CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 12, 2022 13:45:38 GMT -5
According to our Warren Nolan team page, we're 5-6 with a NET of 240 after what I'll generously describe as a pedestrian non-conference schedule. We haven't even played a single Quadrant 1 game, and all 5 of our wins are Quadrant 4. Our best win at this point seems to be a single-digit win over UMBC, who own a NET of 215. We're predicted to lose all 20 of our Big East games, which would put us at a 40-game Big East losing streak, and the closest we'll supposedly get to a win is losing at 5 at home to DePaul. Yet, as crazy as it might sound, things could be worse. In major college basketball, Cal and Louisville are the two worst teams by a long shot. Louisville is 0-9, 360 NET out of 363 teams, with losses to schools like Bellarmine, Wright State, and App State. They're in a different situation though, with a new coach that they seem willing to give some time to work it out. With that said, and also because I live in the Bay Area and have a friend who is a big Cal basketball fan, let's focus on the Golden Bears. Cal is 0-11 with a 349 NET after suffering an 82-58 home loss to Butler which only drew about 2,000 fans in their 12,000-seat on-campus arena on a Saturday night. They've also lost to teams like UC Davis, UC San Diego, Southern, Texas State, and Eastern Washington, with some of those games drawing in the 1K range. Head Coach Mark Fox is in his 4th year after a mixed but decent 14-year track record at Nevada and Georgia. Have to imagine he's on the hot seat now. Like Georgetown, Cal had a decent track record overall from 2008 to 2017, making 5 NCAA Tournaments (only winning 2 games) and 4 NITs in 10 years under Mike Montgomery and then Cuonzo Martin. The only year they missed the postseason entirely was in 2015. Their last NCAA appearance was in 2016, when as a 4-seed with future NBA star Jaylen Brown and future NBA bust Ivan Rabb on the team, they were upset by Hawaii in the first round. Unfortunately, I see a lot of similarities between the Cal and Georgetown programs at this point. While paling in comparison to Georgetown, Cal does possess a decent basketball history with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson. I hope both teams make the changes they need to make, but sadly, I might have more confidence in Cal to do the right thing, no matter how bad and embarrassing it gets for them this season, because they've at least shown a willingness to change in recent years and decades. For us, I see our Big East win ceiling at 4 this season (might be generous), and I could definitely see us starting next season 1-10 or 0-11 if we don't make changes. Anyways, just another terrible major conference team to keep an eye on that is in a similar situation to us. And with that, I'll stop slitting my wrists.
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Post by 1427hoya on Dec 12, 2022 13:51:27 GMT -5
According to our Warren Nolan team page, we're 5-6 with a NET of 240 after what I'll generously describe as a pedestrian non-conference schedule. We haven't even played a single Quadrant 1 game, and all 5 of our wins are Quadrant 4. Our best win at this point seems to be a single-digit win over UMBC, who own a NET of 215. We're predicted to lose all 20 of our Big East games, which would put us at a 40-game Big East losing streak, and the closest we'll supposedly get to a win is losing at 5 at home to DePaul. Yet, as crazy as it might sound, things could be worse. In major college basketball, Cal and Louisville are the two worst teams by a long shot. Louisville is 0-9, 360 NET out of 363 teams, with losses to schools like Bellarmine, Wright State, and App State. They're in a different situation though, with a new coach that they seem willing to give some time to work it out. With that said, and because I live in the Bay Area and have a friend who is a big Cal basketball fan, let's focus on the Golden Bears. Cal is 0-11 with a 349 NET after suffering an 82-58 home loss to Butler which only drew about 2,000 fans in their 12,000-seat on-campus arena on a Saturday night. They've also lost to teams like UC Davis, UC San Diego, Southern, Texas State, and Eastern Washington, with some of those games drawing in the 1K range. Head Coach Mark Fox is in his 4th year after a mixed but decent 14-year track record at Nevada and Georgia. Have to imagine he's on the hot seat now. Like Georgetown, Cal had a decent track record overall from 2008 to 2017, making 5 NCAA Tournaments (only winning 2 games) and 4 NITs in 10 years under Mike Montgomery and then Cuonzo Martin. The only year they missed the postseason entirely was in 2015. Their last NCAA appearance was in 2016, when as a 4-seed with future NBA star Jaylen Brown and future NBA bust Ivan Rabb on the team, they were upset by Hawaii in the first round. Unfortunately, I see a lot of similarities between the Cal and Georgetown programs at this point. While paling in comparison to Georgetown, Cal does possess a decent basketball history with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson. I hope both teams make the changes they need to make, but sadly, I