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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 6, 2023 20:25:15 GMT -5
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences in NET Rankings, heading into the weekend (out of 363 DI teams): 180. Notre Dame, 8-7, 0-4 ACC 196. DePaul, 7-9, 1-4 Big East 217. Boston College, 8-7, 2-2 ACC 226. Oregon State, 6-8, 1-3 Pac-12 237. Minnesota, 6-7, 0-3 Big Ten 244. Florida State, 4-11, 2-2 ACC 248. Georgetown, 5-11, 0-5 Big East252. South Carolina, 7-7, 0-1 SEC 288. California, 2-13, 1-3 Pac-12 346. Louisville, 2-13, 0-4 ACC The 11th worst team in NET rankings from Power Six conferences? Syracuse, #142, 10-5, 3-1 in ACC, but victim of 235rd in Non-Conference Strength of Schedule. So we've lost to 3 of the 11 worst teams from power conferences this year. With one more to go - Bottom 10 showdown January 24th at home vs. DePaul. This will work out well for our seeding in this year's worst team in the country tournament.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 6, 2023 21:19:38 GMT -5
We’re a lock for a one seed in the Sickos Committee bracket for sure.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 6, 2023 22:18:34 GMT -5
California is putting it on Stanford right now. So they could get a bump. They also seem to run a semblance of a motion O. A lot better than our 1v1 offense🤷🏾‍♂️
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 9, 2023 18:05:29 GMT -5
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences in NET Rankings, coming out of the weekend (363 DI teams):
174. Notre Dame, 8-8, 0-5 ACC, lost @ UNC 81-64 (moved up 4 spots) 191. DePaul, 7-9, 1-4 Big East, lost @ Butler 78-70 (+5) 213. Boston College, 8-8, 2-3 ACC, lost to #24 Duke 65-64 (+4) 225. Oregon State, 6-9, 1-4 Pac-12, lost @ Colorado 62-42 (+1) 228. Florida State, 5-11, 3-2 ACC, beat GA Tech 75-64 (+16) 235. Minnesota, 6-8, 0-4 Big Ten, lost to Nebraska 81-79 (OT) (+2) 247. Georgetown, 5-12, 0-6 Big East, lost @ Marquette 95-73 (+1) 251. California, 3-13, 2-2 Pac-12, beat Stanford 92-70 (+37) 264. South Carolina, 7-8, 0-2 SEC, lost to #5 Tennessee 85-42(!)... at home too, yikes (-12) 345. Louisville, 2-14, 0-5 ACC, lost to Wake 80-72 (+1)
Others in striking distance: #147 Georgia Tech, #138 Stanford
This is a tough job, but someone has to do it.
No one has to do this, you say?
Perhaps you're right... but as a fan, this is one of the few ways I can get myself through back to back historically bad Hoya seasons until Patrick Ewing is no longer the coach.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 10, 2023 21:10:29 GMT -5
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences in NET Rankings, coming out of the weekend (363 DI teams): 174. Notre Dame, 8-8, 0-5 ACC, lost @ UNC 81-64 (moved up 4 spots) 191. DePaul, 7-9, 1-4 Big East, lost @ Butler 78-70 (+5) 213. Boston College, 8-8, 2-3 ACC, lost to #24 Duke 65-64 (+4) 225. Oregon State, 6-9, 1-4 Pac-12, lost @ Colorado 62-42 (+1) 228. Florida State, 5-11, 3-2 ACC, beat GA Tech 75-64 (+16) 235. Minnesota, 6-8, 0-4 Big Ten, lost to Nebraska 81-79 (OT) (+2) 247. Georgetown, 5-12, 0-6 Big East, lost @ Marquette 95-73 (+1)251. California, 3-13, 2-2 Pac-12, beat Stanford 92-70 (+37) 264. South Carolina, 7-8, 0-2 SEC, lost to #5 Tennessee 85-42(!)... at home too, yikes (-12) 345. Louisville, 2-14, 0-5 ACC, lost to Wake 80-72 (+1) Others in striking distance: #147 Georgia Tech, #138 Stanford This is a tough job, but someone has to do it. No one has to do this, you say? Perhaps you're right... but as a fan, this is one of the few ways I can get myself through back to back historically bad Hoya seasons until Patrick Ewing is no longer the coach. South Carolina just beat Kentucky in Lexington, so while our ranking will go up, we’ll likely get jumped by the Gamecocks.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 11, 2023 12:58:03 GMT -5
