
The one example that we really know of outside of the window since it was implemented (August 2022) was Dante Harris - I think since Dante did not use the one time transfer exception and instead sat out all of 2022-2023, he could transfer outside of the portal window. I think that's the more realistic avenue to getting a high potential player with one of our remaining scholarships - a player decides to transfer before the first game of the year, or decides in December they want to transfer and sits out the year. I think the exceptions for players to get eligible for January would be : - any player who graduates in December - any player on a team whose coach is fired midseason I suspect this is correct, though my sense is that even the latter example (coach fired mid-season) might not provide a basis (and it would certainly require a waiver). Assuming this is true, it essentially means our eligible roster is set (aside from McKenna). Even if someone transfers mid-season they won't be eligible until next year, per the Dante Harris example, unless the person is a graduate transfer. So basically, the only ways we could possibly get any other players on the roster for this season, other than walk-ons, would be: - A 2024 recruit reclassified and joins early. I know people are obsessed with Sorber on this, but there truly is no indicaton this is going to happen, there's no indication that he even wants to do a reclass. And we haven't even heard unsubstantiated rumors about Mulready or Williams coming in. So, barring some major development, this is highly unlikey. - A last minute graduate transfer. This seems incredibly unlikely, this would basically be Akok in reverse. This is incredibly rare, and it would seemingly be too late for someone to join unless they skirted rules on class registration (seems surmountble). - A mid-year transfer with a waiver--the odds of which seem virtually zero. So, barring some very unlikely event, our roster is our roster. It'll either be 10 with McKenna or 9 without him. If McKenna is practicing with the team, there's not a huge difference between his joining in November or late December for second semester, though. I think the real key is whether he's available by Big East play in mid-late December. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 3, 2023 18:46:19 GMT -5
I think the exceptions for players to get eligible for January would be : - any player who graduates in December - any player on a team whose coach is fired midseason Or, and I think this makes plausible sense, any player who exercises a first time (no waiver required) transfer after the end of his fall semester. |
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Post by prhoya on Sept 3, 2023 18:50:07 GMT -5
I think the exceptions for players to get eligible for January would be : - any player who graduates in December - any player on a team whose coach is fired midseason Or, and I think this makes plausible sense, any player who exercises a first time (no waiver required) transfer after the end of his fall semester. Looking forward to the Cooley pre-season interviews… |
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