might have more confidence in Cal to do the right thing, no matter how bad and embarrassing it gets for them this season, because they've at least shown a willingness to change in recent years and decades. For us, I see our Big East win ceiling at 4 this season (might be generous), and I could definitely see us starting next season 1-10 or 0-11 if we don't make changes. Anyways, just another terrible major conference team to keep an eye on that is in a similar situation to us. And with that, I'll stop slitting my wrists. The crux of your whole argument is that Cal is probably going to fix it. What makes Georgetown the worst team from a major conference isn't just that they suck, but that they don't care about fixing it. There will always be a lot of bad teams, but Georgetown's complacency with sucking, its playing a lot of money to suck, and its operations under a cloak of secrecy make it on an entirely different level.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 12, 2022 14:15:45 GMT -5
According to our Warren Nolan team page, we're 5-6 with a NET of 240 after what I'll generously describe as a pedestrian non-conference schedule. We haven't even played a single Quadrant 1 game, and all 5 of our wins are Quadrant 4. Our best win at this point seems to be a single-digit win over UMBC, who own a NET of 215. We're predicted to lose all 20 of our Big East games, which would put us at a 40-game Big East losing streak, and the closest we'll supposedly get to a win is losing at 5 at home to DePaul. Yet, as crazy as it might sound, things could be worse. In major college basketball, Cal and Louisville are the two worst teams by a long shot. Louisville is 0-9, 360 NET out of 363 teams, with losses to schools like Bellarmine, Wright State, and App State. They're in a different situation though, with a new coach that they seem willing to give some time to work it out. With that said, and because I live in the Bay Area and have a friend who is a big Cal basketball fan, let's focus on the Golden Bears. Cal is 0-11 with a 349 NET after suffering an 82-58 home loss to Butler which only drew about 2,000 fans in their 12,000-seat on-campus arena on a Saturday night. They've also lost to teams like UC Davis, UC San Diego, Southern, Texas State, and Eastern Washington, with some of those games drawing in the 1K range. Head Coach Mark Fox is in his 4th year after a mixed but decent 14-year track record at Nevada and Georgia. Have to imagine he's on the hot seat now. Like Georgetown, Cal had a decent track record overall from 2008 to 2017, making 5 NCAA Tournaments (only winning 2 games) and 4 NITs in 10 years under Mike Montgomery and then Cuonzo Martin. The only year they missed the postseason entirely was in 2015. Their last NCAA appearance was in 2016, when as a 4-seed with future NBA star Jaylen Brown and future NBA bust Ivan Rabb on the team, they were upset by Hawaii in the first round. Unfortunately, I see a lot of similarities between the Cal and Georgetown programs at this point. While paling in comparison to Georgetown, Cal does possess a decent basketball history with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson. I hope both teams make the changes they need to make, but sadly, I might have more confidence in Cal to do the right thing, no matter how bad and embarrassing it gets for them this season, because they've at least shown a willingness to change in recent years and decades. For us, I see our Big East win ceiling at 4 this season (might be generous), and I could definitely see us starting next season 1-10 or 0-11 if we don't make changes. Anyways, just another terrible major conference team to keep an eye on that is in a similar situation to us. And with that, I'll stop slitting my wrists. The crux of your whole argument is that Cal is probably going to fix it. What makes Georgetown the worst team from a major conference isn't just that they suck, but that they don't care about fixing it. There will always be a lot of bad teams, but Georgetown's complacency with sucking, its playing a lot of money to suck, and its operations under a cloak of secrecy make it on an entirely different level. Which makes those of us still here gluttons for punishment.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 12, 2022 15:41:13 GMT -5
The crux of your whole argument is that Cal is probably going to fix it. What makes Georgetown the worst team from a major conference isn't just that they suck, but that they don't care about fixing it. There will always be a lot of bad teams, but Georgetown's complacency with sucking, its playing a lot of money to suck, and its operations under a cloak of secrecy make it on an entirely different level. Which makes those of us still here gluttons for punishment. Yup I’m currently looking at grad school and hope the next school I go to actually doesn’t enjoy wasting millions on being bad so maybe I could actually watch some good, even if mid major, basketball. Hoping that will free me from this prison of fandom that the program doesn’t care about. But absolutely will support if they get it together and will watch soccer whenever I can cuz it’s the future!