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences in NET Rankings, coming out of the weekend (363 DI teams): 174. Notre Dame, 8-8, 0-5 ACC, lost @ UNC 81-64 (moved up 4 spots) 191. DePaul, 7-9, 1-4 Big East, lost @ Butler 78-70 (+5) 213. Boston College, 8-8, 2-3 ACC, lost to #24 Duke 65-64 (+4) 225. Oregon State, 6-9, 1-4 Pac-12, lost @ Colorado 62-42 (+1) 228. Florida State, 5-11, 3-2 ACC, beat GA Tech 75-64 (+16) 235. Minnesota, 6-8, 0-4 Big Ten, lost to Nebraska 81-79 (OT) (+2) 247. Georgetown, 5-12, 0-6 Big East, lost @ Marquette 95-73 (+1)251. California, 3-13, 2-2 Pac-12, beat Stanford 92-70 (+37) 264. South Carolina, 7-8, 0-2 SEC, lost to #5 Tennessee 85-42(!)... at home too, yikes (-12) 345. Louisville, 2-14, 0-5 ACC, lost to Wake 80-72 (+1) Others in striking distance: #147 Georgia Tech, #138 Stanford This is a tough job, but someone has to do it. No one has to do this, you say? Perhaps you're right... but as a fan, this is one of the few ways I can get myself through back to back historically bad Hoya seasons until Patrick Ewing is no longer the coach. South Carolina just beat Kentucky in Lexington, so while our ranking will go up, we’ll likely get jumped by the Gamecocks. Yep, South Carolina up to #242, we're down to #258, which means the only Power 6 team worse than us right now is Louisville at #344. It's a wide margin, but I wouldn't put it past us to fall below them by end of season. The Cardinals are at #54 Clemson tonight and host #32 North Carolina on Saturday. An unlikely win in either of those games would shoot them up quite a bit. I think even the losses should help their strength of schedule at least.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 17, 2023 16:49:40 GMT -5
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences in NET Rankings out of 363 DI teams, their most recent +/- in positioning, and their most recent results and upcoming games: 165. Notre Dame (-3), 9-9, 1-6 ACC, won vs Georgia Tech 73-72 (OT), lost @ Syracuse 78-73. Next: 1/17 vs. #227 Florida State 169. DePaul (+2), 8-10, 2-5 Big East, won vs Villanova 75-65, lost vs Seton Hall 71-67. Next: 1/18 vs #8 Xavier 213. Minnesota (-7), 7-9, 1-5 Big Ten, won @ Ohio State 70-67, lost vs Illinois 78-60. Next: 1/19 vs #3 Purdue 226. Boston College (0), 8-10, 2-5 ACC, lost @ #17 Miami 88-72, lost vs Wake 85-63. Next: 1/17 @ #33 UNC 227. Florida State (+1), 5-13, 3-4 ACC, lost @ Wake 90-75, lost vs. #10 UVA 67-58. Next: 1/17 @ #165 Notre Dame 229. Oregon State (+1), 6-11, 1-6 Pac-12, lost @ #11 Arizona 86-74, lost @ Arizona State 74-69. Next: 1/19 @ #151 Stanford (also 1/22 @ #249 Cal!) 249. California (0), 3-15, 2-5 Pac-12, lost 66-51 @ Wash St, lost 81-78 (OT) @ Wash. Next: 1/18 vs #68 Oregon (also 1/22 vs. #229 Oregon State!) 252. Georgetown (+3), 5-14, 0-8 Big East, lost 66-51 vs. Seton Hall, lost 77-73 @ Villanova. Next: 1/21 @ #8 Xavier (God help us) 270. South Carolina (+2), 8-9, 1-3 SEC, won @ Kentucky 71-68, lost vs. Texas A&M 94-53 (yikes). Next: 1/17 vs #109 Ole Miss 334. Louisville (+3), 2-16, 0-7 ACC, lost @ #19 Clemson 83-70, lost vs. North Carolina 80-59. Next: 1/18 vs #58 Pitt (Pitt also had been terrible since 2016 but are recently resurgent, so maybe there's some hope for us? Maybe?) Others in striking distance: #155 Georgia Tech, #152 Stanford Also, if, like me, you're a glutton for punishment about this stuff, check out twitter.com/SickosCBB#FireEwing
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Post by mapei on Jan 17, 2023 18:49:59 GMT -5
Weird that our NET is better than that of South Carolina, a team we lost to at home IIRC.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 17, 2023 18:58:21 GMT -5
Weird that our NET is better than that of South Carolina, a team we lost to at home IIRC. Agreed. I feel like their NET ranking should be better because of that, plus their record is better than ours and they have a conference win. That said, our Strength of Schedule is somehow better than theirs. They've also had a couple really bad losses of over 40 points, and I believe NET takes that into account.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 18, 2023 19:08:36 GMT -5
Weird that our NET is better than that of South Carolina, a team we lost to at home IIRC. Agreed. I feel like their NET ranking should be better because of that, plus their record is better than ours and they have a conference win. That said, our Strength of Schedule is somehow better than theirs. They've also had a couple really bad losses of over 40 points, and I believe NET takes that into account. Shouldn't Kentucky's win over Tennessee have a significant positive impact on South Carolina's ranking? I also don't understand how they are behind us.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 19, 2023 6:20:07 GMT -5