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 12, 2022 15:55:55 GMT -5
According to our Warren Nolan team page, we're 5-6 with a NET of 240 after what I'll generously describe as a pedestrian non-conference schedule. We haven't even played a single Quadrant 1 game, and all 5 of our wins are Quadrant 4. Our best win at this point seems to be a single-digit win over UMBC, who own a NET of 215. We're predicted to lose all 20 of our Big East games, which would put us at a 40-game Big East losing streak, and the closest we'll supposedly get to a win is losing at 5 at home to DePaul. Yet, as crazy as it might sound, things could be worse. In major college basketball, Cal and Louisville are the two worst teams by a long shot. Louisville is 0-9, 360 NET out of 363 teams, with losses to schools like Bellarmine, Wright State, and App State. They're in a different situation though, with a new coach that they seem willing to give some time to work it out. With that said, and also because I live in the Bay Area and have a friend who is a big Cal basketball fan, let's focus on the Golden Bears. Cal is 0-11 with a 349 NET after suffering an 82-58 home loss to Butler which only drew about 2,000 fans in their 12,000-seat on-campus arena on a Saturday night. They've also lost to teams like UC Davis, UC San Diego, Southern, Texas State, and Eastern Washington, with some of those games drawing in the 1K range. Head Coach Mark Fox is in his 4th year after a mixed but decent 14-year track record at Nevada and Georgia. Have to imagine he's on the hot seat now. Like Georgetown, Cal had a decent track record overall from 2008 to 2017, making 5 NCAA Tournaments (only winning 2 games) and 4 NITs in 10 years under Mike Montgomery and then Cuonzo Martin. The only year they missed the postseason entirely was in 2015. Their last NCAA appearance was in 2016, when as a 4-seed with future NBA star Jaylen Brown and future NBA bust Ivan Rabb on the team, they were upset by Hawaii in the first round. Unfortunately, I see a lot of similarities between the Cal and Georgetown programs at this point. While paling in comparison to Georgetown, Cal does possess a decent basketball history with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson. I hope both teams make the changes they need to make, but sadly, I might have more confidence in Cal to do the right thing, no matter how bad and embarrassing it gets for them this season, because they've at least shown a willingness to change in recent years and decades. For us, I see our Big East win ceiling at 4 this season (might be generous), and I could definitely see us starting next season 1-10 or 0-11 if we don't make changes. Anyways, just another terrible major conference team to keep an eye on that is in a similar situation to us. And with that, I'll stop slitting my wrists. Please stop slitting your wrists it’s just college basketball. Hopefully, our players will get better in Big East games.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 12, 2022 16:20:03 GMT -5
Which makes those of us still here gluttons for punishment. Yup I’m currently looking at grad school and hope the next school I go to actually doesn’t enjoy wasting millions on being bad so maybe I could actually watch some good, even if mid major, basketball. Hoping that will free me from this prison of fandom that the program doesn’t care about. But absolutely will support if they get it together and will watch soccer whenever I can cuz it’s the future! I’m headed to UVA for fellowship this summer and am hoping their success continues so I can watch some games at JPJ next season. I can’t stomach watching the Hoyas live these days.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 12, 2022 20:38:45 GMT -5
According to our Warren Nolan team page, we're 5-6 with a NET of 240 after what I'll generously describe as a pedestrian non-conference schedule. We haven't even played a single Quadrant 1 game, and all 5 of our wins are Quadrant 4. Our best win at this point seems to be a single-digit win over UMBC, who own a NET of 215. We're predicted to lose all 20 of our Big East games, which would put us at a 40-game Big East losing streak, and the closest we'll supposedly get to a win is losing at 5 at home to DePaul. Yet, as crazy as it might sound, things could be worse. In major college basketball, Cal and Louisville are the two worst teams by a long shot. Louisville is 0-9, 360 NET out of 363 teams, with losses to schools like Bellarmine, Wright State, and App State. They're in a different situation though, with a new coach that they seem willing to give some time to work it out. With that said, and also because I live in the Bay Area and have a friend who is a big Cal basketball fan, let's focus on the Golden Bears. Cal is 0-11 with a 349 NET after suffering an 82-58 home loss to Butler which only drew about 2,000 fans in their 12,000-seat on-campus arena on a Saturday night. They've also lost to teams like UC Davis, UC San Diego, Southern, Texas State, and Eastern Washington, with some of those games drawing in the 1K range. Head Coach Mark Fox is in his 4th year after a mixed but decent 14-year track record at Nevada and Georgia. Have to imagine he's on the hot seat now. Like Georgetown, Cal had a decent track record overall from 2008 to 2017, making 5 NCAA Tournaments (only winning 2 games) and 4 NITs in 10 years under Mike Montgomery and then Cuonzo Martin. The only year they missed the postseason entirely was in 2015. Their last NCAA appearance was in 2016, when as a 4-seed with future NBA star Jaylen Brown and future NBA bust Ivan Rabb on the team, they were upset by Hawaii in the first round. Unfortunately, I see a lot of similarities between the Cal and Georgetown programs at this point. While paling in comparison to Georgetown, Cal does possess a decent basketball history with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson. I hope both teams make the changes they need to make, but sadly, I might have more confidence in Cal to do the right thing, no matter how bad and embarrassing it gets for them this season, because they've at least shown a willingness to change in recent years and decades. For us, I see our Big East win ceiling at 4 this season (might be generous), and I could definitely see us starting next season 1-10 or 0-11 if we don't make changes. Anyways, just another terrible major conference team to keep an eye on that is in a similar situation to us. And with that, I'll stop slitting my wrists. Please stop slitting your wrists it’s just college basketball. Hopefully, our players will get better in Big East games. Given the level of improvement shown during the OOC schedule (none) and Ewing's stellar use of his reserves (none), what basis is there to even hope that the team will improve?
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 12, 2022 20:46:47 GMT -5
Monmouth (1-9) is giving 'Cuse a tougher game than the Hoyas. 'Cuse up 42-40 at the half.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 12, 2022 20:57:00 GMT -5
Monmouth (1-9) is giving 'Cuse a tougher game than the Hoyas. 'Cuse up 42-40 at the half. That may be because Monmouth is better than we are.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 12, 2022 22:36:17 GMT -5
Monmouth (1-9) is giving 'Cuse a tougher game than the Hoyas. 'Cuse up 42-40 at the half. Syracuse is not good.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2022 22:41:57 GMT -5
Monmouth (1-9) is giving 'Cuse a tougher game than the Hoyas. 'Cuse up 42-40 at the half. Syracuse is not good. Cuse won by 15
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 12, 2022 22:49:08 GMT -5
Please stop slitting your wrists it’s just college basketball. Hopefully, our players will get better in Big East games. Given the level of improvement shown during the OOC schedule (none) and Ewing's stellar use of his reserves (none), what basis is there to even hope that the team will improve? I would like to see Ewing give the reserves more minutes. That being said the team as a unit will definitely need to defend better and make 3pt shots to have a chance in the BE games.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 13, 2022 7:29:36 GMT -5
Cuse won by 19 over the Hoyas, so Monmouth is 4 points better than the Hoyas? 🤔
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 15, 2022 12:27:07 GMT -5
Louisville wins their first game of the season last night, 94-83 over Western Kentucky, improving to 1-9.
Will be interesting to track them and Cal through conference play. Hopefully we can avoid plummeting below them for the dubious title of worst team from a Power 6 conference.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 3, 2023 12:07:09 GMT -5
All right, with all the justified doom and gloom surrounding the program, as our Big East losing streak gets closer to 30, here's a reminder that we aren't alone.
Bottom 6 Teams in NET rankings from Power 6 Conferences:
240. Florida State, 4-11, 2-2 ACC 241. Georgetown, 5-10, 0-4 Big East 243. Minnesota, 6-6, 0-2 Big Ten 261. South Carolina (ugh), 7-6, 0-0 SEC 299. Cal, 2-13, 1-3 Pac-12 349. Louisville, 2-12, 0-3 ACC
At this point, it's easy to see us plummeting below Minnesota and South Carolina shortly. Can definitely see us falling behind Cal and Louisville by end of season too.
On a separate note, for the first time in 19 seasons (including the past 12 seasons living on the West Coast), I'm voluntarily choosing not to attend a Georgetown men's basketball game in person. And for the first year in the 15 years since I graduated, I did not donate to the Athletic Department (or the University as a whole, since I find DeGioia culpable too) in 2022. I will not again until the team improves, or the coaching staff is let go (and we all know the former is next to impossible at this point). And this is coming one of your most hardcore fans, 7-year season ticketholder, and game watch organizer in San Francisco.