I don’t know the ins and outs of NET—it’s been kind of irrelevant to the Hoyas given our W-L record over the past few years—but I wonder when it factors in opponents’ record for SOS. What I mean by that (and this is a major pet peeve of mine) is that most RPI sites have traditionally computed SOS as the games were played, not adding an opponent’s record to the equation until the team played that opponent. This led to lots of discussion like “Team X is so bad that Team Y’s RPI took a hit by beating Team X!” I’ve always thought that was stupid—aside from exempt tournaments and conference tournaments (which make up a small portion of the schedule) a team’s list of opponents is set at the beginning of the year. Sites that track RPI should use the full opponents’ records—including those that haven’t been played yet—to compute SOS. That would result in fewer big jumps and falls after a single game and eliminate the “beating Team X was actually bad for our RPI discourse.” Team X’s garbage record would already be baked into the SOS number.
So what was the point of this tangent? I don’t know which method the NET uses, but it’s possible that it factors in SOS in a way that individual games don’t cause it to fluctuate greatly in real time. Our schedule might be “better” than South Carolina’s based because it’s backloaded with good BE teams that will throttle us, dropping our overall NET but not improving our SOS because they’re already in our SOS.
Addendum: my beef with the real-time RPI sites that don’t compute the full SOS in advance is that nobody really uses (or ever used) RPI to judge how good a team actually is. We all were interested because we knew the NCAA used it. So the value of those sites should have been in predicting where teams would wind up ranked, not “if the season ended today” hypotheticals. For something like KenPom, on the other hand, that is supposed to tell you how good a team actually is, it makes sense to use only games already played—plus the use of margin of victory compensates for the bad-win-hurting-computer-ranking phenomenon.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 20, 2023 13:20:23 GMT -5
I don’t know the ins and outs of NET—it’s been kind of irrelevant to the Hoyas given our W-L record over the past few years—but I wonder when it factors in opponents’ record for SOS. What I mean by that (and this is a major pet peeve of mine) is that most RPI sites have traditionally computed SOS as the games were played, not adding an opponent’s record to the equation until the team played that opponent. This led to lots of discussion like “Team X is so bad that Team Y’s RPI took a hit by beating Team X!” I’ve always thought that was stupid—aside from exempt tournaments and conference tournaments (which make up a small portion of the schedule) a team’s list of opponents is set at the beginning of the year. Sites that track RPI should use the full opponents’ records—including those that haven’t been played yet—to compute SOS. That would result in fewer big jumps and falls after a single game and eliminate the “beating Team X was actually bad for our RPI discourse.” Team X’s garbage record would already be baked into the SOS number. So what was the point of this tangent? I don’t know which method the NET uses, but it’s possible that it factors in SOS in a way that individual games don’t cause it to fluctuate greatly in real time. Our schedule might be “better” than South Carolina’s based because it’s backloaded with good BE teams that will throttle us, dropping our overall NET but not improving our SOS because they’re already in our SOS. Addendum: my beef with the real-time RPI sites that don’t compute the full SOS in advance is that nobody really uses (or ever used) RPI to judge how good a team actually is. We all were interested because we knew the NCAA used it. So the value of those sites should have been in predicting where teams would wind up ranked, not “if the season ended today” hypotheticals. For something like KenPom, on the other hand, that is supposed to tell you how good a team actually is, it makes sense to use only games already played—plus the use of margin of victory compensates for the bad-win-hurting-computer-ranking phenomenon. Some interesting points, and we could probably debate its merits on a separate thread, but basically I chose NET for this because that's what the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee uses these days to judge teams. Not that any of these teams have to worry about that at all. A few interesting results in the Bottom 10 the past few days, but will save update for after the weekend. In the meantime, here's hoping we don't lose to an angry Xavier team at their place by more than 30. Or maybe I hope we do?