I'd love to plan a trip to attend a Hoyas game in DC with my daughter at some point. She's turning 1 in less than 2 weeks. But now is not the time. And I'm honestly not sure when will.
I missed my 15 year reunion this year. I'm not particularly excited at this point to attend my 20th. Maybe I will attend my 25th, for the sole purpose of taking over The Tombs, my former place of employment, for one night. But maybe not.
I also used to be the president of the Georgetown Club of Northern California. I remember meeting Paul Pelosi at an event here once. Now, I may not even attend John Carroll Awards Weekend in San Francisco this coming April. I've been twice, including in SF about a decade ago. I was so excited to attend then. Right now, I am not.
I am sad. But at least others are sad too?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 3, 2023 12:17:56 GMT -5
It is amazing that FSU is that bad, given that they were pretty good not long ago and have strong coaching.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 3, 2023 13:55:04 GMT -5
It is amazing that FSU is that bad, given that they were pretty good not long ago and have strong coaching. Yeah that surprised me too. They were 4 points short of making the Final Four in 2018, and made Sweet 16 in 2019 and 2021. Last season they went 17-14 and 10-10 in ACC, but weren't invited to any postseason play. Leonard Hamilton is in his 21st season at the helm. Not sure exactly what caused them to go 2-9 in non-conference, losing early to pretty awful teams like Stetson and Troy. They seemed to put up a fight with #1 Purdue at home in late November, losing 79-69 at home. They only lost by 5 to #11 UVA in early December on the road. They're 2-2 in ACC, beating Notre Dame by 1 and blowing out the aforementioned awful L'ville (we can't even blow out UMBC or La Salle). Wonder if they'll turn it around over the course of ACC play. Oregon State is another interesting case, and currently knocking on the door of this year's Bottom Six from Power Six. After coming within 6 points of making the Final Four in their surprising 2021 Elite Eight run, they went 3-28 and 1-19 in Pac-12 play in 2022. They're now 6-7 and 1-2 in Pac-12 so far this season, with a NET of 221. Maybe I'll write more about them in a future post, especially since their miraculous 2021 Pac-12 Tournament title coincided with our Big East title run. Wayne Tinkle is in his 9th year there. L'ville and South Carolina have new coaches so they'll be given some time. Cal's coach Mark Fox, previously of Nevada and Georgia, is in his 3rd season. They did just beat a halfway decent Colorado team for their first Pac-12 win. That said, I'd imagine he's on the hot seat too, especially since they fired their previous coach, Wkying Jones, after only 2 seasons when he went 16-47. If Cal doesn't make some strides and win more Pac-12 games, I'd imagine he's gone by end of season too. If only we could be so lucky...
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Post by McBricks on Jan 4, 2023 20:48:45 GMT -5
According to our Warren Nolan team page, we're 5-6 with a NET of 240 after what I'll generously describe as a pedestrian non-conference schedule. We haven't even played a single Quadrant 1 game, and all 5 of our wins are Quadrant 4. Our best win at this point seems to be a single-digit win over UMBC, who own a NET of 215. We're predicted to lose all 20 of our Big East games, which would put us at a 40-game Big East losing streak, and the closest we'll supposedly get to a win is losing at 5 at home to DePaul. Yet, as crazy as it might sound, things could be worse. In major college basketball, Cal and Louisville are the two worst teams by a long shot. Louisville is 0-9, 360 NET out of 363 teams, with losses to schools like Bellarmine, Wright State, and App State. They're in a different situation though, with a new coach that they seem willing to give some time to work it out. With that said, and because I live in the Bay Area and have a friend who is a big Cal basketball fan, let's focus on the Golden Bears. Cal is 0-11 with a 349 NET after suffering an 82-58 home loss to Butler which only drew about 2,000 fans in their 12,000-seat on-campus arena on a Saturday night. They've also lost to teams like UC Davis, UC San Diego, Southern, Texas State, and Eastern Washington, with some of those games drawing in the 1K range. Head Coach Mark Fox is in his 4th year after a mixed but decent 14-year track record at Nevada and Georgia. Have to imagine he's on the hot seat now. Like Georgetown, Cal had a decent track record overall from 2008 to 2017, making 5 NCAA Tournaments (only winning 2 games) and 4 NITs in 10 years under Mike Montgomery and then Cuonzo Martin. The only year they missed the postseason entirely