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 24, 2023 2:28:33 GMT -5
TONIGHT IS OUR SUPER BOWL. A loss would likely plunge us to South Carolina / Cal territory.
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences, NET Rankings, last result & next game:
179. Georgia Tech (newcomer!), 7-11, 1-8 ACC, lost vs. #101 Syracuse 80-63. Next 1/24 @ #59 Clemson 187. Florida State, 7-13, 5-4(!) ACC, won @ #65 Pitt 71-64 (2-game winning streak!). Next: 1/24 vs. #46 Miami 193. Notre Dame, 9-11, 1-8 ACC, lost vs. #198 Boston College. Next: 1/24 @ #36 NC State 198. Boston College, 9-11, 3-6 ACC, won @ #193 Notre Dame 84-72. Next: 1/25 @ #334 Louisville (!) 214. Oregon State, 7-12, 2-7 Pac-12, won @ #290 Cal 68-48 (last week's Super Bowl). Next: 1/26 vs. #47 Utah 216. Mineesota, 7-11, 1-7 Big Ten, lost @ #77 Michigan 60-56. Next: 1/25 vs. #19 Indiana 248. Georgetown, 5-15, 0-9 Big East, lost @ #25 Xavier 95-82. Next: 1/24 vs. #152 DePaul (GAME OF THE CENTURY) 279. South Carolina, 8-11, 1-5 SEC, lost vs. #23 Auburn 81-66. Next: 1/25 @ #44 Florida 290. California, 3-17, 2-7 Pac-12, lost vs. #214 Oregon State 68-48 (yikes). Next: 1/28 @ #125 Stanford 334. Louisville, 2-17, 0-8 ACC, lost vs. #65 Pitt 75-54. Next: 1/25 @ #198 BC (then @ #193 Notre Dame, vs. #179 Georgia Tech, vs. #187 Florida State... gotta think they have a chance to pick up a win in 1 of the next 4, if not then God help them)
Others in striking distance: #152 DePaul, #125 Stanford, #117 Washington
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 31, 2023 13:45:14 GMT -5
Post DePaul win and St. John's loss... Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences, NET Rankings, last result & next game:
185. Notre Dame, 10-12, 2-9 ACC, won vs. #336 Louisville 76-62. Next: 2/4 vs. #72 Wake Forest 194. Boston College, 10-12, 4-7 ACC, lost @ #14 UVA 76-57. Next: 1/31 vs. #60 Clemson 201. Florida State, 7-15, 5-6 ACC, lost vs. #60 Clemson 82-81. Next: 2/1 @ #39 NC State 214. Oregon State, 8-13, 3-8 Pac-12, won vs. #70 Colorado 60-52. Next: 2/2 @ #64 Arizona State 216. Minnesota, 7-13, 1-9 Big Ten, lost @ #40 Northwestern 81-61. Next: 2/1 @ #22 Rutgers 218. Georgia Tech 7-13, 1-10 ACC, lost @ #23 Duke 86-43 (yikes). Next: 2/1 @ #336 Louisville (GAME OF THE WEAK!) 248. Georgetown, 6-16, 1-10 Big East, lost @ #88 St. John's 75-73. Next: 2/1 vs. #18 Creighton, also 2/4 vs. #7 UConn (God help us) 273. South Carolina, 8-13, 1-7 SEC, lost @ #11 Georgia 81-78 (OT). Next: 1/31 vs. #54 Mississippi State 296. California, 3-18, 2-8 Pac-12, lost @ #121 Stanford 75-46 (yikes). Next: 2/2 @ #70 Colorado 336. Louisville, 2-19, 0-10 ACC, lost @ #185 Notre Dame 76-62. Next: 2/1 vs. #218 Georgia Tech (LOUISVILLE'S SUPER BOWL I!), also 2/4 vs. #201 Florida State (LOUISVILLE'S SUPER BOWL II!)
Others within striking distance: #163 DePaul, #125 Washington, #121 Stanford
Does anyone have a better idea why Louisville is so historically bad? I understand there's been NCAA trouble, the scandal ridden departures of Rick Pitino and Chris Mack, and massive attrition from last year's 13-19, 6-14 ACC squad: 11 departures, including 6 transfers, compared to our 11 and 8 (though now 10 with Malcom Wilson's readdition to the roster). It's Kenny Payne's 1st season of a 6-year contract, he's a former New York Knicks and Kentucky assistant as well as a member of Louisville's 1986 National Championship team... but is it possible he's already on the hot seat in Year 1? Is there any hope, recruiting or otherwise, on the horizon? I imagine Louisville's fans may have expected things to get worse before they get better... but not this historically worse.
Also, after a nice 3-4 stretch that followed an 0-12 start, Cal has now lost 5 straight, including back to back blowouts to Oregon State and Stanford, who are both are either in or flirting with the Bottom 10. Have to imagine 4th year coach Mark Fox will be shown the door soon.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 31, 2023 14:40:23 GMT -5
Does anyone have a better idea why Louisville is so historically bad? I understand there's been NCAA trouble, the scandal ridden departures of Rick Pitino and Chris Mack, and massive attrition from last year's 13-19, 6-14 ACC squad: 11 departures, including 6 transfers, compared to our 11 and 8 (though now 10 with Malcom Wilson's readdition to the roster). It's Kenny Payne's 1st season of a 6-year contract, he's a former New York Knicks and Kentucky assistant as well as a member of Louisville's 1986 National Championship team... but is it possible he's already on the hot seat in Year 1? Is there any hope, recruiting or otherwise, on the horizon? I imagine Louisville's fans may have expected things to get worse before they get better... but not this historically worse. I would love to hear from someone who knows Louisville too. As of today, Georgetown is ranked 218, up a bit from the past, but still bad enough to be one of the worst high majors and worst Big East teams ever. But Louisville makes that look good in comparison. Louisville is ranked 300. They are 312 on offense, and 257 on defense. I have no idea why, but that's so bad it makes me think either Payne is a horrible coach or there is some sort of rancor or discord causing the problem. To put it in perspective, Pitino's final full season at Louisville had them ranked 9th. In 2018, Padgett coached them to 38th. Mack then took over, and the team was ranked 23, and then 9. So after two years of Mack, it was looking good. Then the troubles began. In 2021, Mack's Louisville team was ranked 59, then last year's was 127 (by far Mack's worse year ever, though to be fair he got dismissed in January so mid-season). Really bad for Louisville historically, but nothing compared to the 300 that Kenny Payne has this year. If I recall, Louisville has one of the biggest, if not biggest basketball budget in the nation. It's hard to see why they are so bad, unless the Mack thing really through them off. But, still, 300? A good comparison is Pittsburgh, which has struggled mightily after Dixon's departure. The worst they have been since then was 227, and Cappel's teams have been bad, but his worst has been 195. It just makes the Louisville 300 ranking hard to fathom. But they must be awful. I did do a small amount of digging into Mack's tenure at Louisville, and frankly, the stuff that went on u nder him at Louisville is more concerning to me than Pitino: It also sounds like Mack simply couldn't get through to his team, either, and the atmosphere became toxic. Another potential red flag. I have been clear I want Pitino next year, but I would still give Mack a look, as I don't feel like I know enough about what happened at Lousiville. I'd just be hesitant to let one to two bad years at Louisville override the rest of his solid career. But, give me Pitino or Cooley first.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 31, 2023 14:57:43 GMT -5
Does anyone have a better idea why Louisville is so historically bad? I understand there's been NCAA trouble, the scandal ridden departures of Rick Pitino and Chris Mack, and massive attrition from last year's 13-19, 6-14 ACC squad: 11 departures, including 6 transfers, compared to our 11 and 8 (though now 10 with Malcom Wilson's readdition to the roster). It's Kenny Payne's 1st season of a 6-year contract, he's a former New York Knicks and Kentucky assistant as well as a member of Louisville's 1986 National Championship team... but is it possible he's already on the hot seat in Year 1? Is there any hope, recruiting or otherwise, on the horizon? I imagine Louisville's fans may have expected things to get worse before they get better... but not this historically worse. I would