was in 2015. Their last NCAA appearance was in 2016, when as a 4-seed with future NBA star Jaylen Brown and future NBA bust Ivan Rabb on the team, they were upset by Hawaii in the first round. Unfortunately, I see a lot of similarities between the Cal and Georgetown programs at this point. While paling in comparison to Georgetown, Cal does possess a decent basketball history with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson. I hope both teams make the changes they need to make, but sadly, I might have more confidence in Cal to do the right thing, no matter how bad and embarrassing it gets for them this season, because they've at least shown a willingness to change in recent years and decades. For us, I see our Big East win ceiling at 4 this season (might be generous), and I could definitely see us starting next season 1-10 or 0-11 if we don't make changes. Anyways, just another terrible major conference team to keep an eye on that is in a similar situation to us. And with that, I'll stop slitting my wrists. The crux of your whole argument is that Cal is probably going to fix it. What makes Georgetown the worst team from a major conference isn't just that they suck, but that they don't care about fixing it. There will always be a lot of bad teams, but Georgetown's complacency with sucking, its playing a lot of money to suck, and its operations under a cloak of secrecy make it on an entirely different level. I also live in the Bay Area and have many friends who care deeply about Cal. Between their basketball and football programs... it's a mess. I'm not sure they figure out a way to fix either program. It seems their admin has moved on and doesn't really seem to care. Time will tell, but it's really sad to see schools like Cal and GU let things get so bad.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 5, 2023 19:39:16 GMT -5
It is amazing that FSU is that bad, given that they were pretty good not long ago and have strong coaching. Yeah that surprised me too. They were 4 points short of making the Final Four in 2018, and made Sweet 16 in 2019 and 2021. Last season they went 17-14 and 10-10 in ACC, but weren't invited to any postseason play. Leonard Hamilton is in his 21st season at the helm. Not sure exactly what caused them to go 2-9 in non-conference, losing early to pretty awful teams like Stetson and Troy. They seemed to put up a fight with #1 Purdue at home in late November, losing 79-69 at home. They only lost by 5 to #11 UVA in early December on the road. They're 2-2 in ACC, beating Notre Dame by 1 and blowing out the aforementioned awful L'ville (we can't even blow out UMBC or La Salle). Wonder if they'll turn it around over the course of ACC play. Oregon State is another interesting case, and currently knocking on the door of this year's Bottom Six from Power Six. After coming within 6 points of making the Final Four in their surprising 2021 Elite Eight run, they went 3-28 and 1-19 in Pac-12 play in 2022. They're now 6-7 and 1-2 in Pac-12 so far this season, with a NET of 221. Maybe I'll write more about them in a future post, especially since their miraculous 2021 Pac-12 Tournament title coincided with our Big East title run. Wayne Tinkle is in his 9th year there. L'ville and South Carolina have new coaches so they'll be given some time. Cal's coach Mark Fox, previously of Nevada and Georgia, is in his 3rd season. They did just beat a halfway decent Colorado team for their first Pac-12 win. That said, I'd imagine he's on the hot seat too, especially since they fired their previous coach, Wkying Jones, after only 2 seasons when he went 16-47. If Cal doesn't make some strides and win more Pac-12 games, I'd imagine he's gone by end of season too. If only we could be so lucky... I think Wayne Tinkle is a good coach (although he was aided substantially by the presence of his son). I'd do a coach exchange in a heartbeat.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 6, 2023 13:17:11 GMT -5
Updated Bottom 10 from Power Six Conferences in NET Rankings, heading into the weekend (out of 363 DI teams): 180. Notre Dame, 8-7, 0-4 ACC 196. DePaul, 7-9, 1-4 Big East 217. Boston College, 8-7, 2-2 ACC 226. Oregon State, 6-8, 1-3 Pac-12 237. Minnesota, 6-7, 0-3 Big Ten 244. Florida State, 4-11, 2-2 ACC 248. Georgetown, 5-11, 0-5 Big East252. South Carolina, 7-7, 0-1 SEC 288. California, 2-13, 1-3 Pac-12 346. Louisville, 2-13, 0-4 ACC The 11th worst team in NET rankings from Power Six conferences? Syracuse, #142, 10-5, 3-1 in ACC, but victim of 235rd in Non-Conference Strength of Schedule. So we've lost to 3 of the 11 worst teams from power conferences this year. With one more to go - Bottom 10 showdown January 24th at home vs. DePaul.
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