love to hear from someone who knows Louisville too. As of today, Georgetown is ranked 218, up a bit from the past, but still bad enough to be one of the worst high majors and worst Big East teams ever. But Louisville makes that look good in comparison. Louisville is ranked 300. They are 312 on offense, and 257 on defense. I have no idea why, but that's so bad it makes me think either Payne is a horrible coach or there is some sort of rancor or discord causing the problem. To put it in perspective, Pitino's final full season at Louisville had them ranked 9th. In 2018, Padgett coached them to 38th. Mack then took over, and the team was ranked 23, and then 9. So after two years of Mack, it was looking good. Then the troubles began. In 2021, Mack's Louisville team was ranked 127. Really bad for Louisville historically, but nothing compared to the 300 that Kenny Payne has this year. If I recall, Louisville has one of the biggest, if not biggest basketball budget in the nation. It's hard to see why they are so bad. Yeah it's kinda crazy how bad they are. I kinda hope they get a win or 2 this week. I wonder if their administration and supporters see this as a one-year blip or a troubling sign for years to come. That said, while L'ville fans would probably disagree and call this pitiful, I'm kinda impressed that their average attendance is still over 12K in their newish 22K arena. I guess Louisville basketball still runs deep, they are essentially the pro basketball team in town, as terrible as they currently are. But if there are a few years of even close to this performance, I expect average to dip into the high 4 figures, with the risk of it eventually plunging worse. On the other hand, Cal's home attendance figures this year may be even worse than ours, or at the very least comparable. Perhaps more on that in a future post.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 31, 2023 15:29:23 GMT -5
I would love to hear from someone who knows Louisville too. As of today, Georgetown is ranked 218, up a bit from the past, but still bad enough to be one of the worst high majors and worst Big East teams ever. But Louisville makes that look good in comparison. Louisville is ranked 300. They are 312 on offense, and 257 on defense. I have no idea why, but that's so bad it makes me think either Payne is a horrible coach or there is some sort of rancor or discord causing the problem. To put it in perspective, Pitino's final full season at Louisville had them ranked 9th. In 2018, Padgett coached them to 38th. Mack then took over, and the team was ranked 23, and then 9. So after two years of Mack, it was looking good. Then the troubles began. In 2021, Mack's Louisville team was ranked 127. Really bad for Louisville historically, but nothing compared to the 300 that Kenny Payne has this year. If I recall, Louisville has one of the biggest, if not biggest basketball budget in the nation. It's hard to see why they are so bad. Yeah it's kinda crazy how bad they are. I kinda hope they get a win or 2 this week. I wonder if their administration and supporters see this as a one-year blip or a troubling sign for years to come. That said, while L'ville fans would probably disagree and call this pitiful, I'm kinda impressed that their average attendance is still over 12K in their newish 22K arena. I guess Louisville basketball still runs deep, they are essentially the pro basketball team in town, as terrible as they currently are. But if there are a few years of even close to this performance, I expect average to dip into the high 4 figures, with the risk of it eventually plunging worse. On the other hand, Cal's home attendance figures this year may be even worse than ours, or at the very least comparable. Perhaps more on that in a future post. I watched Louisville down the stretch last week against a bad Boston College team (in a completely empty Conte Forum or whatever that place is called). Payne was clueless down the stretch, Louisville turned the ball over a bunch and took terrible shots. There's no way he should be back next year, Louisville has higher standards than Georgetown and my guess is the Cardinals' boosters won't allow this mess to continue.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 2, 2023 2:10:10 GMT -5
UPDATE... Louisville has won a game!68-58 W over Georgia Tech at home. Snaps a 10-game losing streak which started on December 20 with a loss to Lipscomb. The Cards improve to 3-19, 1-10 in ACC, inching out of the ACC cellar spot now owned by Georgia Tech at 1-11. Haven't seen updated NET rankings yet, so will be interesting how far Louisville shoots up (and how far Georgia Tech plunges). Hoyas, Golden Bears, and Gamecocks should be cowering in fear... Louisville is coming for us. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401488468(EDIT: Louisville's NET has risen 8 spots to 329, while Georgia Tech has dropped 13 spots to 231.)
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 24, 2023 13:51:48 GMT -5
Apologies for the delay, I know many (read: none) of you have been waiting for the next installment of Misery Loves Company 2022-23. With 2 Hoya regular season games left, here are the updated Bottom 10 in NET rankings from Power Six Conferences, with last result & next game: 172. DePaul, 9-19, 3-14 Big East, lost 59-58 vs. #120 Butler. Next: 2/25 @ #13 Marquette 194. Notre Dame, 10-18, 2-15 ACC, lost vs. #47 North Carolina 63-59. Next: 2/25 @ #80 Wake Forest 207. Georgia Tech 9-17, 3-14 ACC, lost @ #55 Pitt 76-68. Next: 2/25 vs. #302 Louisville (Game of the Weak!) 215. Oregon State, 9-18, 4-13 Pac-12, lost @ #112 Washington 61-47. Next: 2/25 vs. #50 Oregon 220. Georgetown, 7-22, 2-16 Big East, lost vs. #97 St. John's 79-70. Next: 2/25 vs. #40 Providence224. Florida State, 8-20, 6-11 ACC, lost vs. #167 Boston College. Next: 2/25 @ #27 Miami 228. South Carolina, 10-18, 3-12 SEC, lost vs. #2 Alabama 78-76 (OT). Next: 2/25 @ #4 Tennessee 237. Minnesota, 7-19, 1-15 Big Ten, lost @ #23 Maryland 88-70. Next: 2/25 @ #88 Nebraska 301. California, 3-25, 2-15 Pac-12, lost vs. #112 Washington 65-56. Next: 2/25 vs. #73 Washington St 302. Louisville, 4-24, 2-15 ACC. Lost @ #29 Duke 79-62 (also beat #76 Clemson 83-73 on 2/18). Next: 2/25 @ #207 Georgia Tech (Game of the Weak!) Others deserving consideration: #167 BC, #155 LSU, #138 Georgia, #120 Butler, #112 Washington, #110 Stanford, #106 Syracuse A few thoughts: 1. Louisville vs. California for best bottom (!) down the stretch will be INTENSE. 2. For those of you hoping for a Hoya win over a likely NCAA bound team in the coming week, here are some recent glimmer examples of a bottom team making this happen: 2/11: #110 Stanford beat #11 Arizona 88-79 (resulting in one of the lamest court stormings I've ever seen... but then again who are we to talk?) 2/11: #215 Oregon St beat #49 USC 61-58 2/22: #167 Boston College beat #21 Virginia 63-48 3. The Big 12 is incredibly strong. Not a single team sniffing the Bottom 10, every team in NCAA Tournament consideration. Even cellar dweller #77 Oklahoma has an outside chance despite being 3-12 in conference. Right now likely 8 bids out of 10 teams. Even with upcoming realignment, if this year's NET rankings are any indication, they will stay strong. Lose #9 Texas and #77 Oklahoma, but gain #1 Houston, #74 UCF, #79 Cincinnati, and #94 BYU. A slight downgrade with the bottom teams, but pretty close to a wash overall. Very impressive.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2023 8:36:19 GMT -5
"For a particular beleaguered, has-been college basketball power, February 2023 was a no-good, very bad month...A rare...victory mid-month was followed by losses of 22, 18, 17, and 20 points to cement a losing in-conference record. The program’s starters are currently upset or the subject of transfer chatter. The team’s offense is one-dimensional, its defense is completely uncompetitive, and its aforementioned head coach is the subject of continuous replacement discussion that has intensified by the game. This is not a description of 4-26 Louisville or 7-23 Georgetown. It is, of course, referencing a limping Syracuse squad that needs to take a good, long look in the mirror." orangefizz.net/2023/03/syracuse-hoops-must-change-to-survive-or-else/
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